Trump Moving Too Fast?

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Everything posted in the last two posts has nothing today with tariffs.
Just a lot of bashing on foreign nations.
But that was to be suspected by people worshipping their idol in the White House.

The only time things will change is when Trump becomes born again, and bows down to the creator.
As long as that does not happen the American empire is finished under his rule.

Don't be mistaken, he is a dictator who gathered a bunch of yes and amen people around him.
An evil group of people, they surely cannot stand each other as is shown by the cracks showing within the group.

It will not last and ends in chaos.
The Lord saved his life! God appointed Trump and is guiding him for a purpose. His Big Picture is what you are ignorant of.
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those that exist are ordained by God." Romans 13:1


FYI
On Dec 21, 2021 @ First Baptist Church in Dallas Trump said:

'Jesus Christ forever changed the world': Trump tells megachurch the US 'needs a Savior - and it's not me'​

The 45th President addressed the 4,000 strong crowd at First Baptist Church, Dallas on 19th December.
Speaking as part of the church's Christmas worship service, Trump said:

"More than 2,000 years ago, an angel of the Lord appeared to humble shepherds and proclaimed the reason for our Christmas joy. For unto you is born this day in the City of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
"Our country needs a Savior right now. And our country has a Savior - and it's not me," he continued.
"That's somebody else much higher up than me. Much higher."
Trump went on credit key moments in history to the Church and Jesus' example:
"The life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ forever changed the world," he declared.
"And it's impossible to think of the life of our own country without the influence of His example and of His teachings.
"Our miraculous founding, overcoming civil war, abolishing slavery, defeating communism and fascism, reaching boundless heights of science and discovery, so many incredible things.
"None of this could have ever happened without Jesus Christ and his followers and his Church. None of it.
"And we have to remember that Jesus Christ is the ultimate source of our strength and of our hope and here and everywhere and for all time."
 
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Let me start this thread by saying I have always been a Trump supporter where most of his policies were concerned, and I am completely behind things like DOGE and the dismantling of the DEI. But is he making the right move slapping a 25% tariff on foreign made cars and parts? The idea is to make things tougher on foreign producers while rekindling the American automobile industry again. But will it pay off, or will this go down as the one big move Trump made early on that came back to bite Americans really hard? I had a friend who receives prophetic dreams send me word about a month ago that the Lord spoke to him early one morning and said, "Trump is burning America." I just said, "Hmm... Let's hope that means in a good way," but inside I was thinking, "But it doesn't sound like it." Now that I am seeing how fast he is moving on plans like the tariff deal, I'm wondering if it is. As the old saying goes, sometimes good intentions can pave the way to Hell.

Open to opinions of all varieties, but I will state the case of just how destructive this move could actually end up being. And please keep in mind this is not a politically-motivated discussion. I support the man personally, but I never support any human being blindly, nor do I ever just go along with the status quo. Everyone on board the Titanic was convinced they were unsinkable until they started taking on water. I state my biggest concern with the whole thing in Post #3.

Blessings in Christ, and thanks for reading.
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My perspective as a Trump supporter. I don't believe he can afford not to go fast. He has only 1 term and 2 years until the midterms. That's a very short window. The goal is to move us to a more advantageous position, which necessitates a little short-term pain for long-term gain. But most people don't like any discomfort, even if it's for their own good. This tariff war we are in now won't last forever, and when all is said and done, I believe we will be better off. Tariffs were the way the government funded itself before income tax, and I think Trump is moving us in that direction again.
 

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My perspective as a Trump supporter. I don't believe he can afford not to go fast. He has only 1 term and 2 years until the midterms. That's a very short window. The goal is to move us to a more advantageous position, which necessitates a little short-term pain for long-term gain. But most people don't like any discomfort, even if it's for their own good. This tariff war we are in now won't last forever, and when all is said and done, I believe we will be better off. Tariffs were the way the government funded itself before income tax, and I think Trump is moving us in that direction again.

I understand, and I certainly hope that's the way it goes as well. :gd

Blessings on Christ, Jericho.
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Trump must have listened to Bill Ackerman and Elon Musk, the tariffs are paused for 90 days and the stock market is soaring up.
I think Trump meant these tarrifs to be a call to come to the table, and those that respond, he'll make a deal with them that will be more equitable for us. It's what he does.

Much love!
 
