Republican Party = Christianity; why?

[aspen]

What's the connection? The false moral connection? The false Puritan work ethic? The economy based on fighting wars rather than living Christ's instruction of peace?

 

[lforrest]

I'll ignore your loaded questions and answer why Republicans are considered the Christian party as opposed to the Democratic party. Republicans chose to identify with Christians to appeal to the traditional family values among conservatives. The Democratic party has chosen to distance themselves from God because they wish to instill new moral values and are offended by God's standards.

Republican morals are tied with this country's Christian heritage. Republican morals do conflict with Christian ethics in many cases.

Work ethic stems from self reliance, because it is misguided to entrust your livelihood to the government.

Democrat presidents have started more wars than Republican presidents.

To outsource our christian duty to social programs is negligent.

 

[River Jordan]

It really picked up steam in the late 1970's and early 1980's with Jerry Falwell and the "moral majority" (I always liked the joke that the "moral majority" was neither). The GOP saw that as an opportunity to bolster their voting base, and it has continued to this day. Now we have a situation where fundamentalist Christianity and American Nationalism are very closely aligned. History shows that usually doesn't go well. But I think the larger trends in the US are definitely going against it, and what we're experiencing now is older, white evangelicals' last gasp/backlash against all the changes that are taking place. As baby boomers die off and the millennials become more politically active, this GOP-evangelical factor will weaken.

 

[StanJ]

I'll ignore your loaded questions and answer why Republicans are considered the Christian party as opposed to the Democratic party. Republicans chose to identify with Christians to appeal to the traditional family values among conservatives. The Democratic party has chosen to distance themselves from God because they wish to instill new moral values and are offended by God's standards.

Republican morals are tied with this country's Christian heritage. Republican morals do conflict with Christian ethics in many cases.

Work ethic stems from self reliance, because it is misguided to entrust your livelihood to the government.

Democrat presidents have started more wars than Republican presidents.

To outsource our christian duty to social programs is negligent.

WOW....now there's a Christian who can't separate his political ideologue from his personal faith, which is IMO, the common problem in the GOP.
In case you were NOT aware, Andrew Jackson was a Democrat and Christian.
As to who started wars, I suggest you check the facts. A republican was at the helm of the Civil War, which killed MANY Americans.
The fact is that Christians who look at either party as more Christian than the other are only fooling themselves and maybe any unschooled in their sphere of influence.

Politics and religion have ALWAYS been strange bedfellows and IMO, our Bible teaches us that nations are not saved, individual people are.

 

[pom2014]

No party in the states represents The King. They are all in total rebellion.

And no nation is Christian. Not even the states. They are all fallen, secular and rebellious.

The states have more common with moloch and baal than God.

 

[lforrest]

WOW....now there's a Christian who can't separate his political ideologue from his personal faith, which is IMO, the common problem in the GOP.
This is the way it should be right? If they are separate then one must be a facade.

In case you were NOT aware, Andrew Jackson was a Democrat and Christian.
Were you also aware that the Democratic party was originally in favor of smaller government? It bares little resemblance to the party of today.

As to who started wars, I suggest you check the facts. A republican was at the helm of the Civil War, which killed MANY Americans.
I did check my facts, and that statement was valid. You have given another statistic which, if true, supports the point I was trying to make. No political party has a monopoly on war.

The fact is that Christians who look at either party as more Christian than the other are only fooling themselves and maybe any unschooled in their sphere of influence.
If you were to weigh the political parties against each other in terms of how Christian they are, I'm sure the scales would tip in favor of the republican party. But if you were to compare them to God's standards, both would fail miserably.

Politics and religion have ALWAYS been strange bedfellows and IMO, our Bible teaches us that nations are not saved, individual people are.
Nations have been saved and destroyed according to God's will.

 

[JohnP]

With many Christians (including my family) it's about picking the lesser of two evils - which party aligns more closely with my moral beliefs? Generally speaking, Republicans are pro-life and against gay marriage, whereas Democrats are pro-choice and favor gay marriages. Those are just two examples, but it should give you the idea. No, not all Republicans are Christian and yes, there are Christian Democrats. To reiterate, generally speaking, many Christians (not all) feel that Republicans more often align to Christian values than do the Democrats.

 

[StanJ]

This is the way it should be right? If they are separate then one must be a facade.

