ONCE….ONCE….(OSAS)….ONCE!!!

[Taken]

There is never a case when a person is "saved" or "once saved" in the past tense. A person is not saved (past tense) until the final trumpet sound. 1 Corinthians 15. This includes body, soul, and spirit.

Not So.

Receipt of Salvation…IS ABOUT An individuals True Confessed BELIEF and FREEWILL Willingness To Lay Down their own bodily LIFE Unto the Lord God, To Receive His Gift Of Everlasting Life.

It “IS” An Individual human Freely Agreeing (With The Lord Gods Offering, Order and Way)…
TO Establish A Forever Relationship With Their Lord God Almighty.

The “Last Trump”…IS the Manifestation….THE Revealing….(of ALL whose Natural Body DIED IN True Belief…And Their Body’s REVEALED TRANSFORMED…in the Likeness “AS” Their God.

ARE-SAVED

Rom 8:
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

1Cor.1
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God

1Cor.15
[2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

2Cor.2
[15] For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Eph.2
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Rev.21
[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

ARE SANCTIFIED.

Acts 20:
[32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts.26
[18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Cor.6
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Heb .2
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Heb .10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Jude.1
[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

***
A human man Accepting The Lord Gods Offering…By the Order And Way Of:
* The mans True Word of Belief Confession…
AND
* The mans willingness to be “symbolically “ Crucified With Jesus.
** IS called…A LIVING SACRIFICE
AND IS:
** The mans Reasonable “Service unto The Lord God:
FOR the Lord God “
** TO “ONCE and Forever”… cause the individual BE ACCOUNTED CONFIRMED …in the Lambs Book OF LIFE that that individual IS:
A Forgiven, Soul Restored and Saved, Spirit Quickened, Bodily New Creature To Be Risen UP…
IN the Manifestation of his NEW Glorified Body.

That IS the ORDER and WAY Offering “Some” individuals (Not All) Freely Choose To Take and Receive… of which I am one who Made THAT Choice.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sadly, those that teach the false doctrines of OSAS have fallen away from the Lord in to heresy

I see,

If I teach our faith in God is what saved. And not anything we do or do nto do. It is heresy.

who are you trusting again? Yourself or God?

 

[mailmandan]

I feel sorry for those who think they will stand in front Christ pumping themselves and saying all their great works. Jesus is just going to say depart from me. for I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Jesus never knew these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 which means they were never saved. 2 Peter 2:20 is often misinterpreted by eternal IN-securists. Those who are truly born of God through previous promises may become partakers of the divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.

*These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome.

*Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature." Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment. Judas Iscariot is a good example of someone who rejected the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ yet was never saved. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is what Christ actually told us about how we should behave (our works/the fruit of our labors):

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.

Matthew 7:16-20
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into The Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that DOETH the Will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in That Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INEQUITY.
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a Rock (the Truth):
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock (the Truth).
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them NOT, shall be likened unto a FOOLISH man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and THEN he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

It should be self-evident (obvious) that Christ teaches everyone they should be on their best behavior, i.e. they should be DOING good works (God's Will) instead of doing EVIL works (sinning/working inequity).

The entire "works based Gospel" label is a strawman argument. The idea that sharing with others what Christ ACTUALLY said and teaches, which emphasizes heavily obedience to God and the DOING of His Will throughout the Gospel accounts, is loving, NOT judgmental.

If someone promotes the LIE that we don't need to be doing our utmost to keep God's Law/Commandments, then they are either ignorant of what Christ actually teaches, or they are intentionally being dishonest. So which is it?

ANYONE who isn't striving to keep The Law/Commandments of God on the Last Day, is going to wind up in The Fire, exactly as Christ has repeatedly warned us for thousands of years. Either learn The Way home or face The Fire.

Lets get this straight.

If I am working because I trust that I have to work to get saved, Keep saved, or keep from losing my salvation,

it id a works based gospel. Saying it is a strawman does not take away from the fact.

I work for a wage, i work for a reward. I do not work for a gift. A gift is freely given, because the person giving the gift loves me.

if however, i work out of a trust in God, I trusted him to save me, so i am going to trust him with my personal life also, in what i should do, I work out of gratitude and appreciation for the massive Gift God gave me, i work, because I have experienced the truth love of God. So as God loved me, I love others 9expecting nothing in return) then it is not a works based gospel.

paul said it the best. if it is grace, it is no longer works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

You can keep posting Matthew a million times to support your works based legalistic gospel. it will not help you.

again, You need to go to John..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus never knew these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 which means they were never saved. 2 Peter 2:20 is often misinterpreted by eternal IN-securists. Those who are truly born of God through previous promises may become partakers of the divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.

*These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome.

*Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature." Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment. Judas Iscariot is a good example of someone who rejected the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ yet was never saved. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)

I am amazed, that they people claim they are not working to be saved. And say we who call them out are decieved. When every time they post. They pump their chest with how great they are (in not so many words)

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not So.

Receipt of Salvation…IS ABOUT An individuals True Confessed BELIEF and FREEWILL Willingness To Lay Down their own bodily LIFE Unto the Lord God, To Receive His Gift Of Everlasting Life.

When is a person "saved"? You speak of confession, which Paul ties to Justification, but justification is only a part of Salvation. Complete salvation will also include Glorification, which is a part of salvation that is awarded at the last trump. Thus Paul asserts,

Romans 10: 8-10 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

The apostle anticipates salvation as a future event. Confession is the road to salvation but the end of the road comes later.

It “IS” An Individual human Freely Agreeing (With The Lord Gods Offering, Order and Way)…
TO Establish A Forever Relationship With Their Lord God Almighty.

