The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Ritajanice]

Sorry I don't have the time or patience to teach stubborn students the basic elementary bible doctrines. I would suggest you find yourself a beginners bible class and learn the basics.

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things

Until then, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion.

I don’t have the time to keep explaining divine revelation to you either.

You lack spirit knowledge, you have no idea that we are Born Of God, that his seed remains in us, you are spirit blind and spirit deaf.

◄ Ephesians 1:17 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. New Living Translation asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God. English Standard Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Berean Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. Berean Literal Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, King James Bible That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: New King James Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, New American Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightlyjudged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Jeremiah 29:11-1311 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

 

[Runningman]

That's all wishful thinking because you don't even know what sin is and what it isn't. I say this because I know you're a sinner and a sinner doesn't know all of his sins but God knows every one of them. You sin because you have a sin nature, so every thought of yours is sinful because none of your thoughts are pure, even your good thoughts are thoughts are sinful because you're motive for thinking them is tainted with your own righteousness. Your trying to please God by doing "good works" but you heart is divided,, so your good thoughts and works are not pure so they are sin.

We are not even aware of our sin and we don't know that we sin continuously, why do you think we are commanded to pray always and to always repent and confess our sin. This is an ongoing and continual life long deal where were in constant prayer and constant repentance.

It is heresy to suggest that you repent once and then your receive the Holy Spirit and then you live a pure sinless life. That is what Satan wants you to believe, it is pure demonic doctrine, that luls it's victims into a false sense of security. The sad truth is, they will hear Jesus say to them, "depart from me, for I never knew you". most Christians are going to spend eternity in hell, it's just a sad fact which the bible confirms.

I don't think it's quite as bad as that. You can actually escape that. Peter wrote a good passage on it. I highly recommend at least the first two chapter of 2 Peter 1.

2 Peter 1 (KJV)
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things

I don’t have the time to keep explaining divine revelation to you either.

You lack spirit knowledge, you have no idea that we are Born Of God, that his seed remains in us, you are spirit blind and spirit deaf.

◄ Ephesians 1:17 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. New Living Translation asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God. English Standard Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Berean Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. Berean Literal Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, King James Bible That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: New King James Version that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, New American Standard Bible that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightlyjudged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Jeremiah 29:11-1311 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

None of that supports your unbiblical private opinions, you will never whitewash your false doctrines by appealing to unrelated scriptures. You still haven't found a single verse to support your false doctrines.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I don't think it's quite as bad as that. You can actually escape that. Peter wrote a good passage on it. I highly recommend at least the first two chapter of 2 Peter 1.

2 Peter 1 (KJV)
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

No, it's actually a lot worse then I described it. In fact it's so bad that we can't even get our minds around how offensive and repugnant our sin is to God. You are judging yourself by your own standard, but the awful truth is Gods standard is infinitely higher then ours. That's why most Christians reject Gods Word and make up their own theology and doctrines to suit themselves, and this is why Jesus said He will cast most Christians into hell.

2 Peter 1 is nothing more then promises and exhortations. It doesn't say that any of the apostles or believers will ever be able to resist the temptation to sin. We are called to glory and virtue , (not commanded to produce them).

Born again believers have the promise of becoming partakers of the divine nature of our Lord, but we don't become partakers in this life, that promise is for the life to come. So we will continue to sin every single day for the rest of our lives, whether we like it or not.

You won't find a single verse of scripture, to support this silly man made "theosis" theory. If you do find a single verse to support it, then orthodox Christianity will be destroyed.

 

[Runningman]

No, it's actually a lot worse then I described it. In fact it's so bad that we can't even get our minds around how offensive and repugnant our sin is to God. You are judging yourself by your own standard, but the awful truth is Gods standard is infinitely higher then ours. That's why most Christians reject Gods Word and make up their own theology and doctrines to suit themselves, and this is why Jesus said He will cast most Christians into hell.

2 Peter 1 is nothing more then promises and exhortations. It doesn't say that any of the apostles or believers will ever be able to resist the temptation to sin. We are called to glory and virtue , (not commanded to produce them).

