Why did god put dinosaurs on earth and what was the point of that era of earth?
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It’s honestly crazy to me sometimes the amount of anti science I see people employ in here. Thinking dinosaurs are satanic creations that satanic scientist cabals lie about. More and more everyday I thank God for freeing me from the clutches of conservative young earth creationism as a young adult.I'm sure this guy just ate kibble.
T-Rex could probably only eat the kibble if we soaked it in milk first to soften it.
Bladerunner
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Then quit believing in the Scientist (unless they are backing up the Bible) and staart believing in GOD's WORD. the dinosaurs died during the flood. all land and air animals did.
You mean stop accepting hundreds of thousands of scientific facts and the consensus of biblical scholars in favor of your interpretation of the Bible. There are several hundred thousand scientists who are also Christians. But out of 8,000,000 scientists roughly 10k disagrees. Thats like 99.9% accepting the theory of evolution and the rest don’t.
Aunty Jane
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Humans became meat eaters only after the flood of Noah’s day….so what changed? Why did God all of a sudden allow humans to eat the flesh of animals?
What on earth does a “carnivorous shaped dinosaur” look like?
Is it the teeth? If all creatures were at first herbivores, what do a carnivores teeth look like?
Can you tell me?
Bladerunner
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You got to make a choice. Either God is Sovereign over al things...including His WORD in the Holy Bible or those Scientist are sovereign over all things written about our past, present and future...Out of your own free will you will get to decide...Yeah:God hath Said:! or Yeah, Our Scientist hath said"!
quietthinker
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At one time the earth was all one huge land mass. The pangea age..
RLT63
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What does carnivorous dinosaurs look like? It shows dinosaurs with jaws that work in specific directions, with teeth shapes made to tear into flesh and claws too. We also can look at things such as typical eye positions and so on.
If all creatures were herbivores first…. That’s just not true. Before dinosaurs even existed, things like sharks existed. Sharks existed before angiosperms even, contrary to the order presented in Genesis.
Or I think that what God said and what science says is different from what you are saying they are saying. It’s not God, the Bible or science I disagree with. I disagree with your interpretations of the Bible by people like you with bad theology and even worse scientific understanding. Y’all keep saying disagree with God… no you disagree with god because you don’t use contextual analysis and respect the culture of the Bible.
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Aunty Jane
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Since nothing is written about extinct creatures before the creation of man….who knows….and does it really matter? All we know for sure is that God created his creatures including mankind to be herbivorous. Genesis tells us this much. The only creatures designed to eat flesh were not predators, but carrion creatures used by God as the clean up crew because animals were not designed to live forever….and rotting carcasses would spoil the beauty of his paradise.
It never ceases to amaze me, the number of bird species there are and yet Jesus said not one of even the little ones falls to the ground without the Father’s knowledge….how often do we see dead birds, compared to the number who must die every day? The only ones I see are those who have come to grief on the highways. Nature is an amazing system….designed to take care of itself….and recycle so very efficiently.
Aunty Jane
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Since God created the carrion creatures as well, it seems to me that these “carnivorous dinosaurs” could be part of that arrangement as well….the bigger the carcass, the bigger the creature’s teeth would need to be to break them down and consume them. God is a recycler….
God did not create sentient creatures to kill and prey on other sentient creatures. Of all the air breathers who do that, man is the most reprehensible, since he has a superior intellect and can process the concepts of past, present and future…..animals lack that ability and live in the present. Whatever they do to prepare for the future is for the most part, programmed by instinct, not planned by wisdom.
But it is all speculation because the Bible simply doesn’t say….and science is good at guessing. The whole theory of evolution is pseudo-science because there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that all living things evolved from a single cell.…which suggests that a single cell is a simple life form…..science knows how complex it really is.…and the odds of life springing into existence from nothing is impossible. Science knows that all life comes from pre-existing life. Science cannot make a living blade of grass.
Since the command to eat green vegetation applied only to land dwellers, sharks would come under the first category of ocean dwelling creatures. The Bible says that the ocean dwellers came first….and no green vegetation is mentioned for them.
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John Walton is wheres its at on this subject. His series on Job is a must listen!So personally I don’t believe that God just placed dinosaurs here. There are different views within Christianity about the age of the earth and the processes God was involved in and what all he did.
When it comes to Genesis there are a few different ways that people interpret it. Some see Genesis 1-11 and believe that it’s meant to be read literally and some believe it’s meant to be read metaphorically. Here are a few of those approaches.
1. Young earth creationism. They approach the Bible in a way that is the least supported by Biblical Scholarship and science. They don’t use what is called contextual analysis to understand the stories. Contextual analysis means being objective about literary interpretation and considering things like genre, literary tropes, cultural norms and the purpose to a story. Instead they read it in a fashion called plain text reading. They read an English translation and make it fit into their modern worldview. There are dozens and dozens of reasons why that fails. They think the earth is 6-10,000 years old or so and was made in 6 days and that within the first thousand years or so dinosaurs were made and died out in a flood and then the survivors in the ark died shortly after getting off.
2. Is old earth creationism. This approach is a bit more diverse. In this camp some believe that animals evolved but not humans, and some think humans evolved too. Some think there are two types of humans. Those that evolved and those that God specifically made supernaturally (Adam and Eve ) and so on. This stance can be a bit more supported by science, history and biblical scholarship but it can also be just as anti scientific as the previous with strange leaps being made in theology. But one standard view is that the days in Genesis 1 means ages and that those ages span millions of years. That dinosaurs still evolved and that eventually they died off. But some of the strangeness is that they take the 6 points of creation literally but not the day and night. This runs into problems issues such as the order of creation according to the days don’t match the order we find in the fossil record.