Were you also aware that the Democratic party was originally in favor of smaller government? It bares little resemblance to the party of today.

I did check my facts, and that statement was valid. You have given another statistic which, if true, supports the point I was trying to make. No political party has a monopoly on war.

If you were to weigh the political parties against each other in terms of how Christian they are, I'm sure the scales would tip in favor of the republican party. But if you were to compare them to God's standards, both would fail miserably.

Nations have been saved and destroyed according to God's will.

You really should use the proper quote tools lforrest.

Jesus and the NT makes it very clear we are to render unto Cesar and unto God...that is two separate issues. It is not a façade to have a political ideologue and a personal faith and in fact the USA was founded on keeping the two separate, but apparently only when it suites some people.

Yes, and at that times the population was much smaller. That really isn't the point though is it?

This is true, but the way you framed it implied Democrats are war mongers. In any event I don't believe party association had anything to do with going to war.

Actions speak louder than words, so I agree that they all fail miserably but in terms of social responsibility, the record speaks for itself.

Maybe in the OT under the OC, but we are no longer under the OC, and the NC is directed at individual salvation, not national. I am not a big fan of this so-called "American Exceptionalism".

 

[aspen]

I'll ignore your loaded questions and answer why Republicans are considered the Christian party as opposed to the Democratic party. Republicans chose to identify with Christians to appeal to the traditional family values among conservatives. The Democratic party has chosen to distance themselves from God because they wish to instill new moral values and are offended by God's standards.

Republican morals are tied with this country's Christian heritage. Republican morals do conflict with Christian ethics in many cases.

Work ethic stems from self reliance, because it is misguided to entrust your livelihood to the government.

Democrat presidents have started more wars than Republican presidents.
You
To outsource our christian duty to social programs is negligent.

My questions.....loaded??? :)

In this case, my questions are load, but convey truth. I totally agree with RiverJordan - the moral majority movement started by overweight-yet-judgmental, Jerry Falwell is accurate and was calculated. The shocking thing for me is the reliance on the Puritan work ethic and the active shaming of people who did not meet the standards of their communities. So not Christian. We are called to help the downtrodden and oppressed - not compete with them until they are driven into the ground. We are supposed to be the Balm in response to the oppressors.....yet in America, we exalt the oppressors for achieving their position by stepping on the heads of the poor.....claiming it is more noble than royal birth......when will we learn?

 

[michaelvpardo]

A better question to ask is "why isn't the democratic party considered "Christian"? There may have been a time when some people would've thought so, but since politics is a science of manipulation and control and less concerned with truth than with power, it falls within the realm of the world system and "Christians" who align themselves with political parties will remain suspect to all those who have taken to heart the message of scripture and of faith: 13. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14. For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. Hebrews 11:13-14

From the founding of our nation there has always been among us and in positions of power those who believe that God is building a kingdom on this earth through "illumination" and "enlightenment" that will unite all peoples in peace and harmony, but these have worked with carnal minds and by carnal means to build a cheap counterfeit of the promises of God according to their own darkened vision and warped understanding. They were and are the builders of Babylon, welcoming all to accept the lowest common denominator in their system of spiritual beliefs. They have embraced Christianity, but without Christ, seeing Him who died for us as no more than a means to their ends. They create laws but see themselves as above them, but, like Belshazzar, who treated the consecrated things of the temple as though they were common, their days are numbered and judgment waits at the threshold of the door. The temple of our God is a people and who is it that usurps His place?

 

[pom2014]

When a Christian chooses the lesser of two evils, he still chooses evil.

Choose evil and you're a traitor to the King.

 

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What's the connection? The false moral connection? The false Puritan work ethic? The economy based on fighting wars rather than living Christ's instruction of peace?

The connection between the Republican party and the Christian ethic began in earnest with Pat Robertson's run for president in 1986.

In the 1980's the TV preacher, always suspect in his rantings, decided to run for president. River Jordan came close when he stated the 'moral majority' founded by Jerry Falwell, another man who often put his foot in his own mouth, provided the organizational foundation for the political effort. In an of itself a call for morality is not a bad idea, but when coupled with political ambition it can be a source of corruption.

