Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love

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You could think you have everything so down that you are able to correct others. I don’t try to correct others at-least that is not my intention is to “feel” the need to correct others. The topics that I’ve created over time, may have some wrong things, in there, they may have some right things, in there. “Test all things and hold on to what is good.”

I don’t agree with many members on the board about certain things. I’m my own individual person, and my father is dead, and my mother is still alive. My father was never around, and that had an effect but not a great effect on my personal life.

I was grown up in freedom, to do whatever I wanted to, and I believe Yahavah my real Father is the same way to all people, and allows all people to make choices. Some choose to believe in him and some people do not, some believe in his son, and some people don’t know his son, and they still choose to look to him.

Many people debate doctrine; I try my best to avoid those things at the point my writer career as a thread poster on Christianityboard, which is a forum site where there will be people whom try to demean you, correct you, and make sure you are in the right when it’s not their job.

It’s Yahavah/God’s job to correct you by his spirit, and not by everyone else who “feels” the need to correct you; otherwise your not “in the fold.”

Churches do that, people whom see themselves as “I’m your elder and you need to listen to me, or I have a concern about so-and-so, or let me encourage you to do this or do that, or become our member and you’ll be part of the fold as long as you do this and that and this.”

I know I can’t control people, but I should be able to in the spirit of Christ have some self control by the fruit he produces which comes by and through him only. Not everyone is the same, I expect people to have different beliefs, I expect people not to listen to me, I don’t seek out to correct people just because of differing beliefs, I typically just use the Bible to justify stances just like everyone else does.

But in the end that doesn’t matter, because even Paul states:

“If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭2‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Didn’t matter if you have faith, and you had every single doctrine right…

If you didn’t love it meant nothing. And sometimes I look at people and what they say and determine whether or not they are being loving. What can I say, I’m a judge of what I see and what is being said, while people can “pretend to be nice, and caring, and concerned about someone being “in” or being “out.”

It doesn’t really honestly truthfully matter to me… if you can’t accept me for who I am, and only desire to correct me, and I get it, I can be corrected and moved in changing my mind.

But I don’t just simply believe every doctrine a person tries to swing my way, because most people don’t see things like me personally, coming from a view that sees Jesus already having returned and living in the new heavens and the new earth already…

I do hope you all, on this board the best, and I do love you and don’t mean to come off as a jerk as I tend to do, but some people who share what they do, don’t also expect to be corrected either.

Therefore by all means share away. I don’t accept the Bible as authority, I love the Bible and see it useful for people who can read it, but when it comes down to systematic theology, or sola scriptura stuff, I simply don’t believe in it.

What I do believe is doing what is right and allowing you to believe how you do, until something else comes up to change your mind, and having love and desiring the best for you with God in love as he moves you by the spirit…

Doctrines don’t matter when it comes down to having love for God and love for others.

“Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭4‬-‭7‬ ‭NLT‬‬
 
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Romans 14:5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.



If you believe a certain way, it’s not incumbent that someone has to believe the exact same way you do.

You must choose for yourself what is acceptable and what is not. When it comes to the doctrines you hold yourself. Some believe a certain aspect of a way of say “Jesus will return.” That’s fine, some believe “Jesus has returned.” That too, is fine.

If you can’t love one another because of differing doctrines, what good is your faith? If you don’t have love it doesn’t even matter.
 

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Doctrines don’t matter when it comes down to having love for God and love for others.
Yes doctrine does! You have to know what kind of love god is proposing in order to express that love and that is called doctrine.

Doctrine simply put is what God says about a matter.

Should we give food to all who are hungry? God said no in certain circumstances. That is doctrine

How should we pray? that is doctrine

Ho0w should we help people? that is doctrine.

And here is what God has to say about knowing sound doctrine:

2 Timothy 3:15-17

King James Version

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Titus 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Titus 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

1 Timothy 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Doctrine matters a great deal- just as love does!
 
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If you believe a certain way, it’s not incumbent that someone has to believe the exact same way you do.

You must choose for yourself what is acceptable and what is not. When it comes to the doctrines you hold yourself. Some believe a certain aspect of a way of say “Jesus will return.” That’s fine, some believe “Jesus has returned.” That too, is fine.

