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Church history is a broad spectrum (much broader than the average person thinks or cares) and an issue clarifier. Every person of faith should study it. Few do or want to. My responsibility as a teacher of early church history isn’t to make others decisions for them. My responsibility as a teacher of early church history is to point others to that history as a means (not the only means) of helping them make decisions based on the constraints of history.

Know your place in the church history timeline. Learn your lesson / subject well. Change your place in the timeline, if you’re persuaded that it’s the right thing to do. Stay where you are if you aren’t persuaded to change. That’s what I did as a student. That’s what I do as a teacher.
 

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I can't respond to all your post and references but you are in error-no offense-and it is not "par" but pas or panta.


Granville Sharp's rule states:
When two singular personal nouns are connected by the Greek conjunction καί (and), and the first noun has the article while the second does not, both nouns refer to the same person. This principle supports several key passages where Jesus is identified as God.

Key examples:
Titus 2:13
“Looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ).

According to Sharp’s rule, both “God” (θεοῦ) and “Savior” (σωτῆρος) refer to Jesus.
2 Peter 1:1
“To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.”

Again, “God” (θεοῦ) and “Savior” (σωτῆρος) are connected by the article and conjunction, explicitly affirming Jesus’ deity.
II. Jesus as “God” in the Pauline Epistles

Romans 9:5
“...from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.” (ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας. Ἀμήν.)

The syntax identifies Christ as “God over all” (ὁ ὢν is a present participle meaning "who is," pointing to the Messiah’s divine nature).

Philippians 2:6-11

Verse 6: “Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage.” (ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων).

μορφῇ θεοῦ (morphē theou, “form of God”) shows that Christ shares the very nature of God.

Verse 10: “At the name of Jesus, every knee should bow.”

This is a direct reference to Isaiah 45:23, where God declares that every knee will bow to Him, explicitly applying Yahweh’s prerogative to Jesus.

Colossians 1:15-20

Verse 15: “The Son is the image of the invisible God.” (εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου).

εἰκὼν (eikōn, “image”) refers to Jesus’ perfect representation of God’s essence.

Verse 19: “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.” (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα).

Colossians 2:9
“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” (ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς.)

θεότητος (theotētos) refers to the divine essence, affirming that Jesus possesses all attributes of God in bodily form.

1 Corinthians 8:6
“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came... and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”

Paul distinguishes but does not divide the roles of God the Father and the Lord Jesus. Jesus is the mediator of creation (δι’ οὗ τὰ πάντα), a role that only God has in Jewish theology.

1 Timothy 3:16 (Textus Receptus)
“God was manifest in the flesh.” (Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί).

This directly states the incarnation of God in Christ, identifying Jesus as fully divine.


III. Revelation and the Title “Almighty”
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

While the text initially appears to reference God the Father, the same titles (Alpha and Omega, First and Last) are later applied directly to Jesus:

Revelation 22:13: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Revelation 1:17-18: “I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive forever and ever!”

Clearly, Jesus speaks in Revelation 1:17-18, and the application of divine titles confirms His deity.

Jesus as the Lamb and Almighty
Your claim that Revelation distinguishes between God Almighty and the Lamb does not negate Jesus’ deity but shows His unique role within the Godhead:

Revelation 5:13: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, forever and ever!”
Worship given to both God and the Lamb shows their shared divine status, which would be blasphemy if Christ were not divine
(cf. Isaiah 42:8).

IV. Scriptural References Where Jesus is Directly Called “God”
John 20:28
“Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου).

Isaiah 9:6 (Messianic Prophecy)
“For unto us a child is born... and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God.” (אֵל גִּבּוֹר).

Hebrews 1:8
“But of the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.’” (Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ Θεός).


The New Testament, especially the Pauline epistles, affirms Jesus’ deity explicitly and consistently.

Claims that deny this, such as restricting "Almighty" solely to the Father, misunderstand the unity of the Godhead and the full scope of Christ's identity as both Creator and Redeemer. Through the Granville Sharp rule, context, and clear biblical evidence, Jesus is rightly identified as God, coequal and coeternal with the Father.

