WHO GETS THE HOUSE?

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I was going to post this under WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM but decided the input of the men here would be good too.

I have a friend that has been married over 25 years. Her husband decided he wants to quit the marriage - we don't know why...I don't think there's anyone else involved and neither does my friend.

They own a home in both names. They have no children.
Just today he took her off the medical insurance policy without even warning her.

He was having depression problems (which required care at a structure at times) so she left her office job and stayed home to keep the home and help him.

I'm sure it's more complicated than this...

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Who do you think should leave the home?

My belief is that the person that wants to terminate the marriage is the person who should remove himself/herself from the home.
He's saying SHE has to leave.

Any thoughts? (maybe I'm just old-fashioned).
 
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For me the question that should be answered is, "What triggers were involved in the husband reaching his decision?"
 
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The si please answer is if he will not go to marriage counselling, issell the house and what's in it split the cash equally and go their separate ways.
 

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I was going to post this under WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM but decided the input of the men here would be good too.

I have a friend that has been married over 25 years. Her husband decided he wants to quit the marriage - we don't know why...I don't think there's anyone else involved and neither does my friend.

They own a home in both names. They have no children.
Just today he took her off the medical insurance policy without even warning her.

He was having depression problems (which required care at a structure at times) so she left her office job and stayed home to keep the home and help him.

I'm sure it's more complicated than this...

but

Who do you think should leave the home?

My belief is that the person that wants to terminate the marriage is the person who should remove himself/herself from the home.
He's saying SHE has to leave.

Any thoughts? (maybe I'm just old-fashioned).

I hope she has a good lawyer to advise her so she doesn't get taken advantage of.

About your particular question on the home....most people in divorces sell the home and split the proceeds.

It would be good if he would be willing to go to counseling with her to try to save the marriage.
 

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Thank you for your interesting post.

”Honey, this marriage isn’t working for me. The sooner you pack and leave the better.”

Chutzpah on steroids.

Blessings.
 

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If the home is in both of there names then it should be sold and each get half - surely that is the fairest way. When my marriage ended we still had two children at home , the other two were adults. We didn’t own the home but my husband never ever presumed that he should remain in the house.
Others with children have still chosen to sell the home and split the difference
 

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For me the question that should be answered is, "What triggers were involved in the husband reaching his decision?"
Hi Jay Ross
Who can know for sure?
Each side will have their own story and only they will ever know the details.

What I DO know for sure is that it's the husband that wants to dissolve the marriage and the wife (my friend) SEEMS to be a "good" wife..whatever that means to each one of us individually. It may not mean the same to each of us.

I think my point is that I believe that the person that wants to dissolve the marriage should be the one to leave the home.
Is this wrong? I don't think so.
 

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The si please answer is if he will not go to marriage counselling, issell the house and what's in it split the cash equally and go their separate ways.
It's beyond marriage counselling.
He goes to counselling anyway for the manic depression...
He actually, right now, won't go anymore.
 
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I hope she has a good lawyer to advise her so she doesn't get taken advantage of.

About your particular question on the home....most people in divorces sell the home and split the proceeds.

It would be good if he would be willing to go to counseling with her to try to save the marriage.
I told her to try another lawyer...this one seems too compliant to what the husband wants.
Selling the home and splitting...yes...others have said this.
You know what they say: A house is not a home.
But, yes, that may have to be the solution....I doubt she could buy her half since she's been home practically all her life.

I have 14 families in my immediate vicinity/neighborhood. 4 of them are divorced.
This one is "very close to home" and it saddens me deeply.

My personal belief is that HE should leave the home....I don't know why she has to pay for his bad decision.

So even when it SEEMS like a couple is getting along well, there still might be something rotten going on.
And see my post no. 9
 

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If the home is in both of there names then it should be sold and each get half - surely that is the fairest way. When my marriage ended we still had two children at home , the other two were adults. We didn’t own the home but my husband never ever presumed that he should remain in the house.
Others with children have still chosen to sell the home and split the difference
When there are small children I think what your husband did was the correctly moral action to take.
Our society is in such a mess...even here divorce is growing every year.
The young don't even want to get married anymore...
 

