When the Son of Man Comes:

[ewq1938]

When the soldiers placed a crown of thorns on Jesus's head at the time when He was crucified - what was written on the plaque that Pilate had placed above His head ?

MOCKERY. The enemy mocked Jesus. Why can't you understand that?

 

[Verily]

When Pilate asked this, Jesus responded this way,

Mark 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.

What would that indicate?

 

[Douggg]

So? Christ denied being the king of Israel. He was not the king of Israel during the first coming!

Jesus did not say... I am not the king of Israel. That Jesus was not accepted by the Jews as the king of Israel at His first coming is universally agreed on.

In John 12:14, who chose to sit on the donkey, to signify himself as the the King of Israel ?


John 12:
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.

 

[Douggg]

MOCKERY. The enemy mocked Jesus. Why can't you understand that?

They were mocking him as being what ?

 

[Jay Ross]

It seems that our friend, @Douggg, does not understand that Christ is only given dominion over the peoples of the whole earth, such that they should worship Him, by the Ancient of Days, i.e. God, after the Beasts and the other heavenly hosts are judged in heaven around 2,000 years after His first advent as revealed in Daniel 7.

But why let the scriptures get in our way when we have our own private understanding of how the last Age/day of the Lord, will play out.

 

[Douggg]

It seems that our friend, @Douggg, does not understand that Christ is only given dominion over the peoples of the whole earth, such that they should worship Him, by the Ancient of Days, i.e. God, after the Beasts and the other heavenly hosts are judged in heaven around 2,000 years after His first advent as revealed in Daniel 7.

But why let the scriptures get in our way when we have our own private understanding of how the last Age/day of the Lord, will play out.

Jay, have you read this verse ?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus did not say... I am not the king of Israel.

Yes, he did say that just in other wording. It does not matter what others said about it. It only matters what Jesus said, that he was a king of a far away kingdom and not one that was Earthly.

 

[ewq1938]

They were mocking him as being what ?

A false king of Israel. Caesar was the king of Israel at that time.

 

[Douggg]

A false king of Israel. Caesar was the king of Israel at that time.

What were the words in the text that the soldiers said? "King of the Jews"

 

[ewq1938]

What were the words in the text that the soldiers said? "King of the Jews"

And they did not mean one word of it. It was mockery. It was a lie.

"We have no king but Caesar". This was true.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, have you read this verse ?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Douggg, are you denying Daniel 7:13-14 as being untrue?

Remember that Daniel 7:11-14 will occur in around 20 years' time.

 

[Douggg]

"We have no king but Caesar". This was true.

That was an appeasing to Pilate response by the Jewish religious leaders. The Jews did not say we have no King of Israel but Caesar.

John 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

I want you to go read John 11:46-53 to understand what was in the chief priests and the Pharisees mindset at that time.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, are you denying Daniel 7:13-14 as being untrue?

Of course Daniel 7:13-14 is true.

Remember that Daniel 7:11-14 will occur in around 20 years' time.

Daniel 7:13-14 Jesus has received his kingdom already.

 

[Verily]

And they did not mean one word of it. It was mockery. It was a lie.

"We have no king but Caesar". This was true.

This was true before also

1 Sam 12:12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

 

[Jay Ross]

Daniel 7:13-14 Jesus has received his kingdom already.

Are you really sure that Daniel 7:13-14 has already been fulfilled.

My understanding is that the fulfilment of these two verses has not yet happened and will occur in around 20 years' time.

If you disagree with my suggested time when Daniel 7:13-14 will occur, then please present the evidence that suggests otherwise.

 

[Douggg]

Are you really sure that Daniel 7:13-14 has already been fulfilled.

My understanding is that the fulfilment of these two verses has not yet happened and will occur in around 20 years' time.

If you disagree with my suggested time when Daniel 7:13-14 will occur, then please present the evidence that suggests otherwise.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (did not include Judas Iscariot of course, who hung himself)

Fulfilled, when in....

In Acts 1:9, some of his disciples, called apostles in Acts 1:2, saw Jesus leave this world from the mount of Olives, ascending up into a cloud from their sight on his way to heaven to come in his kingdom.

Daniel 7:13-14 is the heaven side of that event as Jesus arrived in heaven to receive his kingdom.

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When Jesus returns, He will bring His kingdom of heaven to become the kingdom of God here on earth to have dominion over the nations.

 

[Jay Ross]

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (did not include Judas Iscariot of course, who hung himself)

Douggg, you are not understanding what Jesus is telling us in this quoted verse.

When do we experience the "second death" when Jesus comes again to judge us during the time of the judgement that occurs after Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet are dispatched into the Lake of Fire, around 3,000 years after Christ's first Advent. Even Judas the Iscariot will experience the second death if that is his outcome at that time.

In Acts 1:9, some of his disciples, called apostles in Acts 1:2, saw Jesus leave this world from the mount of Olives, ascending up into a cloud from their sight on his way to heaven to come in his kingdom.

Daniel 7:13-14 is the heaven side of that event as Jesus arrived in heaven to receive his kingdom.

Douggg, Daniel 7:13-14 will occur around 2,000 years after his assentation into the Clouds, and my understanding is that Daniel 7:13-14 will happen after God judges the wicked fallen heavenly hosts in heaven which is described in Isaiah 24:21-22 when also the kings of the earth are judged for their role in the trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts under the influence of the Little Horn. The judgement of the kings of the earth will happen when the Kings of the earth assemble at the place called Armageddon, which we are told will occur after the Three Frog like Spirits perform their signs and wonders display which was seen by all of the people of the earth as the events of 9/11 in 2001, was broadcast live on their TVs in their respective homes, as this event unfolded.

Douggg, since you have no understanding of when Christ will receive His dominion over all of the peoples of the earth, then everything else that you post is also just as wrong.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, you are not understanding what Jesus is telling us in this quoted verse.

When do we experience the "second death" when Jesus comes again to judge us during the time of the judgement that occurs after Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet are dispatched into the Lake of Fire, around 3,000 years after Christ's first Advent. Even Judas the Iscariot will experience the second death if that is his outcome at that time.

Matthew 16.28 does not say "the second death" , but "death".

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (did not include Judas Iscariot of course, who hung himself)

The second death of Revelation 20 has no connection with that verse. Also the second death in Revelation 20 is referring to being cast into the lake of fire.

Douggg, since you have no understanding of when Christ will receive His dominion over all of the peoples of the earth, then everything else that you post is also just as wrong.

Jay, Jesus said...

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[Jay Ross]

Matthew 16.28 does not say "the second death," but "death".

But in the Greek text from which this verse was translated, it does. The Translators could not get their heads around this fact. Your argument is flawed based on the incorrect translation of this verse.

Jay, Jesus said...

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus at that time made no reference to having been given a kingdom.

Matthew 28:16-20: - The Great Commission​

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.​

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18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.​

Douggg, you are reading into Christ's command here what you want to see and not what Christ actually is recorded stated.

If your understanding is flawed on these five verses, then is your understanding also flawed in everything that you post and claim?

 

[Douggg]

But in the Greek text from which this verse was translated, it does. The Translators could not get their heads around this fact. Your argument is flawed based on the incorrect translation of this verse.

Jay, provide a copy and paste of the text that you are claiming Matthew 16:28 has the words "second death". Also provide a link to where you do the copy and paste.

Here is the Greek for "taste of death" - γεύσωνται θανάτου

Matthew 16:28 Parallel Greek Texts

Matthew 16:28 Greek Text Analysis