If you can’t love one another because of differing doctrines, what good is your faith? If you don’t have love it doesn’t even matter.
Doctrine begins and ends with love. Love is sound doctrine if practiced. Love of the truth is rare in our time...and is the defense against all false doctrine. All false doctrine makes the way easier for people and caters to the flesh with all its vices intact.
 
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Hello @Episkopos,

God is love. And love is defined in 1 Corinthians 13.

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Doctrine is simply teaching, or instruction:
didaché: Teaching, doctrine, instruction​
Original Word: διδαχή
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: didaché
Pronunciation: dee-dakh-AY
Phonetic Spelling: (did-akh-ay')
Definition: Teaching, doctrine, instruction
Meaning: teaching, doctrine, what is taught.

Word Origin: Derived from διδάσκω (didaskō), meaning "to teach."
 

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I do believe they are equally important, doctrine and love however, faith and love even more so.
 

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You could think you have everything so down that you are able to correct others. I don’t try to correct others at-least that is not my intention is to “feel” the need to correct others. The topics that I’ve created over time, may have some wrong things, in there, they may have some right things, in there. “Test all things and hold on to what is good.”

I don’t agree with many members on the board about certain things. I’m my own individual person, and my father is dead, and my mother is still alive. My father was never around, and that had an effect but not a great effect on my personal life.

I was grown up in freedom, to do whatever I wanted to, and I believe Yahavah my real Father is the same way to all people, and allows all people to make choices. Some choose to believe in him and some people do not, some believe in his son, and some people don’t know his son, and they still choose to look to him.

Many people debate doctrine; I try my best to avoid those things at the point my writer career as a thread poster on Christianityboard, which is a forum site where there will be people whom try to demean you, correct you, and make sure you are in the right when it’s not their job.

It’s Yahavah/God’s job to correct you by his spirit, and not by everyone else who “feels” the need to correct you; otherwise your not “in the fold.”

Churches do that, people whom see themselves as “I’m your elder and you need to listen to me, or I have a concern about so-and-so, or let me encourage you to do this or do that, or become our member and you’ll be part of the fold as long as you do this and that and this.”

I know I can’t control people, but I should be able to in the spirit of Christ have some self control by the fruit he produces which comes by and through him only. Not everyone is the same, I expect people to have different beliefs, I expect people not to listen to me, I don’t seek out to correct people just because of differing beliefs, I typically just use the Bible to justify stances just like everyone else does.

But in the end that doesn’t matter, because even Paul states:



Didn’t matter if you have faith, and you had every single doctrine right…

If you didn’t love it meant nothing. And sometimes I look at people and what they say and determine whether or not they are being loving. What can I say, I’m a judge of what I see and what is being said, while people can “pretend to be nice, and caring, and concerned about someone being “in” or being “out.”

It doesn’t really honestly truthfully matter to me… if you can’t accept me for who I am, and only desire to correct me, and I get it, I can be corrected and moved in changing my mind.

But I don’t just simply believe every doctrine a person tries to swing my way, because most people don’t see things like me personally, coming from a view that sees Jesus already having returned and living in the new heavens and the new earth already…

I do hope you all, on this board the best, and I do love you and don’t mean to come off as a jerk as I tend to do, but some people who share what they do, don’t also expect to be corrected either.

Therefore by all means share away. I don’t accept the Bible as authority, I love the Bible and see it useful for people who can read it, but when it comes down to systematic theology, or sola scriptura stuff, I simply don’t believe in it.

What I do believe is doing what is right and allowing you to believe how you do, until something else comes up to change your mind, and having love and desiring the best for you with God in love as he moves you by the spirit…

Doctrines don’t matter when it comes down to having love for God and love for others.
Having love or being a loving individual won't save your soul, nor will false doctrine which will lead you astray
 

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If doctrine leads to people hating other people, or if doctrine itself is leading you to hate other people, that is a question to oneself "is this really leading one to be loving?"
 
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Jesus states:
Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’[a] and hate your enemy. 44 But I say, love your enemies![b] Pray for those who persecute you! 45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47 If you are kind only to your friends,[c] how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

The only way one can remain perfect is by abiding in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

It's all thanks to the Lord Yeshua, whom helps us by his spirit.

Romans 8:10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life[a] because you have been made right with God.
 

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The Old Covenant... Different generation... Different spirituality...

7 And the people served the Lord all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the Lord, that he did for Israel.
10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.
11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim: - Judges 2

And what said the Apostle Paul?