It says fruit trees developed before fish and before land animal. But angiosperms ( flowering plants ) evolved after fish, and even after dinosaurs. The earliest plants was green algae. This moved to land most likely as lichen type species and became club mosses, which became ferns and their allies ( spore bearing )which became cone bearing ( gymnosperms ) and lastly fruit bearing (angiosperms ). After animals like birds and bats came after ground animals. Though insects predated tetrapods.
The third stance is one called Evolutionary Creationism. They approach genesis as overwhelmingly not literal. They tend to have interpretations that best match not only what biblical scholarship lands on overwhelmingly, but also most closely matches what fits with reality and therefore is supported by science. They know that Genesis is not meant to be read literally. That Genesis 1 and 2 are actually types of ancient genres of poetry. That much of it is a sort of reimagining of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Since they know it’s written as a myth, they don’t have to use the lens of concordism to read the Bible but uses what is called accomondationism. They believe that all life evolved from a common ancestor. They believe that Adam and Eve are characters, not people. They believe that when Jesus mentions them he’s thinking of the characters, not literal people also just like if we say someone is Hercules strong we don’t necessarily mean to imply Hercules is a real person. They believe that God through the Holy Spirit intervened throughout the evolutionary process to help bring about his vision. There is another group within this that does not believe God was intervening with creation and tend to go by Christian Naturalist ( which is what I am ).
So I think that perhaps you understand a little bit about the theory of evolution. That maybe you are a little bit convinced it may be true but that you can’t make it fit with what the Bible says. I was at that point in my life too 15-20 years ago and so had millions of others. What’s important to remember is that the Bible is not necessarily the same as your interpretation of the Bible. That your battle may not be with science and the Bible itself, but with your understanding of science versus your interpretation of genesis which leads to those conflicts dinosaurs and there roles. It often takes a few years of serious biblical reflection and interpretation to work out your own thoughts. It’s called a paradigm shift because you will begin to shift how you read the Bible. But you can do it. The opposite of faith is atheism, but the opposite of young earth/old earth creationism is not atheism. Their opposite is evolutionary creationism and Christian naturalism which both are still part of faith and the opposite of atheism. Atheists don’t own the theory of evolution. Hundreds of millions of Christians accept evolution and out of roughly 8,000,000 globally, 20-40% of those are people with faith and many of those are Christians. A million or so scientists are Christians who believe in God and Jesus and read the Bible. But out of that million, only about 10,000 believe in YECism. It’s about 0.5% of those are young earthers out of the Christians and that means 0.09% of those in total are YECers.
Here are a few podcast episodes that touches up on this by biblical scholars.
1. These are the four parts of “ The Bible for Normal People “ hosted by Pete Enns and Jared Byass.
Episode 277: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 1) - The Bible For Normal People
A tale as old as time…Pete is ruining the book of Genesis! Pete lovingly dissects Genesis 1-4 and the biblical story of “how things began.”thebiblefornormalpeople.com
Episode 280: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 2) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into Genesis 5-11 by examining the complexities of the genealogies and the flood narrative, identifying source criticism, and more.
Episode 283: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 3) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into the story of Abraham in Genesis, exploring his importance as a pivotal figure in the Bible and detailing his journey.
Episode 286: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Genesis (Part 4) - The Bible For Normal People
Pete dives into the sibling soap opera of Jacob and Esau, explaining how it parallels Israel’s political squabbles much later on.
2. Most of the Biologos episodes. Biologos was founded by a Christian who is also a scientist. His name is Francis Collins and he wrote “ The Language of God “ which is what the Biologos podcast is called. He lead the human genome project and was the NIH director. But there are a few good episodes to consider .
John Walton | More Than History - Podcast Episode - BioLogos
Discussing interpretation with biblical scholar John Walton and exploring the answers his work offers.biologos.org
Janet Kellogg Ray | Science Denial and Christian Culture - Podcast Episode - BioLogos
Janet Kellogg Ray shares her journey of reconciling her faith with the science of evolution and discusses the challenges of science denial.
This is resources by the Tim Mackie of “ The Bible Project. “
Book of Genesis | Guide with Key Information and Resources
Gain a better understanding of the book of Genesis in the Bible. Dive into the book's story and explore related videos, podcasts, and more from BibleProject™.bibleproject.com
For the science part here are some podcasts covering the actual evolutionary history of dinosaurs by scientists.
I suggest starting with the oldest posts and working forward.
The Common Descent Podcast.
Dinosaurs – The Common Descent Podcast
Posts about Dinosaurs written by commondescentpccommondescentpodcast.com
Recovering Evangelicals Podcast.
Reaching into Plato's Cave
Exploring the tensions between Christianity and the 21st centurylukejjanssen.wordpress.com
That link has books, the podcast and so on.
If you like to read I suggest books by J Richard Middleton, John Walton, Jared Byass, Pete/Peter Enns, Jim Stump and work by Tim Mackie. All of those are Christians.
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Think of the earth as a glasshouse God left for a very long time to its own devices! (not thousands, not millions...but a much larger number!) and you would be closer to the truth than many.
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amigo de christo
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Many twist the bible to fit the evolution narrative and sciences of men . This will not bode well for them at all .
And this man you are speaking too , hims defended a girl, a fourteen year old girl
that got a double maschetomy cause she wanted to be a boy . That is not a good sign at all my friend .
Many like the way science and medicine twists scripture , because many like to justify sin .
But beware for i seen he already accused you of doing what HE himself is guilty of doing . Interpreting the bible wrong .
He does so through the lens of science . that is real bad . We should do as you wrote . TRUST IN GOD not in man .
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