Born again believers have the promise of becoming partakers of the divine nature of our Lord, but we don't become partakers in this life, that promise is for the life to come. So we will continue to sin every single day for the rest of our lives, whether we like it or not.

You won't find a single verse of scripture, to support this silly man made "theosis" theory. If you do find a single verse to support it, then orthodox Christianity will be destroyed.

If by theosis you mean becoming like Jesus, then yes there is for sure enough material in the New Testament about being conformed to the image of Jesus or being like him. That's essentially what Christianity is.... being like Jesus, believing what he did, do what he did, etc. Yes it's true there are a lot of things Jesus received or did that we cannot because he's the highest rank. However, as you can see, even Jesus was resurrected like we can be, according to what he taught. So as far as I am concerned, this does debunk orthodox Christianity, though I would say it cannot be destroyed.

 

[Christian Soldier]

If by theosis you mean becoming like Jesus, then yes there is for sure enough material in the New Testament about being conformed to the image of Jesus or being like him. That's essentially what Christianity is.... being like Jesus, believing what he did, do what he did, etc. Yes it's true there are a lot of things Jesus received or did that we cannot because he's the highest rank. However, as you can see, even Jesus was resurrected like we can be, according to what he taught. So as far as I am concerned, this does debunk orthodox Christianity, though I would say it cannot be destroyed.

It's impossible for anyone to become like Jesus, because He is Jehovah God the Creator of everything that exists. The New Testament confirms that becoming Christ like, is the work of the Holy Spirit. He is the One who regenerates Gods people, He leads Gods people, He transforms Gods people, He sanctifies Gods people and He leads us throughout our journey and brings us safely before the Lord to receive our sinless, immortal glorified bodies.

The work of salvation has never been initiated, run or completed by Gods elect. Salvation is the work of the Lord alone, the elect are just followers, so the meaning of the word "Christian" is "follower of Christ". We don't become like Christ in this life, because every born again believer sins every day for the rest of their lives. So it's impossible to be Christlike while we sin, because Christ never sinned.

Jesus is not the highest rank of anything, because He is outside of His creation. Jesus created all things so He is not subject to any rank or description. He is a mystery and He will always remain a mystery, He exists outside of time and space.

 

[Runningman]

It's impossible for anyone to become like Jesus, because He is Jehovah God the Creator of everything that exists. The New Testament confirms that becoming Christ like, is the work of the Holy Spirit. He is the One who regenerates Gods people, He leads Gods people, He transforms Gods people, He sanctifies Gods people and He leads us throughout our journey and brings us safely before the Lord to receive our sinless, immortal glorified bodies.

The work of salvation has never been initiated, run or completed by Gods elect. Salvation is the work of the Lord alone, the elect are just followers, so the meaning of the word "Christian" is "follower of Christ". We don't become like Christ in this life, because every born again believer sins every day for the rest of their lives. So it's impossible to be Christlike while we sin, because Christ never sinned.

Jesus is not the highest rank of anything, because He is outside of His creation. Jesus created all things so He is not subject to any rank or description. He is a mystery and He will always remain a mystery, He exists outside of time and space.

We can indeed become like Jesus because Jesus isn't God, but rather a man who God chose, empowered, and anointed according to Scripture. The only true God is the Father (John 17:3) but in regards to Jesus, he, like us, can be children of God. People perhaps miss the fact that there is so much one can share in common with Jesus.

Acts 2
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Romans 8
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1 John 3
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Christian Soldier]

We can indeed become like Jesus because Jesus isn't God, but rather a man who God chose, empowered, and anointed according to Scripture. The only true God is the Father (John 17:3) but in regards to Jesus, he, like us, can be children of God. People perhaps miss the fact that there is so much one can share in common with Jesus.

Acts 2
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Romans 8
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1 John 3
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Your view is not supported by any scripture, because you fail to understand that the Lord Jesus Christ is both man and God at the same time. Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the Creator of everything that exists. So you are not only dead wrong to say that "Jesus isn't God", but that comment is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and there is no forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Gods Word is crystal clear, He said that Jesus is God, just as the Holy Spirit is God, just as the Father is God. So you need to learn the truth about the Godhead, all three Persons of the Godhead are equally God. God is the Holy Trinity, you can't separate the three Persons of the Holy Trinity and make One higher than the other, they are One and any attempt to separate them is pure blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Those who do this, will be tormented in the lake of fire for all eternity.