03.23 AM here in South Africa @APAK and more than willing to engage you.

J.
Man what stubbornness, set in your ways and careful to stay and travel in the same deep ruts of your same spiritual endless road you travel, to avoid falling off the muddy cliff into the abyss.

So now you avoid 1 Cor 1 altogether and jump to other scripture. Typical from some one will no answers and no truth and will never have the truth, who does not seen to love the truth in scripture and God our Father. Determined and set on your man-made theories for salvation. Shame...and we usually end up the same way in these posts.

Me providing truth and then you digging up not one, but several old useless rabbit holes (trinitarian illusion unreal typical verses) to magnify your ignorance of the truth, to descend into, where I will not go as it is always a waste of time and energy as I usually end up explaining all these shotgun blasted out verses away for the clutches of trinitarianism.

Have you wondered really why you keep doing this ? Cannot help yourself I reckon, like a type of monotheistic-phobia you possess, determined to make a man created by God my Father, his special human being and Son to also be God the creator, my God. Not happening my friend, my salvation depends on not believing this and other associated bold and vicious lies.

Enjoy your fantasies...
 

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Man what stubbornness, set in your ways and careful to stay and travel in the same deep ruts of your same spiritual endless road you travel, to avoid falling off the muddy cliff into the abyss.

So now you avoid 1 Cor 1 altogether and jump to other scripture. Typical from some one will no answers and no truth and will never have the truth, who does not seen to love the truth in scripture and God our Father. Determined and set on your man-made theories for salvation. Shame...and we usually end up the same way in these posts.

Me providing truth and then you digging up not one, but several old useless rabbit holes (trinitarian illusion unreal typical verses) to magnify your ignorance of the truth, to descend into, where I will not go as it is always a waste of time and energy as I usually end up explaining all these shotgun blasted out verses away for the clutches of trinitarianism.

Have you wondered really why you keep doing this ? Cannot help yourself I reckon, like a type of monotheistic-phobia you possess, determined to make a man created by God my Father, his special human being and Son to also be God the creator, my God. Not happening my friend, my salvation depends on not believing this and other associated bold and vicious lies.

Enjoy your fantasies...
Since I share @Johann's view of the effect of the Granville Sharp rule, I wonder if you would accuse me of fantasizing as well. I won't avoid discussion of 1 Cor. 1, if that helps.
 
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Since I share @Johann's view of the effect of the Granville Sharp rule, I wonder if you would accuse me of fantasizing as well. I won't avoid discussion of 1 Cor. 1, if that helps.
A real brave supporter. So what do you have to address with me. Can you elaborate on what you just said or that's it, as most just go away at this point?
 

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A real brave supporter. So what do you have to address with me. Can you elaborate on what you just said or that's it, as most just go away at this point?
Happy to elaborate. I understood your criticism of @Johann's invocation of Granville Sharp to be inconsistent with 1 Cor. 1. I don't see it as inconsistent, and wonder whether (and if so why) you do.
 
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Happy to elaborate. I understood your criticism of @Johann's invocation of Granville Sharp to be inconsistent with 1 Cor. 1. I don't see it as inconsistent, and wonder whether (and if so why) you do.
Look MOST Trinitarians would disagree with you and Johnn. This foolish GS invocation is a lame reason and excuse to support/force yet again another place in scripture for a false Trinitarian view that avoids the context of Pauls' writing and Christ's new creative role with his Father. You do not get this somehow...shame

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The Granville Sharp rule is not directly applicable to 1 Corinthians 1. The rule is typically used to analyze phrases where two nouns, both referring to a single person, are connected by “kai” (and) and have different article usage (e.g., definite article before the first noun and no article before the second noun).

In 1 Corinthians 1, there are no such phrases that meet the specific criteria of the Granville Sharp rule. The chapter primarily discusses the foolishness of the cross, the wisdom of God, and the division within the Corinthian church.