The New Testament calls this "sanctification," which is living a life worthy of the Gospel in a positive relationship with the Lord. Even so, glorification comes later at the end when Jesus defeats death.

The “Last Trump”…IS the Manifestation….THE Revealing….(of ALL whose Natural Body DIED IN True Belief…And Their Body’s REVEALED TRANSFORMED…in the Likeness “AS” Their God.

ARE-SAVED

Right. Glorification is a realized Salvation.

 

[rockytopva]

ONCE….ONCE….(OSAS)…..ONCE!!!

Unless... You are Methodist!

 

[Taken]

Right. Glorification is a realized Salvation.

The Manifestation…is for our Glorified EYES to See…at that Time.
However The Lord God who already HAS “glorified vision”, already SEEs the Manifestation…and calls those Sanctified…
A New Creature….

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Manifestation…is for our Glorified EYES to See…at that Time.
However The Lord God who already HAS “glorified vision”, already SEEs the Manifestation…and calls those Sanctified…
A New Creature….

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

I don't know what you mean.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That Statement Is False.

Not according to the false teachers of OSAS heresy

Your unproved False Accusations ARE Just As Wicked AS Stanley’s False Teachings.

Those indoctrinated by satan to believe and follow OSAS heresy are the tares Jesus warned about.

 

[mailmandan]

There IS a distinct difference between “TASTING” and “EATING”.

A “TASTER” is Blessed by the Spirit of God…With a measured Gift of FAITH.

TASTING can be spit out and rejected BY that person and that person become FALLEN FROM FAITH.

An “EATER” is Bless by the Spirit of God….
With the fullness / WHOLENESS (body, soul, spirit) Gift of: SALVATION…

EATING “consequences” (of being MADE WHOLE / body, soul, spirit of the man)…
IS MADE and KEPT “Forever” MADE WHOLE, BY the POWER OF God. And THEY become a son of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Amen! Jesus may have tasted death, but He did not remain dead. Jesus temporarily died physically but on the third day He rose again from the dead. There is a big difference between tasting death and remaining dead. In regard to "tasted" the heavenly gift, the good word of God and the powers of the age to come in Hebrews 6:5-6, they may have tasted in such a way as to give them a distinct impression of what was tasted, yet they still chose to fall away. After reading further in verses 7-9, we see that those who fell away were not children of God.

Inherent in the idea of tasting is the fact that one might or might not decide to accept what is tasted. For example, the same word "tasted" is used in Matthew 27:34 to say that those crucifying Jesus "offered him wine to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it." We do not merely taste, but drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)

 

[mailmandan]

Men do NOT fall from Salvation.

Amen! Matthew 26:31 - Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of me this night. For it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ But after I am raised up, I will go before you to Galilee.”

So, the 11 remaining disciples at the time of Jesus' arrest were said to "fall away" and Peter even denied Jesus three times! But nothing is mentioned about them permanently falling away or losing their salvation. Only Judas Iscariot permanently fell away but he was not saved and lost his salvation. Instead, he was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus! (John 6:64-71; 13:10,11)

Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity. These are two distinct falls.

The UN-saved can and do fall from Faith.

The UN-saved can fall or depart from professing adherence to the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. That does not mean they fell from saving faith in Christ. Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for cults or false religions. That does not prove they were previously born again.

In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

 

[mailmandan]

There is never a case when a person is "saved" or "once saved" in the past tense. A person is not saved (past tense) until the final trumpet sound. 1 Corinthians 15. This includes body, soul, and spirit.

In Ephesians 2:8, the verb "saved" is considered a perfect tense in the Greek, which means it refers to a completed action in the past, signifying you have been saved through faith. (justified) We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin in the past with ongoing present results. The perfect tense indicates that salvation from the PENALTY of sin is not an ongoing process, but a past event that has lasting effects.

John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death into life.

Not to be confused with being saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification) when we receive our glorified bodies. That is still future.

 

[CadyandZoe]

In Ephesians 2:8, the verb "saved" is considered a perfect tense in the Greek, which means it refers to a completed action in the past, signifying you have been saved through faith. (justified) We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin in the past with ongoing present results. The perfect tense indicates that salvation from the PENALTY of sin is not an ongoing process, but a past event that has lasting effects.

John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death into life.

Not to be confused with being saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification) when we receive our glorified bodies. That is still future.

Okay. I see what you mean.

So then, how do I know that Paul's statement is true concerning me? Paul doesn't know me personally, so he can't tell me if I am truly saved (perfect tense) or not.

Any ideas?

 

[Behold]

Okay. I see what you mean.

So then, how do I know that Paul's statement is true concerning me? Paul doesn't know me personally, so he can't tell me if I am truly saved (perfect tense) or not.

Any ideas?

Being born again is THE proof of being Saved.

Water baptism has nothing to do with it.

 

[mailmandan]

Okay. I see what you mean.

So then, how do I know that Paul's statement is true concerning me? Paul doesn't know me personally, so he can't tell me if I am truly saved (perfect tense) or not.

Any ideas?

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation then you can know that you are truly saved. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

 

[CadyandZoe]

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation then you can know that you are truly saved. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Yes, of course. I can intellectually know it, but can I know it experientially? If so, how?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Being born again is THE proof of being Saved.

Water baptism has nothing to do with it.

Is there a way that someone can know they are born again?

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, of course. I can intellectually know it, but can I know it experientially? If so, how?

Here is one way. 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[mailmandan]

Is there a way that someone can know they are born again?

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and hat you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

I knew when I was born again. Romans 8:16 - The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.