You abuse Gods Word, in an attempt to push the doctrine of demons at your own peril. None of the verses you referred to above support this demonic doctrine, that Jesus is not God. You have been deceived by wolves in sheep's clothing, Jesus said He is the Almighty Jehovah God, Creator of all things.
So your problem is your ignorance of who Jesus is, He said He is God, but you say He is not, so one of you is a liar and liars are the sones of the Devil.

 

[marks]

the Lord Jesus Christ is both man and God at the same time. Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the Creator of everything that exists.

This truth is what allows us not only to become like Jesus, as though He were merely the first of many, as we all come to be where He is. Rather than simply becoming similar to Him, because He is in fact Eternal God, we can each one of us be unified together with Him, not simply emulating Him, but sharing in His very life, as this sharing in His life brings resurrection to our souls.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

Your view is not supported by any scripture, because you fail to understand that the Lord Jesus Christ is both man and God at the same time. Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the Creator of everything that exists. So you are not only dead wrong to say that "Jesus isn't God", but that comment is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and there is no forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Gods Word is crystal clear, He said that Jesus is God, just as the Holy Spirit is God, just as the Father is God. So you need to learn the truth about the Godhead, all three Persons of the Godhead are equally God. God is the Holy Trinity, you can't separate the three Persons of the Holy Trinity and make One higher than the other, they are One and any attempt to separate them is pure blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Those who do this, will be tormented in the lake of fire for all eternity.

You abuse Gods Word, in an attempt to push the doctrine of demons at your own peril. None of the verses you referred to above support this demonic doctrine, that Jesus is not God. You have been deceived by wolves in sheep's clothing, Jesus said He is the Almighty Jehovah God, Creator of all things.
So your problem is your ignorance of who Jesus is, He said He is God, but you say He is not, so one of you is a liar and liars are the sones of the Devil.

According to Scripture Jesus is neither God nor the Creator. While it's true that in Hebrew literature there are many senses of the word for "god," not all of them necessarily translate to God Almighty. I have noticed you have gotten way ahead of yourself rather than discuss this calmly and I understand. When something you feel is important to you is being contradicted by Scripture, it can feel threatening, but you should just take this as an opportunity to learn and grow rather than condemn the things it's apparent you don't understand.

So taking an example from the Bible, let's use one verse that, in my view, has caused a lot of confusion and misunderstanding about who Jesus is. In Hebrews 1:8, it says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

However, as I already previously stated, the word for "god" has different meanings in Hebrew and they don't all mean the same thing. Hebrews 1:8 is actually quoted from Psalm 45:6 where the word for god that they used is elohim and the psalmist used it to write about a man with a queen in that context. So there goes that idea of that verse being a shoe-in for the deity of Jesus. Quite frankly there aren't any. A man with a queen isn't God Almighty, but is rather a judge or ruler which elohim can translate to. So the original context of Psalm 45 doesn't transfer deity to Jesus in Hebrews 1.

We also have Acts 4:23-31 where John and Peter prayed together to the Sovereign Lord and Creator, God, and in their prayer they spoke to God about Jesus being His servant. John and Peter prayed together like two people who don't believe Jesus is God or the Creator. There is also John 1:2,3 where the "Word" isn't the Creator. There is the entire Old Testament where there is not a single word or action by Jesus or a pre-existent Son saying or doing anything. He's completely missing in action in the OT because he didn't exist yet. There are verses that prove Jesus was himself created (Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14) and by the very fact of him being a man is sufficient to believe such.

There are also miscellaneous denials by Jesus that he is God. There doesn't seem to be any evidence anyone believed he is God, he never claimed to be God, no not once, nor did anyone believe he became God after he was taken to heaven. They just kept right on calling him a man decades later. See what Paul said for example.