However, if you’re interested in exploring the rule’s application to other passages in 1 Corinthians, here are a few examples:

  • 1 Corinthians 8:6: “yet for us there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ” (ESV). This phrase does not meet the Granville Sharp rule’s criteria, as “God” and “Father” are not connected by “kai” and do not have different article usage.
  • 1 Corinthians 15:24-28: This passage discusses Jesus Christ’s relationship with God the Father and His role as the Son. While it’s a significant passage for understanding Christ’s nature, it doesn’t involve phrases that would apply the Granville Sharp rule.

I suspect you and other like you will try again without success to lay your usual poison down in scripture
 

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Psalm 141:3-4

New International Version

3 Set a guard over my mouth, Lord;
keep watch over the door of my lips
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4 Do not let my heart be drawn to what is evil
so that I take part in wicked deeds
along with those who are evildoers;
do not let me eat their delicacies
 

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Look MOST Trinitarians would disagree with you and Johnn. This foolish GS invocation is a lame reason and excuse to support/force yet again another place in scripture for a false Trinitarian view that avoids the context of Pauls' writing and Christ's new creative role with his Father. You do not get this somehow...shame

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The Granville Sharp rule is not directly applicable to 1 Corinthians 1. The rule is typically used to analyze phrases where two nouns, both referring to a single person, are connected by “kai” (and) and have different article usage (e.g., definite article before the first noun and no article before the second noun).

In 1 Corinthians 1, there are no such phrases that meet the specific criteria of the Granville Sharp rule. The chapter primarily discusses the foolishness of the cross, the wisdom of God, and the division within the Corinthian church.

However, if you’re interested in exploring the rule’s application to other passages in 1 Corinthians, here are a few examples:

  • 1 Corinthians 8:6: “yet for us there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ” (ESV). This phrase does not meet the Granville Sharp rule’s criteria, as “God” and “Father” are not connected by “kai” and do not have different article usage.
  • 1 Corinthians 15:24-28: This passage discusses Jesus Christ’s relationship with God the Father and His role as the Son. While it’s a significant passage for understanding Christ’s nature, it doesn’t involve phrases that would apply the Granville Sharp rule.

I suspect you and other like you will try again without success to lay your usual poison down in scripture
I think this is the first time I've been accused of spewing "poison." I happen to be a Trinitarian. Does that make me poisonous when I post my reasons on a discussion forum (reasons which, by the way, don't generally include Scriptural references, which I find equivocal on the subject)?

I like to engage respectfully. If you will commit to the same, I will engage with you.
 
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I think this is the first time I've been accused of spewing "poison." I happen to be a Trinitarian. Does that make me poisonous when I post my reasons on a discussion forum (reasons which, by the way, don't generally include Scriptural references, which I find equivocal on the subject)?

I like to engage respectfully. If you will commit to the same, I will engage with you.
Well more importantly, you and most probably Johann if he has already read my latest posts did not pay any attention to them. I reckon I was meant to respond on the GS rule for to Col 1 and not 1 Col 1 RF. Johann was very vague on the scripture he was addressing for the GS Rule anyway ..and you missed this of course....so then tell me your view on the GS Rule for 1 Cor 1 instead of Col 1 thenas you volunteered?

You're at bat RF!
 

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Well more importantly, you and most probably Johann if he has already read my latest posts did not pay any attention to them. I reckon I was meant to respond on the GS rule for to Col 1 and not 1 Col 1 RF. Johann was very vague on the scripture he was addressing for the GS Rule anyway ..and you missed this of course....so then tell me your view on the GS Rule for 1 Cor 1 instead of Col 1 thenas you volunteered?

You're at bat RF!
I agree with your post #128 that 1 Cor. does not present an occasion either for confirming or rejecting Granville Sharp. That really was the point I intended to make originally.
 
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Well more importantly, you and most probably Johann if he has already read my latest posts did not pay any attention to them. I reckon I was meant to respond on the GS rule for to Col 1 and not 1 Col 1 RF. Johann was very vague on the scripture he was addressing for the GS Rule anyway ..and you missed this of course....so then tell me your view on the GS Rule for 1 Cor 1 instead of Col 1 thenas you volunteered?

