PETER AND PAUL AND THE KINGDOM

[Doug]

Peter and Paul preached different kingdoms.

The twelve preached the kingdom gospel of the earthly Davidic kingdom.

[Luke 9:1-2 KJV] 1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

Ezekiel speaks of the Davidic kingdom

[Ezekiel 37:24-28 KJV] 24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Paul spoke of a heavenly kingdom.

[2Ti 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Paul taught that the church in this dispensation will be seated in heavenly places.

[Ephesians 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
[Ephesians 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:

The kingdom of God includes heaven and earth.

[1Chronicles 29:11 KJV] 11 Thine, O LORD, [is] the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all [that is] in the heaven and in the earth [is thine]; thine [is] the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
[Mat 6:10 KJV] 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

God has reconciled both heaven and earth. We should not confuse our place in His kingdom.

 

[Matthias]

I have a different perspective. I would tell newbies that there is only one kingdom, that all believers will reign with the Messiah in that kingdom. It is a heavenly kingdom located on the earth.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I have a different perspective. I would tell newbies that there is only one kingdom, that all believers will reign with the Messiah in that kingdom. It is a heavenly kingdom located on the earth.

Do you believe that God is waking the dead as we speak?

 

[Matthias]

Do you believe that God is waking the dead as we speak?

Only the spiritually dead. I believe the physically dead are lifeless in the dust of the earth, in the grave.

What about you?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Only the spiritually dead. I believe the physically dead are lifeless in the dust of the earth, in the grave.

What about you?

Some wake up to life, and some to hell.

 

[Matthias]

What I like about the OP is that it clearly demonstrates the problem caused by not acknowledging that the gospel of God (Mark 1:14; Romans 1:1) is the same gospel: The church is divided, not united; the body of Messiah is split and the inheritance isn’t the same.

Recognizing and acknowledging that there is only one gospel and that it is preached by Jesus and all of the apostles, including Paul, reverses the damage done by dispensationalism.

In contrast to the OP, I present the united preaching of Jesus and all of the apostles to newbies.

 

[Doug]

I have a different perspective. I would tell newbies that there is only one kingdom, that all believers will reign with the Messiah in that kingdom. It is a heavenly kingdom located on the earth.

[Eze 37:25 KJV] 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.

This passage in Ezekiel is about the Davidic kingdom
Israel was promised the land not the Body of Christ
The earthly Davidic kingdom was promised to Israel

 

[Matthias]

[Eze 37:25 KJV] 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.

This passage in Ezekiel is about the Davidic kingdom

Yes.

Israel was promised the land not the Body of Christ

The land is promised to Abraham and to his seed (Genesis 12:7). As you know, Paul tells us (Galatians 3:16) that the Messiah is the seed of Abraham and that those who belong to Messiah are heirs according to the promise made to Abraham (Galatians 3:29).

The earthly Davidic kingdom was promised to Israel

Paul tells us (Romans 11) that Gentile believers are grafted into Israel and that together with Jews who believe Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah are the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16).

Just as there is only one gospel of God, so too is there only one kingdom of God.

 

[Matthias]

“Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth” (Matthew 5:5)

Who, I would ask newbies to consider, is Jesus referring to here?

 

[Doug]

The land is promised to Abraham and to his seed (Genesis 12:7). As you know, Paul tells us (Galatians 3:16) that the Messiah is the seed of Abraham and that those who belong to Messiah are heirs according to the promise made to Abraham (Galatians 3:29).

[Gal 3:29 KJV] 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

[Gal 3:14 KJV] 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

We are heirs according to the promise not in regard to the land but that we the Gentiles would be blessed by being justified by faith

 

[Matthias]

[Gal 3:29 KJV] 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

[Gal 3:14 KJV] 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

We are heirs according to the promise not in regard to the land but that we the Gentiles would be blessed by being justified by faith

The land mustn’t be removed from the promise God made to Abraham and to his seed. We will have it when the Messiah returns and sits on David’s throne in Jerusalem. There is no kingdom of God without the promised land, the entire earth.

The blessing of Abraham will be seen in the coming kingdom of God.

Our positions on the kingdom of God couldn’t be more different. It’s important for newbies to see and understand this.

P.S.

”Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” (Matthew (6:10) is what all of the Messiah’s disciples - newbies and those who are mature in the faith - should be waiting on and praying for.

 

[Doug]

Paul tells us (Romans 11) that Gentile believers are grafted into Israel and that together with Jews who believe Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah are the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16).

The Gentiles grafted in were those who believed the preaching of Peter.....Paul said at that time there was a remnant (Romans 11:5)

The Israel of God is the remnant of believers
[Rom 9:6 KJV] 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[Matthias]

The Gentiles grafted in were those who believed the preaching of Peter.....Paul said at that time there was a remnant (Romans 11:5)

The Israel of God is the remnant of believers
[Rom 9:6 KJV] 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Newbies should be taught and come to understand that the Israel of God is the new Israel, the spiritual Israel as opposed to the physical Israel, the ideal Israel, the body of the Messiah.

 

[Doug]

Newbies should be taught and come to understand that the Israel of God is the new Israel, the spiritual Israel as opposed to the physical Israel, the ideal Israel, the body of the Messiah.

What verse tells us we are spiritual Israel

 

[Doug]

The land mustn’t be removed from the promise God made to Abraham and to his seed.

The promise in Galatians which you cited says nothing about the land

 

[Matthias]

What verse tells us we are spiritual Israel

Why are you asking? It’s a reasonable question, and one that I would expect a newbie to ask.

Are you telling me that the idea of ”spiritual Israel” is a concept that you don’t see in scripture? Are you telling me that it means nothing whatsoever to you?

 

[Matthias]

The promise in Galatians which you cited says nothing about the land

Paul is steeped in the Hebrew Bible. He is speaking about the promise God made to Abraham (Genesis 12), to the Messiah, and to all who belong to the Messiah.

When God promises us something it isn’t necessary to repeat the details of what is promised every time the promise is mentioned or alluded to. Simply referring to “the promise” is sufficient. Being familiar with what we‘ve been promised in the Hebrew Bible, we remember it when we read Paul speaking about it. The “promise” includes everything - not only the land - that God promised Abraham.

The disciples of Jesus will inherit the earth.

 

[Doug]

Why are you asking? It’s a reasonable question, and one that I would expect a newbie to ask.

Are you telling me that the idea of ”spiritual Israel” is a concept that you don’t see in scripture? Are you telling me that it means nothing whatsoever to you?

If I understand you are saying the Body of Christ is the Israel of God so I would like to see a verse to support this

 

[Matthias]

If I understand you are saying the Body of Christ is the Israel of God ….

Yes. I’m saying that the body of Christ is the true Israel of God.

…. so I would like to see a verse to support this

From the pen of a trinitarian -

What is spiritual Israel? | GotQuestions.org

What is spiritual Israel? Is the church considered to be spiritual Israel? What is the difference between national Israel and spiritual Israel?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Doug]

Paul is steeped in the Hebrew Bible. He is speaking about the promise God made to Abraham (Genesis 12), to the Messiah, and to all who belong to the Messiah.

When God promises us something it isn’t necessary to repeat the details of what is promised every time the promise is mentioned or alluded to. Simply referring to “the promise” is sufficient. Being familiar with what we‘ve been promised in the Hebrew Bible, we remember it when we read Paul speaking about it. The “promise” includes everything - not only the land - that God promised Abraham.

The disciples of Jesus will inherit the earth.

The context is faith

[Gal 3:7-9, 11 KJV] 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ... 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.