Does this sound like Paul believed what you believe when he wrote about Jesus some decades after he was taken?

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[Runningman]

This truth is what allows us not only to become like Jesus, as though He were merely the first of many, as we all come to be where He is. Rather than simply becoming similar to Him, because He is in fact Eternal God, we can each one of us be unified together with Him, not simply emulating Him, but sharing in His very life, as this sharing in His life brings resurrection to our souls.

Much love!

Since we know that Jesus received all of his power and authority from God, we know that he was a man who didn't inherently have it. Could God have done the same sort of thing for any other person?

 

[Christian Soldier]

According to Scripture Jesus is neither God nor the Creator. While it's true that in Hebrew literature there are many senses of the word for "god," not all of them necessarily translate to God Almighty. I have noticed you have gotten way ahead of yourself rather than discuss this calmly and I understand. When something you feel is important to you is being contradicted by Scripture, it can feel threatening, but you should just take this as an opportunity to learn and grow rather than condemn the things it's apparent you don't understand.

So taking an example from the Bible, let's use one verse that, in my view, has caused a lot of confusion and misunderstanding about who Jesus is. In Hebrews 1:8, it says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

It's obvious to everyone that you're not a believer, so I don't know why you're here. You need to make God a liar, in order to hold to your doctrine. How did you manage to trample over so much of what Gods Word tells us?????

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Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”

1 Timothy 6:14-16 - “our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.”

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Hebrews 2:17-18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15-16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”

He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”
Romans 5:8 - “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

I really hope you're just an ignorant misguided person, as the alternative is too horrific for words. You know, it involves eternal torment in the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

This truth is what allows us not only to become like Jesus, as though He were merely the first of many, as we all come to be where He is. Rather than simply becoming similar to Him, because He is in fact Eternal God, we can each one of us be unified together with Him, not simply emulating Him, but sharing in His very life, as this sharing in His life brings resurrection to our souls.

Much love!

Thank you for sharing that, I would just like to confirm that you do believe that, we can do absolutely nothing without God. I raised this, because you stated that "we can each one of us be unified together with Him". My understanding is, each believer was dead in their sin and each believer could do precisely nothing to bring themselves out of that dead state.

To suggest that man can do anything, throws up a red flag for me. Yes I believe we can do all things, but through Christ alone, and not of ourselves, or without Him. Jesus even said, "without Me, you can do nothing". This doesn't sit well with the natural man, because it strips him of all of his pride.

If we admit that salvation is all of the Lord, then it leaves noting for us to boast about and our sin nature thrives on pride and self glorification, this is why we need to die to self and be born again with a new spirit.

 

[Runningman]

It's obvious to everyone that you're not a believer, so I don't know why you're here. You need to make God a liar, in order to hold to your doctrine. How did you manage to trample over so much of what Gods Word tells us?????

Jesus is not God. As you can see, Jesus is a human and God isn't. I believe you have been deceived, but I know you are just trying to defend what you believe, though you clearly don't understand the Bible. Jesus is a man who God chose, anointed, and empowered; the Bible says so. I didn't write it. I would also add there are no teachings about praying to Jesus, worshipping Jesus, or fasting for Jesus in the Bible.

In the Bible, the Father is the only true God. Amen?

God is not a man:

1. “God is not a man” – Numbers 23:19
2. “For I am God, and not man,” – Hosea 11:9

Jesus is called a man many times:

1. “a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” – John 8:40
2. “a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.” – Acts 2:22
3. “He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed.” – Acts 17:31
4. “the man Christ Jesus,” – 1 Timothy 2:5

God is not a son of man:

1. “God is not a man…or a son of man,” – Numbers 23:19

The Bible calls Jesus “the son of man”:

1. “so the Son of Man will be” – Matthew 12:40
2. “For the Son of Man will come” – Matthew 16:27
3. “the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” – Matthew 16:28

“Son of man” is used to refer to people:

1. “the son of man, who is but a worm!” – Job 25:6
2. “the son of man You have raised up for Yourself.” – Psalm 80:17
3. “O LORD, what is man, that You regard him, the son of man that You think of him?” – Psalm 144:3
4. “Son of man,” He said to me, “stand up on your feet and I will speak to you.” – Ezekiel 2:1