You're at bat RF!
Would you mind editing your post to remove "of course"? It's disrespectful. You have no cause to assume that I am wearing blinders on this issue.
 
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Would you mind editing your post to remove "of course"? It's disrespectful. You have no cause to assume that I am wearing blinders on this issue.
I suggest in the future you might be more forthright and direct in your responses to avoid my type of rely to you and anyone else that seems to gauge or calculate their responses, as I see it. It leaves open the door for thinking in terms of deliberate vagueness and deflection etc..

For the record, I deal is direct communique in truth as my faculties and spirit can bring to bear, and only gauge or plan the intensity of my response as needed, and when needed. I do not like using a sledge hammer when a cobbler tool's will suffice.


Well back to the GSR that I believe Johann meant for me to heed and relook...so here it is @Johann

Now focusing on the Granville Sharp Rule in Colossians 1: and verse 13 ..it comes close and close is not good enough I'm afraid.

Colossians 1:13: “He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

The Granville Sharp Rule is not explicitly applied in Colossians 1:13. The verse describes Jesus as the Son of God, emphasizing His relationship to God the Father, but it does not involve the specific construction (article-noun-καί-noun) that Granville Sharp’s rule addresses.

However, some folks do mention Colossians 1:13 in the context of discussing the Granville Sharp Rule, highlighting its relevance to Christology and the deity of Christ. This rule is then applied, but this is an error, as Colossians 1:13 does not fit the specific grammatical construction that Sharp’s rule examines.
 

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I suggest in the future you might be more forthright and direct in your responses to avoid my type of rely to you and anyone else that seems to gauge or calculate their responses, as I see it. It leaves open the door for thinking in terms of deliberate vagueness and deflection etc..
So this is on me now? You don't think you were being disrespectful without cause?
 
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1 Corinthians 1

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1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

He was called by the will of God, same as a Born Again is called by Gods will..
 

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I see this proposed from time to time: God begets God. In fact, I saw it proposed on the forum this evening in a forum I’m not able to post in. The analogy used was this:

Human begets human. (Would anyone disagree with that? I don’t.)

Dog begets dog. (Would anyone disagree with that? I don’t.)

God begets God. (I disagree with that. It’s inconceivable in Jewish monotheism.)

Does anyone else besides me see a problem with the analogy? Do others see no problem with the analogy? Let’s discuss it.
God did not beget another God, He begot Jesus, the only begotten Son of God.

"Yet I have set My KingOn My holy hill of Zion.”
“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You". Psalm 2:6-7

Jesus' physical flesh was formed in Mary's womb, NOT HIS SPIRIT. HIS physical body died - NOT HIS SPIRIT, which was eternal.

"and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, `Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46

Jesus
"who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross.
Phil. 2:6-8

This is the obstacle that some people ( most of them at the time) tripped over and could not grasp. And scripture states this. Jesus anticipated that people would not readily accept and grasp this concept, that He was God in the flesh. John 1:1-14 explains this. Col. 1:16-17 identifies Jesus as the Creator.
"for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

That is a profound statement, "in Him all things hold together" ( consist). That means every atom in the universe!
When you think of the depth of this statement when Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life"; He is identifying Himself as the source of truth (meaning reality) and life itself - physical and spiritual. He's not pointing to His Father, He is claiming to be the source of everything!

I am the Light of the world ...
I am the Good Shepherd ...
I am the Bread of Life
I am the Door ...
I am the Vine ...
I am the Alpha and Omega
I am He ...
I am the resurrection ...
He is the Savior, the Messiah, All Mighty God.


John clearly presents Jesus deity. It completes the mystery of Who God is and was in the Old Testament, where He introduces Himself to Moses on Ex. 3:14, with a vague introduction: "And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “This is what you shall say to the sons of Israel: I AM has sent me to you.’”
Moses must have scratched his head with that one. But God would gradually reveal Himself, the Great I AM throughout history and more completely in Christ.