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Trump has allowed Nvidia's H20 AI chips to continue to be sold to China.
Their CEO met Trump for dinner to lobby for that saying we need to keep AI technologies development centered around US companies as in American excellence and expertise in high technology development must be allowed to grow unhindered, as if China sales were restricted, they would be developing advanced chips themselves and hurting American AI companies. Plus, promised Datacenter development in the USA, which I am sure they are happy to do.

And I think that restriction was placed by Biden.
The Trump administration has reversed course on plans to restrict exports of Nvidia's H20 artificial intelligence chips to China after CEO Jensen Huang attended a Mar-a-Lago dinner last week, NPR reported on Wednesday.

The planned American export controls on the chips — the most advanced AI processor legally available in China under U.S. export controls — had been in the works for months, NPR reported, citing two sources, and were ready to be implemented as soon as this week.


The change in plans came after Nvidia promised the Trump administration new U.S. investments in AI data centers, the NPR report said.
 

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Trump tariffs live updates: Trump raises rate on China to 125%, pauses 'reciprocal' tariffs on other countries.
China must be really mad.

Trump must have listened to Bill Ackerman and Elon Musk, the tariffs are paused for 90 days and the stock market is soaring up.


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Probably recognized that China was declaring trade war, and potentially would begin work on establishing greater trade relations with the other countries we are increasing tariffs on, so he is switching gears to focus on enemy #1.

I haven't had time to confirm yet, but this would be good news if true. :gd
 

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Probably recognized that China was declaring trade war, and potentially would begin work on establishing greater trade relations with the other countries we are increasing tariffs on, so he is switching gears to focus on enemy #1.

I haven't had time to confirm yet, but this would be good news if true. :gd
China does seem to be the only real competitor of the US
 
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I think a reason for the pause is to reconfigure the tariff response. I have read from economist they used the wrong data to come up with those tariff numbers. And will be also allowing time for negotiations with other countries over trade. It's good to get a breather on this. I really have been worried it would cost Republicans too much. I know they are all somewhat bad, but one party is much better than the other.
 
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(Reuters) - The World Trade Organization on Wednesday estimated the U.S.- China trade tensions could cut the trade of goods between two economies by as much as 80%.

"This tit-for-tat approach between the world’s two largest economies, which together account for roughly 3% of global trade, carries wider implications that could severely damage the global economic outlook," it said.

Dividing the global economy into two blocs in this way could lead to a long-term reduction in global real GDP by nearly 7%, the statement added.

Its preliminary estimate was issued around the time U.S. President Donald Trump further raised tariffs on imports from China but paused some others for 90 days.

(Reporting by Urvi Dugar; Editing by Alison Williams)
 

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(Reuters) - The World Trade Organization on Wednesday estimated the U.S.- China trade tensions could cut the trade of goods between two economies by as much as 80%.

"This tit-for-tat approach between the world’s two largest economies, which together account for roughly 3% of global trade, carries wider implications that could severely damage the global economic outlook," it said.

Dividing the global economy into two blocs in this way could lead to a long-term reduction in global real GDP by nearly 7%, the statement added.

Its preliminary estimate was issued around the time U.S. President Donald Trump further raised tariffs on imports from China but paused some others for 90 days.

(Reporting by Urvi Dugar; Editing by Alison Williams)
No other country in the world is like the USA market. China wants to be, but if we restrict or they restrict, Chinese workers are out of a job and weak sales will drive the Chinese economy down and China knows it. It is still dependent on the USA, while hating the USA. Another country cannot make up the trade of the USA. However, the USA can source from other countries and not be dependent on China. How many printed in China bibles do you own. The USA has printers, but China was cheaper. The same with most books. Wayfair sells cheap Chinese furniture. China sells on Amazon too. Too many people are looking for cheap instead of quality.
 

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No other country in the world is like the USA market. China wants to be, but if we restrict or they restrict, Chinese workers are out of a job and weak sales will drive the Chinese economy down and China knows it. It is still dependent on the USA, while hating the USA. Another country cannot make up the trade of the USA. However, the USA can source from other countries and not be dependent on China. How many printed in China bibles do you own. The USA has printers, but China was cheaper. The same with most books. Wayfair sells cheap Chinese furniture. China sells on Amazon too. Too many people are looking for cheap instead of quality.
If China would just agree to drop tariffs against US products, this could be resolved quickly.
China has some large tariffs, and they just made them larger. Yes, it's a China - US trade war. And China needs US buyers, while we also need China to keep buying our debt. This can still hurt us too.
 