Jesus denied being God:

1. “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone” – Luke 18:19
2. “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good.” – Matthew 19:17

Contrary to the accusations of blasphemy against him, Jesus said he is a man:
1. “you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” – John 8:40

God is greater than Jesus:

1. “the Father is greater than I.” – John 14:28
2. “My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all.” – John 10:29

Jesus never instructed anyone to worship him:

1. “When you pray, say: ‘Father, hallowed be Your name.” – Luke 11:2
2. “in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.” – John 16:23
3. “the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.” John 4:23

Jesus worshipped the Only True God:

1. “ that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3
2. “He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.” – Luke 6:12
3. “the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve,” – Matthew 20:28

Jesus prayed to God:

1. “He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed,” – Matthew 26:39
2. “in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,” – Hebrews 5:7

The disciples did not believe Jesus is God:

1. “Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know” – Acts 2:22
2. “The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, “ – Acts 3:13
3. “God, having raised up His Servant Jesus” – Acts 3:26

The disciples prayed to God:

1. “they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: “Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them,” – Acts 4:24
2. “ Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed,” – Acts 4:27
3. “Your holy Servant Jesus.” – Acts 4:30

Jesus is God’s servant:

1. ““Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!” – Matthew 12:18

Jesus cannot do anything of himself:

1. “the Son can do nothing of Himself,” – John 5:19
2. “I can of Myself do nothing.” – John 5:30

God Gave Jesus the power to forgive sins:

1. “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” – Matthew 9:6
2. “Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.” – Matthew 9:8

 

[marks]

"we can each one of us be unified together with Him".

God does this.

To those who received Him, even believing is His Name, to them God gave the right to be born again . . . not by man or man's choice, but born of God.

But if you think that God rebirths unrepentant unbelievers I would heartily disagree with you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Since we know that Jesus received all of his power and authority from God, we know that he was a man who didn't inherently have it. Could God have done the same sort of thing for any other person?

Runningman, what does it mean that you've set aside your real life name and taken up the name Runningman? Does it mean you don't have, or never did have, another name?

This is a serious question.

Much love!

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, what does it mean that you've set aside your real life name and taken up the name Runningman? Does it mean you don't have, or never did have, another name?

This is a serious question.

Much love!

I do have a real name of course, but Runningman is just my online handle. It can mean a lot of things. I meant it to just be about exercising or the movie The Running Man.

How about you sir?

 

[marks]

I do have a real name of course, but Runningman is just my online handle. It can mean a lot of things. I meant it to just be about exercising or the movie The Running Man.

How about you sir?

The point being that you were someone else before you took up the name Runningman.

Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant . . . but before that?

Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient, but before that?

Before that He was sovereign, and transcendant. He took on the form of a servant like you took on the name runningman.

Much love!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus is not God. As you can see, Jesus is a human and God isn't. I believe you have been deceived, but I know you are just trying to defend what you believe, though you clearly don't understand the Bible. Jesus is a man who God chose, anointed, and empowered; the Bible says so. I didn't write it. I would also add there are no teachings about praying to Jesus, worshipping Jesus, or fasting for Jesus in the Bible.

In the Bible, the Father is the only true God. Amen?

God is not a man:

1. “God is not a man” – Numbers 23:19
2. “For I am God, and not man,” – Hosea 11:9

Jesus is called a man many times:

1. “a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” – John 8:40
2. “a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.” – Acts 2:22
3. “He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed.” – Acts 17:31
4. “the man Christ Jesus,” – 1 Timothy 2:5

God is not a son of man:

1. “God is not a man…or a son of man,” – Numbers 23:19

The Bible calls Jesus “the son of man”:

1. “so the Son of Man will be” – Matthew 12:40
2. “For the Son of Man will come” – Matthew 16:27
3. “the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” – Matthew 16:28

“Son of man” is used to refer to people:

1. “the son of man, who is but a worm!” – Job 25:6
2. “the son of man You have raised up for Yourself.” – Psalm 80:17
3. “O LORD, what is man, that You regard him, the son of man that You think of him?” – Psalm 144:3
4. “Son of man,” He said to me, “stand up on your feet and I will speak to you.” – Ezekiel 2:1

Jesus denied being God:

1. “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone” – Luke 18:19
2. “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good.” – Matthew 19:17

Contrary to the accusations of blasphemy against him, Jesus said he is a man:
1. “you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” – John 8:40

God is greater than Jesus:

1. “the Father is greater than I.” – John 14:28
2. “My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all.” – John 10:29

Jesus never instructed anyone to worship him:

1. “When you pray, say: ‘Father, hallowed be Your name.” – Luke 11:2
2. “in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.” – John 16:23
3. “the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.” John 4:23

Jesus worshipped the Only True God:

1. “ that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3
2. “He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.” – Luke 6:12
3. “the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve,” – Matthew 20:28

Jesus prayed to God:

1. “He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed,” – Matthew 26:39
2. “in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,” – Hebrews 5:7

The disciples did not believe Jesus is God:

1. “Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know” – Acts 2:22
2. “The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, “ – Acts 3:13
3. “God, having raised up His Servant Jesus” – Acts 3:26

The disciples prayed to God:

1. “they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: “Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them,” – Acts 4:24
2. “ Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed,” – Acts 4:27
3. “Your holy Servant Jesus.” – Acts 4:30

Jesus is God’s servant:

1. ““Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased!” – Matthew 12:18

Jesus cannot do anything of himself:

1. “the Son can do nothing of Himself,” – John 5:19
2. “I can of Myself do nothing.” – John 5:30

God Gave Jesus the power to forgive sins:

1. “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” – Matthew 9:6
2. “Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.” – Matthew 9:8

This is the doctrine of demons, Jesus warned about people like you. God confirms that you are cursed, because you preach a false gospel.

Galatians 1:6-12 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

As you can see from Gods Word, you are accursed, this means that the truth is hidden from you so you and you are blind, naked and destitute. Jesus said He is God, and you deny it, so you are in league with Satan. You see Satan does exactly what you do, He quoted scripture to Jesus, just as you quoted scripture to me.

Quoting scripture out of it's intended context, only adds to your condemnation. The Devils abuse Gods Word to push their doctrine, but let me remind you that I am an Elect Saint of God. So you're wasting your time trying to deceive me, because nothing can deceive Gods Elect Saints.

 

[Christian Soldier]

God does this.

To those who received Him, even believing is His Name, to them God gave the right to be born again . . . not by man or man's choice, but born of God.

But if you think that God rebirths unrepentant unbelievers I would heartily disagree with you.

Much love!

Dear Sir, may I remind you that every born again believer, was an unrepentant unbeliever when God regenerated us. I hope you don't believe the heretical teaching that God only saves those who have decided to repent.

The gospel message confirms that, everyone inherited a sin nature from our parents, as such we love our sin and hate God. We are born in bondage to sin and Satan, He is our Master and we are powerless to escape Him or change our nature. We are all born dead in our sin, and a dead man can do nothing but stink.

If God leaves us in our natural state, then we remain dead in our sins and trespasses and we stand condemned with no hope of a pardon or any justification. Gods wrath abides on us and we will be cast into hell and tormented for all eternity.

The only people who are born again, are the unrepentant unbelievers. Gods Word confirms that, we have all gone astray and none seek after God, "NO NOT ONE". So yes, we all were or are unrepentant unbelievers and salvation is of the Lord, lest anyone boast. Repentance and faith are both gifts, which the Lord gives those He chose to save. Dead men can't produce repentance and faith in their dead state, this is why we rely on God 100% for salvation.

The first part of your reply is biblically sound, it's just that the last part is not clear to me, as it can be taken as the individual must make themselves acceptable to God by repenting and believing.
While, Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The above confirms that salvation is a gift, so it's not of ourselves. I'm sorry, if I misunderstood what you were trying to say, but I just had to confirm that you weren't suggesting that repentance and faith originate in a person and they are not gifts from God, given to His elect.