The pre-incarnate Jesus ( God), emptied Himself into a human vessel, but relinquished his glory temporarily. Then after He completed His mission, His glory was returned.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

And one must realize that anyone Who has all authority in Heaven and on Earth must be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, the qualities that only God possesses.
 
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Man what stubbornness, set in your ways and careful to stay and travel in the same deep ruts of your same spiritual endless road you travel, to avoid falling off the muddy cliff into the abyss.

So now you avoid 1 Cor 1 altogether and jump to other scripture. Typical from some one will no answers and no truth and will never have the truth, who does not seen to love the truth in scripture and God our Father. Determined and set on your man-made theories for salvation. Shame...and we usually end up the same way in these posts.

Me providing truth and then you digging up not one, but several old useless rabbit holes (trinitarian illusion unreal typical verses) to magnify your ignorance of the truth, to descend into, where I will not go as it is always a waste of time and energy as I usually end up explaining all these shotgun blasted out verses away for the clutches of trinitarianism.

Have you wondered really why you keep doing this ? Cannot help yourself I reckon, like a type of monotheistic-phobia you possess, determined to make a man created by God my Father, his special human being and Son to also be God the creator, my God. Not happening my friend, my salvation depends on not believing this and other associated bold and vicious lies.

Enjoy your fantasies...
I will, thank you-because I know who my Savior is, and it’s your responsibility to refute the verses I have provided, which you cannot.

J.
 
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Well back to the GSR that I believe Johann meant for me to heed and relook...so here it is @Johann
Sharp’s Rule, formulated by Granville Sharp in the 18th century, states:

When two singular, personal, and non-proper nouns of the same case are connected by the conjunction kai ("and"), and the article (ho) precedes only the first noun, both nouns refer to the same person.

In simpler terms:
If the definite article (ho) appears only before the first noun and both nouns are singular and personal, they describe one individual.

Scripture References
1. Titus 2:13
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Θεοῦ (God).
Θεοῦ (God) and σωτῆρος (Savior) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, making them refer to the same person.
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ: Identifies Jesus Christ as the one who is both God and Savior.

2. 2 Peter 1:1
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
Συμεὼν Πέτρος δοῦλος καὶ ἀπόστολος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῖς ἰσότιμον ἡμῖν λαχοῦσιν πίστιν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Θεοῦ (God).
Θεοῦ (God) and σωτῆρος (Savior) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, indicating they refer to the same person.
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ: Identifies Jesus as both God and Savior.

3. Ephesians 5:5
"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
τοῦτο γὰρ ἴστε ὅτι πᾶς πόρνος ἢ ἀκάθαρτος ἢ πλεονέκτης ὅς ἐστιν εἰδωλολάτρης οὐκ ἔχει κληρονομίαν ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ Θεοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ Θεοῦ:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Χριστοῦ (Christ).
Χριστοῦ (Christ) and Θεοῦ (God) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, indicating they refer to the same person.
This passage refers to the kingdom of Christ and God, with the grammar identifying Christ as God.

4. Jude 1:4
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
τὸν μόνον δεσπότην Θεὸν καὶ Κύριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν

Analysis:

τὸν μόνον δεσπότην Θεὸν καὶ Κύριον:
Article (τὸν): Appears only once, before δεσπότην (Master).
δεσπότην (Master) and Θεὸν (God) and Κύριον (Lord) are singular, personal, and in the accusative case.
καὶ (and): Links the terms, identifying Jesus as the one who is Master, God, and Lord.
Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν: Names Jesus explicitly as the one referenced.


In these passages, Sharp’s Rule reinforces the interpretation that Jesus Christ is identified as God, based on the structure of the Greek text. The rule applies where nouns like God (Θεός), Savior (Σωτήρ), Lord (Κύριος), or similar titles are linked with Jesus Christ through grammatical construction. These texts are theological affirmations of Jesus’ divinity within the Textus Receptus.

@RedFan-see if you agree and @APAK what comes out of your mouth is not from the Spirit and NOT edifying-have a conversation with RF.

Sharp's Rule-Reasons for Reliability

Linguistic Consistency:

Greek grammar in Koine (New Testament Greek) supports the logic of Sharp’s Rule. Similar constructions in Greek literature outside the New Testament demonstrate that this structure tends to refer to a single entity.