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Thank you for your interesting post.

”Honey, this marriage isn’t working for me. The sooner you pack and leave the better.”

Chutzpah on steroids.

Blessings.
Yes! THIS is exactly how I feel !
One sentence but perfectly stated.
 

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I was going to post this under WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM but decided the input of the men here would be good too.

I have a friend that has been married over 25 years. Her husband decided he wants to quit the marriage - we don't know why...I don't think there's anyone else involved and neither does my friend.

They own a home in both names. They have no children.
Just today he took her off the medical insurance policy without even warning her.

He was having depression problems (which required care at a structure at times) so she left her office job and stayed home to keep the home and help him.

I'm sure it's more complicated than this...

but

Who do you think should leave the home?

My belief is that the person that wants to terminate the marriage is the person who should remove himself/herself from the home.
He's saying SHE has to leave.

Any thoughts? (maybe I'm just old-fashioned).
Agree they should sell and split the house. I don’t know how he could remove her from his insurance just because he wanted to. She is still his wife until the divorce. I think they have to be separate for a year to even get the divorce? That (the insurance dropping thing) makes me think he’ll expect her to leave the house. Who lives in the house now? She shouldn’t leave just because he tells her to. She should go seek counsel from an attorney …him dropping her from his insurance without warning is skeptical. I don’t think he can do that just because he feels like it. especially if they are older and she has no job, no way to provided insurance for herself.
 
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Agree they should sell and split the house.
Yes, most here are saying this.
I don't agree...but that's my personal opinion.

I don’t know how he could remove her from his insurance just because he wanted to. She is still his wife until the divorce.
This shows how callous he's become...he cares nothing for her or her well-being.
Apparently he could remove her because she was in tears yesterday when she found out.
What if something happens to her TODAY??
It's terrible.
I can't speak to any of my friends because we all know each other and no one else knows.
So grateful for this forum and those that are responding.

I think they have to be separate for a year to even get the divorce?
You're right. In Italy it used to be THREE years! It's been changed to one...which is also a lot.
They do it to make the couple think and assure that they're doing the right thing.
In the meantime their life is in shambles.
In Germany it's a year.

That (the insurance dropping thing) makes me think he’ll expect her to leave the house. Who lives in the house now?
Right now they're both living in the house - although at this moment he went away for 2 weeks on vacation.
He leaves her letters....
It's sick.
She shouldn’t leave just because he tells her to. She should go seek counsel from an attorney …
ha! Her atty told her to move out. I told her to try a different atty. We'll see.
And where is she supposed to move to with no income??
Looking back she feels she should have continued working and leave him to his depression problems.
Hindsight....
him dropping her from his insurance without warning is skeptical. I don’t think he can do that just because he feels like it. especially if they are older and she has no job, no way to provided insurance for herself.
In their 50's. He did it.
What a mess divorce causes.
 

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When there are small children I think what your husband did was the correctly moral action to take.
Our society is in such a mess...even here divorce is growing every year.
The young don't even want to get married anymore...
Not sure it was a moral action on his part, I simply told him I didn’t want him back and he did not contest it ( he was seeing someone else at the time - so his morals were a bit off !! lol )
My two younger children were teenagers at the time.
I have children ranging from 30- 44 years and three of them are married , my youngest doesnt see the point, but he suffers with agoraphobia so I doubt it will be an issue he will have to think about…..
 

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My divorce only took a year - whether that was because of the affair or not I don’t know, but I was surprised.
 