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. - 1 Corinthians 10

Early on I sought after the best denomination, in which I found in Pentecostal Holiness. The thing that amazed me is all the different spirituality I found from generation from generation. We have the capacity to be just as good or just as evil as anyone else.
 

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Having love or being a loving individual won't save your soul, nor will false doctrine which will lead you astray

False doctrine can lead people to hate other people. That is not loving. Love is everything because God is love.
 

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The Old Covenant... Different generation... Different spirituality...

7 And the people served the Lord all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the Lord, that he did for Israel.
10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.
11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and served Baalim: - Judges 2

And what said the Apostle Paul?

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. - 1 Corinthians 10

Early on I sought after the best denomination, in which I found in Pentecostal Holiness. The thing that amazed me is all the different spirituality I found from generation from generation. We have the capacity to be just as good or just as evil as anyone else.



2 Kings 2:23 From there, Elisha went up to Bethel, and as he was walking up the road, a group of boys came out of the city and jeered at him, chanting, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them.

Yahavah is good. He saved Elisha. He saves people today, in bringing them into newness of life by the Spirit.
 

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Yahavah is also love.
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

People need to think for themselves, about the doctrines they hear out there because not all doctrine leads to truly being loving as God is, which address by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13.

1 Corinthians 13: 4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

There are so many people out there that deal with problems involving hate.

1 John 3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
 

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If doctrine leads to people hating other people, or if doctrine itself is leading you to hate other people, that is a question to oneself "is this really leading one to be loving?"
In search of truth should be the question. Bad or false doctrine doesn't necessarily mean you hate those who propagate it. That's why I participate on these forums; to correct those or convince those by scripture, of their false narrative or doctrine. If false doctrine leads to loss of souls, which it does, then that becomes an issue. Thst is hate. Is it then hate to want to correct someone who preahes falsely? On the contrary. And your statement is quite a stretch with no support, simply a statement you made predicated upon nothing. It's a broad, meaningless, unsupported, statement, no different than those that people make regarding race, i.e.: all black people are ----, or all white people are----, etc. As stated, love in and of itself will not save your soul or anybody else's. It's useless and meaningless. But trying to save a soul is priceless. That's what a Christian's mission is: to bring others to Christ, and you can't do that with a false message.
 

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I believe that false doctrine leads to hating people. In the end.

It's similar to how I believe Jesus has already came back. If people hate me because of that, that is an issue.
It's similar how people become vicious and malicious over the trinity doctrine, in they see people who debate as not saved people. If I hate a person who believes in the trinity, and do not love them, what does that say about me personally?

It's a hard knocked life, as they say especially if you are trying to live one in the spirit of Christ whom resides within a persons heart.


Faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is love.
 

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When it comes to people trying to correct people, I don't believe that is their job @DJT_47. That is the job of God himself, and their own questioning which can be answered mostly in and through the context and contents within the bible itself. It's the job of the holy spirit, to lead them to truth. It's not incumbent on us personally. I give credit to God and the Lord Yeshua, if there has been anything worth merit that I have ever taught, and my hope that thing I have been wrong about people forgetting those things, and "testing all things" and never believing me.
 

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When it comes to teaching ones own children, that may be the job then, but not to go around trying to correct everyone else @DJT_47. You can tell a drunk to stop drinking but he will stop when he is ready. Ya know what I am saying?
 

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I believe that false doctrine leads to hating people. In the end.

It's similar to how I believe Jesus has already came back. If people hate me because of that, that is an issue.
It's similar how people become vicious and malicious over the trinity doctrine, in they see people who debate as not saved people. If I hate a person who believes in the trinity, and do not love them, what does that say about me personally?

It's a hard knocked life, as they say especially if you are trying to live one in the spirit of Christ whom resides within a persons heart.


Faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is love.
I would say, speak for yourself, but don't assume others think as you do. And, the spirit of Christ won't be residing in you if you believed and followed a false doctrine wherein it didn't lead you ti your salvation in the first place. Wake up!
 
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Whoa! @DJT_47,

Why are you saying all that for? I'm just saying that people should think about what they are being taught and if it leads to hating other people, that is false doctrine.

Jesus states for us again,


People shouldn't be looking to correct people, but to converse if anything. I just want to share what Jesus stated about what the greatest commandment is, and what he says about people whom are enemies.