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This dog and pony show that both sides put their hopes into , Will be their own destruction .
WHEN o when , O WHEN will the people see
and learn , WE SHOULD HAVE stayed in the bible
we should not have hoped in men but ONLY IN THE CHRIST OF GOD and learned that bible well .
Its time for all to abandon the false hope of a false love interfaith inclusive message
that will save none and only USHER IN THE WRATH OF GOD upon them all .
ITS JESUS preaching TIME , ITS BIBLE DOCRINE TIME
and watch out cause most churches are now infected with what they see as light and think is love
ONLY ITS DARKNESS and its love is of the world .
If you are American you know of the separation of powers clause in our Constitution. And that America is a Republic, not a Theocracy.

Furthermore,you'd know the Bible tells us those put in leadership positions are God's choice.

Therefore,condemning those offices of power we pray attention to is tantamount to questioning God's will and plans for America. And because of our national influence,the world.

By the way. In world history there was a time when the church worked in concert with leadership. It was a nightmare.

For a contemporary example of this politico-religious governance,look to Iran. Where the Islamic, God's law Sharia, rules.

We condemn,as example Gays having certain rights in America? They're abomination according to our Father. Sinners.

According to the religious rule in Iran? They do not live there.
Because that abomination guarantees they are thrown off the highest roof. Or,are burned alive.

It's easy to say,"to the trenches", when safely ensconced in America. It's easy to say,our government should live and operate through the scriptures when it is not so. And our Federal contract with we the people insured that cannot be so.

It's easy to imagine an America ruled under God's laws would be ideal. When one is unaware of European and early American history where this did occur.
Absent that knowledge of ancient history, it's easy to imagine a God's law America would be glorious today and bring the change we crave.

That's because of hasn't read the whole of the Old Testament where a people were ruled that way.

It was a nightmare.

And a conundrum now when there are Christians who insist, God's law has been done away with.

America was founded as the great experiment.

It isn't over.

It's just a bumpy ride right now.
Faith?
One nation under God.....

Have the faith to hold on.
It can only get better.

If God sees fit.

Now,is when faith is tested.
Pass the test.
 

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Name them.
Don't just repeat what the White House tells you.
Don't repeat lies without checking if it is the truth.
Heres a few:




PBS is no friend of Trump and they did not call it a lie. If you jhave evidence it is a lie- show it.


About 18 nations (45 if you count each EU nation seperately) are in active negotiations, and moreare calling to begin talks.
 
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Trade balance is like that because the trade unions wanted more and more benefits, higher wages, etc etc .
The rich excutives want to be richer as well.
The North American factories have worked themselves out of the market.

Others do it at lower cost.
People buy lower cost products and better made products.
It's that simple.


That's why YOU and YOUR NEIGHBOURS buy foreign made products.
Because YOU were ALL greedy and now it backfires.

Thats why you see many foreign made cars on the roads, the American vehicles are junk and too expensive.
Thats why you all have to finance your vehicles and make the local rich richer.

And on it goes, till the system collapses.
And Trump makes thing worse with his lies and false promises.

Thats why he has YES and AMEN people in his cabinet.
Actually it was globalization more so than just increased wages in America and out of control CEO salaries. We gave manufacturing away to Asia. We could have kept it and made great money, but it was Americans.

I drive an American made Hyundai!
 

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Heres a few:




PBS is no friend of Trump and they did not call it a lie. If you jhave evidence it is a lie- show it.


About 18 nations (45 if you count each EU nation seperately) are in active negotiations, and moreare calling to begin talks.
I have read most all tariffed nations called, have not yet heard back and are inline waiting for negotiations. Trump pulling back the tariffs was a very good decision to give time to negotiate.
 

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NEW YORK (AP) — Stocks surged to one of their biggest gains since World War II after President Donald Trump paused his tariffs against most other nations, as investors had desperately hoped he would. The S&P 500 soared 9.5% Wednesday. The index is still below where it was when Trump announced his sweeping set of tariffs last week. The Dow Jones Industrial Average flew nearly 3,000 points higher, and the Nasdaq composite jumped 12.2%. Trump, though, did raise tariffs further on China. Treasury yields gave back some of their big market-rattling gains following Trump’s pause on most tariffs.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.
NEW YORK (AP) — U.S. stocks are soaring on a euphoric Wall Street Wednesday after President Donald Trump said he would back off on most of his tariffs temporarily, as investors had so desperately hoped he would.
The S&P 500 was up 8.3% with less than an hour remaining in trading, heading toward one of its best days in decades. It had been sinking earlier in the day amid worries about whether Trump's trade war would drag the global economy into a recession. But then came the posting on social media that investors worldwide had been waiting and wishing for.