Scriptural Evidence:
The rule aligns well with several New Testament passages that affirm Christ’s divinity, such as Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. These passages explicitly connect titles like God (Θεός) and Savior (Σωτήρ) to Jesus Christ.

Wider Scholarly Support:
Most Greek scholars and grammarians (including Daniel Wallace, A.T. Robertson, and Bruce Metzger) accept Sharp’s Rule as valid and consistent with Greek syntax.

Strengths of the Rule
Clarifies Christ’s Divinity:
Passages where the rule applies (e.g., Titus 2:13) explicitly identify Jesus as both God and Savior, countering interpretations that try to separate the roles of God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Supported by Historical Usage:
Other ancient Greek writers (outside Scripture) often use the same grammatical structure to describe a single person when meeting Sharp’s criteria.

Textual Precision:
The rule relies on careful observation of article usage and case forms, which are critical features of Greek grammar.

Limitations and Considerations

Exceptions in Non-Personal Nouns:
Sharp’s Rule only applies to singular, personal nouns. For example, it does not apply to phrases involving non-personal or plural nouns (e.g., "faith and truth").

Ambiguity in Some Texts:

In some instances, context might suggest that two distinct persons are being referenced, even if the grammar theoretically fits Sharp’s Rule.

Dependency on Manuscript Variants:

The rule applies specifically to texts in the Greek New Testament, particularly the Textus Receptus or critical editions like the Nestle-Aland 28th edition. Differences in manuscript traditions can sometimes affect the grammatical structure being analyzed.

Misuse or Overextension:

Critics sometimes argue that the rule is overstated to "prove" theological points. However, its proper application is limited to contexts where the grammar and syntax meet the precise conditions Sharp outlined.

Challenges to the Rule

Some critics have suggested that Sharp’s Rule might not be universally applicable, arguing that exceptions exist in non-biblical Greek texts. However, these exceptions often involve either plural nouns, proper names, or different syntactical contexts that do not meet Sharp’s strict criteria.


The Granville Sharp Rule is a reliable and well-supported grammatical principle for interpreting New Testament Greek. While not without limitations, it remains a robust tool for understanding key Christological passages. Its proper application—aligned with careful contextual and grammatical analysis—provides strong evidence for the New Testament's portrayal of Jesus as both God and Savior.

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Sharp’s Rule, formulated by Granville Sharp in the 18th century, states:

When two singular, personal, and non-proper nouns of the same case are connected by the conjunction kai ("and"), and the article (ho) precedes only the first noun, both nouns refer to the same person.

In simpler terms:
If the definite article (ho) appears only before the first noun and both nouns are singular and personal, they describe one individual.

Scripture References
1. Titus 2:13
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Θεοῦ (God).
Θεοῦ (God) and σωτῆρος (Savior) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, making them refer to the same person.
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ: Identifies Jesus Christ as the one who is both God and Savior.

2. 2 Peter 1:1
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
Συμεὼν Πέτρος δοῦλος καὶ ἀπόστολος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῖς ἰσότιμον ἡμῖν λαχοῦσιν πίστιν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Θεοῦ (God).
Θεοῦ (God) and σωτῆρος (Savior) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, indicating they refer to the same person.
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ: Identifies Jesus as both God and Savior.

3. Ephesians 5:5
"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
τοῦτο γὰρ ἴστε ὅτι πᾶς πόρνος ἢ ἀκάθαρτος ἢ πλεονέκτης ὅς ἐστιν εἰδωλολάτρης οὐκ ἔχει κληρονομίαν ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ Θεοῦ

Analysis:

τοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ Θεοῦ:
Article (τοῦ): Appears only once, before Χριστοῦ (Christ).
Χριστοῦ (Christ) and Θεοῦ (God) are singular, personal, and in the genitive case.
καὶ (and): Connects the two nouns, indicating they refer to the same person.
This passage refers to the kingdom of Christ and God, with the grammar identifying Christ as God.