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This shows how callous he's become...he cares nothing for her or her well-being.
Apparently he could remove her because she was in tears yesterday when she found out.
What if something happens to her TODAY??
It's terrible.
I can't speak to any of my friends because we all know each other and no one else knows.
So grateful for this forum and those that are responding.
Where is he getting his information from?
Dang now I’m disturbed for her. It sounds like when he is done, he is done. Your friend has to be extremely hurt. I mean how can you be married and not at least come away caring for the other persons well being. That is why my input is for them to sale and split. Considering him also but it doesn’t sound like he is considering anyone but himself. And if he is telling her he gets the house and she is in tears…sounds like he is trying to force her out. Or at least manipulate her out.

How long have they been married? Not that it’s any of my business. You don’t have to tell us. But I think it has a lot to do with it. Is the house a house he owned prior to marriage and they haven’t been married long, and he is hearing that the house he brought into the marriage is still his? Or have they been married and all they have built-acquired- they have done it together? Even if she stayed home, her supporting him so they could acquire this home through years of commitment to this marriage?
ha! Her atty told her to move out. I told her to try a different atty. We'll see.
And where is she supposed to move to with no income??
Looking back she feels she should have continued working and leave him to his depression problems.
Hindsight....
I’d advise her to get a different attorney also. I don’t know their history though. It doesn’t sound right, the attorney telling her to move. I don’t know his reasoning though. Once she moves she is setting the standard that he lives in the house, and she does not. I have a friend who went through a divorce. Even the insurance thing…her attorney said anything that has been the norm the courts take into consideration. For example, if the norm has been his providing her insurance …then the courts look at continuing the norm at least until she gets on her feet and is able to afford her own. He may think it’s his right to pull the plug. Even if she goes to file for Medicaid…they will most likely deny her because her husband work offers insurance, which he cold heartedly discontinued just because he felt like it. Even if she is largely the problem (I don’t know them), still it says a lot that he just cuts her medical insurance.

Same with the house…if she moves before the time they file and finalize the divorce. He can say she abandoned the house and left of her own accord. He could also swing it that she initially abandoned the marriage first, by her leaving the house and him in it. As a friend, I would urge to not do anything. Let him leave since he is the one vacating the marriage. Then when the divorce is final, maybe then they can talk about what happens with the home. That is all just my opinion though. I’m no attorney. You are a good friend though to help and support her. I understand you are not trying to stick yourself in her business, but being a friend to someone who probably can’t make clear decisions being so much in it. someone outside of the marriage, like you, at least can help her think straight in the collapse of her life. I don’t think that is wrong, but needful. Someone told me (someone who talks me down off the ledge during a panic attack): it’s hard for someone in the middle of the storm to see straight, but someone outside sees it more clearly. She is someone who points out the logical for me, when I’m drowning in the irrational. I do think that applies here too, how we all need a friend to help in times of troubles.
 
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Not sure it was a moral action on his part, I simply told him I didn’t want him back and he did not contest it ( he was seeing someone else at the time - so his morals were a bit off !! lol )
My two younger children were teenagers at the time.
I have children ranging from 30- 44 years and three of them are married , my youngest doesnt see the point, but he suffers with agoraphobia so I doubt it will be an issue he will have to think about…..
So sad to hear this Rita. I think your husband was feeling guilty and that's, maybe, what caused him to do the right thing.
Your children are all big now and it seems they're settled in. All will work out for the youngest too - things always work out; one way or another. I have an autistic granddaughter...fortunately she's low on the spectrum so that's good. Always think of the good...
 

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So sad to hear this Rita. I think your husband was feeling guilty and that's, maybe, what caused him to do the right thing.
Your children are all big now and it seems they're settled in. All will work out for the youngest too - things always work out; one way or another. I have an autistic granddaughter...fortunately she's low on the spectrum so that's good. Always think of the good...
No my ex never showed any guilt, and he had way more affairs than I knew at the end of my marriage. He carried on having other relationships. He died of cancer in 2019 , was living with someone else but there were many who thought he was seeing other women. We did talk before he died, he never said sorry as such , kind of made excuses for why he was unfaithful. The Lord enabled me to forgive him many many years - so I was at peace with it all.
My youngest and I live together next door to my daughter and her family and we have a wonderful friendship , have loads of laughs and support one another. My grand daughter has autism as well, not sure where she is on spectrum , but she has a wonderful boyfriend who supports and understands her.
It’s challenging for my daughter and her husband as they all have health issues, but being next door we all kind of help one another- it works really well.
 