“I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE,” Trump said, after recognizing the more than 75 countries that he said have been negotiating on trade and had not retaliated against his latest increases in tariffs.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent later told reporters that Trump was pausing his so-called ‘reciprocal’ tariffs on most of the country’s biggest trading partners, but maintaining his 10% tariff on nearly all global imports. China was a huge exception, with tariffs going up to 125% against its products.


The Dow Jones Industrial Average shot up to a gain of 2,640 points, or 7%, after erasing an earlier loss of nearly 370 points. The Nasdaq composite was 10.3% higher after earlier climbing as much as 11%, a gain that would count as a good year for the broad stock market.
The relief came for Wall Street after doubts had crept in about whether Trump cared about the financial pain the U.S. stock market was taking because of his tariffs. The S&P 500, the index that sits at the center of many 401(k) accounts, came into the day nearly 19% below its record set less than two months ago.
That came as a surprise to many professional investors, who had long thought that a president who used to crow about records for the Dow under his watch would pull back on policies if they sent markets reeling.
Wednesday's rally pulled the S&P 500 index away from the edge of what’s called a “bear market.” That's what professionals call it when a run-of-the-mill drop of 10% for U.S. stocks, which happens every year or so, graduates into a more vicious fall of 20%. The index is now down less than 13% from its record.

Wall Street also got a boost from a relatively smooth auction of U.S. Treasurys in the bond market Wednesday. Earlier jumps in Treasury yields had rattled the market sharply, indicating increasing levels of stress.

Analysts say several reasons could be behind the rise, including hedge funds and other investors having to sell their Treasury bonds to raise cash in order to make up for losses in the stock market. Investors outside the United States may also be selling their U.S. Treasurys because of the trade war. Such actions would push down prices for Treasurys, which in turn would push up their yields.


Regardless of the reasons behind it, higher yields on Treasurys add pressure on the stock market and push upward on rates for mortgages and other loans for U.S. households and businesses.

The moves are particularly notable because U.S. Treasury yields have historically dropped — not risen — during scary times for the market because the bonds are usually seen as some of the safest possible investments. This week's sharp rise had brought the yield on the 10-year Treasury back to where it was in late February.

After approaching 4.50% in the morning, the 10-year yield pulled back to 4.37% following Trump's pause and the Treasury's auction. That's still up from 4.26% late Tuesday and from just 4.01% at the end of last week.

Of course, the trade war is not over. Bessent and Trump clearly showed their anger at China, the world's second-largest economy, which has been ratcheting up its own tariffs on U.S. goods and announcing other countermeasures with each move Trump has made.


China earlier said it would raise tariffs on U.S. goods to 84% on Thursday. “If the U.S. insists on further escalating its economic and trade restrictions, China has the firm will and abundant means to take necessary countermeasures and fight to the end” the Ministry of Commerce said.

Later the U.S. Treasury secretary said in a message to countries worldwide, but perhaps most directly aimed at China, “Do not retaliate, and you will be rewarded.”

On Wall Street, the gains were widespread across the U.S. stock market, and 98% of the stocks in the S&P 500 index rallied.

Leading the way were airlines and other stocks that need customers feeling confident enough to travel for work or for vacation.

Delta Air Lines soared 20.2%. Earlier in the day, it had pulled financial forecasts for 2025 as the trade war scrambles expectations for business and household spending and depresses bookings across the travel sector.

In stock markets abroad, indexes tumbled across most of Europe and much of Asia after they closed before Trump's announcement.

London’s FTSE 100 dropped 2.9%, Tokyo’s Nikkei 225 sank 3.9% and the CAC 40 fell 3.3% in Paris. Chinese stocks were an outlier, and indexes rose 0.7% in Hong Kong and 1.3% in Shanghai.

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AP Business Writers Matt Ott and Elaine Kurtenbach contributed.

Stan Choe, The Associated Press