4. Jude 1:4
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

Greek (Textus Receptus):
τὸν μόνον δεσπότην Θεὸν καὶ Κύριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν

Analysis:

τὸν μόνον δεσπότην Θεὸν καὶ Κύριον:
Article (τὸν): Appears only once, before δεσπότην (Master).
δεσπότην (Master) and Θεὸν (God) and Κύριον (Lord) are singular, personal, and in the accusative case.
καὶ (and): Links the terms, identifying Jesus as the one who is Master, God, and Lord.
Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν: Names Jesus explicitly as the one referenced.


In these passages, Sharp’s Rule reinforces the interpretation that Jesus Christ is identified as God, based on the structure of the Greek text. The rule applies where nouns like God (Θεός), Savior (Σωτήρ), Lord (Κύριος), or similar titles are linked with Jesus Christ through grammatical construction. These texts are theological affirmations of Jesus’ divinity within the Textus Receptus.

@RedFan-see if you agree and @APAK what comes out of your mouth is not from the Spirit and NOT edifying-have a conversation with RF.

Sharp's Rule-Reasons for Reliability

Linguistic Consistency:

Greek grammar in Koine (New Testament Greek) supports the logic of Sharp’s Rule. Similar constructions in Greek literature outside the New Testament demonstrate that this structure tends to refer to a single entity.

Scriptural Evidence:
The rule aligns well with several New Testament passages that affirm Christ’s divinity, such as Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. These passages explicitly connect titles like God (Θεός) and Savior (Σωτήρ) to Jesus Christ.

Wider Scholarly Support:
Most Greek scholars and grammarians (including Daniel Wallace, A.T. Robertson, and Bruce Metzger) accept Sharp’s Rule as valid and consistent with Greek syntax.

Strengths of the Rule
Clarifies Christ’s Divinity:
Passages where the rule applies (e.g., Titus 2:13) explicitly identify Jesus as both God and Savior, countering interpretations that try to separate the roles of God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Supported by Historical Usage:
Other ancient Greek writers (outside Scripture) often use the same grammatical structure to describe a single person when meeting Sharp’s criteria.

Textual Precision:
The rule relies on careful observation of article usage and case forms, which are critical features of Greek grammar.

Limitations and Considerations

Exceptions in Non-Personal Nouns:
Sharp’s Rule only applies to singular, personal nouns. For example, it does not apply to phrases involving non-personal or plural nouns (e.g., "faith and truth").

Ambiguity in Some Texts:

In some instances, context might suggest that two distinct persons are being referenced, even if the grammar theoretically fits Sharp’s Rule.

Dependency on Manuscript Variants:

The rule applies specifically to texts in the Greek New Testament, particularly the Textus Receptus or critical editions like the Nestle-Aland 28th edition. Differences in manuscript traditions can sometimes affect the grammatical structure being analyzed.

Misuse or Overextension:

Critics sometimes argue that the rule is overstated to "prove" theological points. However, its proper application is limited to contexts where the grammar and syntax meet the precise conditions Sharp outlined.

Challenges to the Rule

Some critics have suggested that Sharp’s Rule might not be universally applicable, arguing that exceptions exist in non-biblical Greek texts. However, these exceptions often involve either plural nouns, proper names, or different syntactical contexts that do not meet Sharp’s strict criteria.


The Granville Sharp Rule is a reliable and well-supported grammatical principle for interpreting New Testament Greek. While not without limitations, it remains a robust tool for understanding key Christological passages. Its proper application—aligned with careful contextual and grammatical analysis—provides strong evidence for the New Testament's portrayal of Jesus as both God and Savior.

If you need help or assistance @RedFan just give me a shout brother.

Johann.

For a deep dive, this link -- distilled from Daniel Wallace's PhD. dissertation -- is pretty good. Wallace has a nice conclusion: “Consequently, in Titus 2:13 and 2 Pet 1:1 we are compelled to recognize that, on a grammatical level, a heavy burden of proof rests with the one who wishes to deny that 'God and Savior' refers to one person, God.”
 
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