In 1986 Robertson announced his candidacy for president and said he'd seek the Republican nomination. The fact that his father had been a senator no doubt had a great effect upon his decision. But George HW Bush had support greatly superior to Robertson's and clinched the nomination. During the 1988 convention, Robertson asked his supporters to vote for Bush. The rest, as they say, is history. From that time to this evangelical Christians have been linked, at least in the minds of the media and politically inept preachers, to the Republicans. Its a dangerous alliance.

During the presidency of George HW Bush, the United States goaded Saddam Hussein into an invasion of Kuwait thus justifying liberation of that nation of opportunistic thieves (Kuwait) in the eyes of the world and setting the stage for greater military action against Iraq in the years that followed. Evangelical Christians followed the Republican lead, waving their flags and justifying national propaganda in the name of the Lord, but denied any and all accusations of war crimes many of which stand to this day. It was all a political farce and evangelicals were the dupes in the middle of it all.

During the Viet Nam conflict many Christians supported the anti-war movement. They were labeled communistic liberals and denounced by war mongers from left and right. In the end their position saved many lives and several nations including our own. Today the political pendulum has swing the other way and those who believe themselves conservative are actually supporting the political adventures of a fascist police state.

"In any election, the only real winner is the government."
- Mark Twain

The political environment in America has changed radically since 1986 when Pat Robertson coveted the occupancy of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Today the Republicans and Democrats are essentially two heads of the same snake. That's why the political campaigns sound so much alike. The only difference is in the tone of the mudslinging, an American tradition that hearkens back to the Revolution. Every president in modern times has made promises that have been broken and nearly every politician of lower office does the same. Not all are corrupt, but those that are - make efforts at reform nearly impossible by those who are not. As of this day, the policies of the United States are in violation not only of international law and human morality but of the precepts of the Bible - God's Holy Word. Neither nations nor man shall commit murder or go to war for the sake of profit. But America has done so, over and over and over again.

IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft....

StanJ - Your generic statement that individuals are saved and not nations is in error. The Bible specifically states that Israel and Egypt would be saved as nations.

There are also those that mistakenly corrupt the admonishment of Christ to 'render unto Caesar'. It should be remembered that Jesus paid His taxes and obeyed the law of the land. At no point in time did He volunteer for service in the Roman army, utter a pledge of allegiance/oath of loyalty to Caesar, or express the notion that Roman soldiers were heroes and deserving of support. The difference between civil obedience and worship of a debauched and wicked government ought to be obvious to anyone - except the nationalistic fanatic who justifies murder and violence in the name of religion.

 

[StanJ]

IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft....

StanJ - Your generic statement that individuals are saved and not nations is in error. The Bible specifically states that Israel and Egypt would be saved as nations.

There are also those that mistakenly corrupt the admonishment of Christ to 'render unto Caesar'. It should be remembered that Jesus paid His taxes and obeyed the law of the land. At no point in time did He volunteer for service in the Roman army, utter a pledge of allegiance/oath of loyalty to Caesar, or express the notion that Roman soldiers were heroes and deserving of support. The difference between civil obedience and worship of a debauched and wicked government ought to be obvious to anyone - except the nationalistic fanatic who justifies murder and violence in the name of religion.

God is NOT subject to human rational or reasoning...He does what He deigns to do, and does not have to apologize for anything.

You'll have to qualify your statement rjp. I know about God's promises to Israel, but those are still bound under the NC. I have no idea what you refer to about Egypt.

That is the point that Jesus was making. To obey the government, and Paul reiterated this position. Where exactly does the Bible teach that nations are saved?
I don't believe any Christian of sound mind has a problem being a good citizen AND Christian. I also am not a big fan of "American Exceptionalism".
Salvation IS personal rjp, and this is exactly what the Bible teaches.

 

[JimParker]

Who really thinks that the Republican party represents Christianity?

That's the propaganda of the Democrats who hate Christianity because it actually has absolute moral standards and want's to paint the Republicans as hypocrites because they don't live up to the Christian standards that the Democrats say they hold.

The Republicans are the shills for the Democrats. They entertain conservatives by pretending to be the opposition party even though they cave in to every thing the People's Socialist Demokrat Partai wants.

They could have defunded Obamacare like they sid they would. They funed it.

They could have defunded Obama's illegal, unconstitutional amnesty. They funded it.

They could have held the line on Harry Reid's government shutdown that they were taking the blame for. They gave him everything he wanted.

The Republican party is a political party in a republican government "of the people, by the people, for the people" founded in rebellion ich is as the sin of witchcraft, according to the Bible.

Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. Bend your knee or go to hell.

The two forms of government have no overlap. One is run by professional political whores; the opther is run by God.

The Republican Party is not in any manner equivalent to Christianity. The idea is total nonsense. (The kind of sense the Democrats thrive on.)

 

[JimParker]

There is no such equality.

Political parties are formed for the purpose of gaining power for the leaders of the party.

There may be some real, live, Christians among the Republicans who have been elected to office, but, that is an individual issue that does not translate to the entire party.

The Republicans do appear to be more Christian than the Democrats because the Democrats are committed to the continued murder of infants by abortion at a rate of over a million a year and they also totally support the legitimizing of sexual perversion.

But just because the Democratic party look less Christian, it doesn't mean that Republican party actually is Christian.

Neither party is going to bring in the millennial reign of Christ.

 

[Axehead]

Who really thinks that the Republican party represents Christianity?

That's the propaganda of the Democrats who hate Christianity because it actually has absolute moral standards and want's to paint the Republicans as hypocrites because they don't live up to the Christian standards that the Democrats say they hold.

The Republicans are the shills for the Democrats. They entertain conservatives by pretending to be the opposition party even though they cave in to every thing the People's Socialist Demokrat Partai wants.

They could have defunded Obamacare like they sid they would. They funed it.

They could have defunded Obama's illegal, unconstitutional amnesty. They funded it.

They could have held the line on Harry Reid's government shutdown that they were taking the blame for. They gave him everything he wanted.

The Republican party is a political party in a republican government "of the people, by the people, for the people" founded in rebellion ich is as the sin of witchcraft, according to the Bible.

Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. Bend your knee or go to hell.

The two forms of government have no overlap. One is run by professional political whores; the opther is run by God.

The Republican Party is not in any manner equivalent to Christianity. The idea is total nonsense. (The kind of sense the Democrats thrive on.)

Very fair and unbiased assessment.

There is no such equality.

Political parties are formed for the purpose of gaining power for the leaders of the party.

There may be some real, live, Christians among the Republicans who have been elected to office, but, that is an individual issue that does not translate to the entire party.

The Republicans do appear to be more Christian than the Democrats because the Democrats are committed to the continued murder of infants by abortion at a rate of over a million a year and they also totally support the legitimizing of sexual perversion.

But just because the Democratic party look less Christian, it doesn't mean that Republican party actually is Christian.

Neither party is going to bring in the millennial reign of Christ.

I have not met anyone that thinks Republican = Christianity.

I know Christians that are much less comfortable with the Democratic agenda than the Republican one, although the Republicans for some reason seem to be working hard to push Christians away.

 

[JimParker]

Very fair and unbiased assessment.


I have not met anyone that thinks Republican = Christianity.

I know Christians that are much less comfortable with the Democratic agenda than the Republican one, although the Republicans for some reason seem to be working hard to push Christians away.

<< Republicans for some reason seem to be working hard to push Christians away. >>

People are becoming aware that they only pretend to be the opposition party. They consistently cave in to whatever the Dems want and fund it.

 

[StanJ]

I have not met anyone that thinks Republican = Christianity.

I know Christians that are much less comfortable with the Democratic agenda than the Republican one, although the Republicans for some reason seem to be working hard to push Christians away.

Well it may not be this way, but many Christians think their only political choice is to be Republican. The two parties are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. Informed choice is how you attach yourself to a political party. As for the lesser of two evils, we do it every day.

 

[Axehead]

Well it may not be this way, but many Christians think their only political choice is to be Republican. The two parties are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. Informed choice is how you attach yourself to a political party. As for the lesser of two evils, we do it every day.

They do have another option and many are availing themselves of it: Independent

<< Republicans for some reason seem to be working hard to push Christians away. >>

People are becoming aware that they only pretend to be the opposition party. They consistently cave in to whatever the Dems want and fund it.

Yes, I would agree with that and add "painfully aware". "Painfully", because of the track record of betrayal they are establishing with their base.

 

[StanJ]

They do have another option and many are availing themselves of it: Independent

Well as the current caucus only has 2 Independents who have caucused with the Democrats, I don't believe that is a very accurate assessment. As 98.25% of qualified Americans voted for either Republican or Democrat in the last election, I'd have to say the 1.75% of qualified Americans who voted for others in that election, is NOT many.