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Where is he getting his information from?
Don't know what you mean.
Dang now I’m disturbed for her. It sounds like when he is done, he is done. Your friend has to be extremely hurt.
That's putting it mildly. She feels betrayed, hurt, alone. It's terrible what she's going through.
I mean how can you be married and not at least come away caring for the other persons well being. That is why my input is for them to sale and split. Considering him also but it doesn’t sound like he is considering anyone but himself.
Right.
And if he is telling her he gets the house and she is in tears…sounds like he is trying to force her out. Or at least manipulate her out.
Right again.
How long have they been married? Not that it’s any of my business. You don’t have to tell us.
The wonderful thing is that no one here knows them!
I'd NEVER discuss this with any of my friends because many know them.

25 years.

But I think it has a lot to do with it. Is the house a house he owned prior to marriage and they haven’t been married long, and he is hearing that the house he brought into the marriage is still his?
They bought it together when they got married.
She was working and had some money...he had a very good job and had his money.
Or have they been married and all they have built-acquired- they have done it together?
Yes.
Even if she stayed home, her supporting him so they could acquire this home through years of commitment to this marriage?
Right...and he was having depression problems all along so she stayed home.
She's kind of sorry for it now.

I’d advise her to get a different attorney also. I don’t know their history though. It doesn’t sound right, the attorney telling her to move. I don’t know his reasoning though. Once she moves she is setting the standard that he lives in the house,
Right!
and she does not. I have a friend who went through a divorce. Even the insurance thing…her attorney said anything that has been the norm the courts take into consideration. For example, if the norm has been his providing her insurance …then the courts look at continuing the norm at least until she gets on her feet and is able to afford her own. He may think it’s his right to pull the plug. Even if she goes to file for Medicaid…they will most likely deny her because her husband work offers insurance, which he cold heartedly discontinued just because he felt like it. Even if she is largely the problem (I don’t know them), still it says a lot that he just cuts her medical insurance.
They live in Germany for his work...but all you've said is true and makes sense.
I really don't think she's the problem.
Same with the house…if she moves before the time they file and finalize the divorce. He can say she abandoned the house and left of her own accord.
Correct! How come SHE doesn't know these things??
I think she just might want to get away from him....she's so confused right now.
He could also swing it that she initially abandoned the marriage first, by her leaving the house and him in it. As a friend, I would urge to not do anything. Let him leave since he is the one vacating the marriage. Then when the divorce is final, maybe then they can talk about what happens with the home. That is all just my opinion though. I’m no attorney.
I agree with you 100%.
You are a good friend though to help and support her. I understand you are not trying to stick yourself in her business, but being a friend to someone who probably can’t make clear decisions being so much in it. someone outside of the marriage, like you, at least can help her think straight in the collapse of her life.
I listen. It's the most one could do. I did suggest going to a second atty...other than that the decisions are too big to give real advice...it's not the kind of situation where I feel I could give advice. I mean, we all think we'd know exactly what to do if WE were in that situation...truth is, no one knows what they would do in any given situation.
I don’t think that is wrong, but needful. Someone told me (someone who talks me down off the ledge during a panic attack): it’s hard for someone in the middle of the storm to see straight, but someone outside sees it more clearly. She is someone who points out the logical for me, when I’m drowning in the irrational. I do think that applies here too, how we all need a friend to help in times of troubles.
I think it's great that you have a friend you could trust that much...most of us don't.
Some friends give wrong advice --- I see that too. You're fortunate. And you're smart enough to listen.
 
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