The Bible is not “Gods Word.” It's simply "The Bible."

[Wrangler]

Why is that?

The expression itself is figurative. Sadly, some take it literally. Sure, it contains some literal words of God. However, an honest assessment of the text reveals that is a very small portion of the collection of books.

I like to put it this way. The word of God, God's word, the Bible, Scripture what have you, should be considered the top book every human being should read.

Most Christians who ever lived heard the contents as opposed to read it and that includes today. The RCC, for instance, has a repeating homily that recites the entire Bible every 3 years.

For those more enthralled, there is no substitute for delving into it yourself.

If you disagree with an interpretation

I hate KJVO-ism.

 

[marks]

Hello @marks,

It’s suspected, that Moses wrote the first four or five books of the Bible. Everyone suggest that God is the author?

It’s weird how people worship the Bible more than they listen to Jesus words of worshiping the Father in the spirit and in truth.

God's Spirit moved the writers in what they would write, so that God Himself is the actual Author of the Bible. That's according to the Bible, so, you have the option to consider this to be just a man's opinion that you may or may not hold.

I take it to be "Gospel Truth".

Something I don't understand is why you would make this leap that because I think the Bible is God's revealed truth that this means somehow that I worship the Bible more than God, Who wrote it, or that this means somehow I am not worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

We don't ignore the writer of the letter, and we don't ignore the letter, as that would be ignoring the writer also. Or so it seems to me.

Much love!

 

[MA2444]

THe Devil (the demonic) will talk inside your head as if you are thinking it...as if it was your thought.
So, the way to make sure it isnt that, if that thought seems like an answer..or a direction..... is to make certain the answer lines up with the NT.

You said a mouthful there Brother! I've been paying attention to the voices in my head for a long time now, lol. There's three voices for the most part and if you get used to listening to them you start to see that they are distinctly different in how they talk. So hard to learn but easy to do to understand who said that? My spirit and conscience or my carnal mind and will? Or my heart mixed with my conscience? I've had the Holy Spirit tal to me on special occasion when I was trying to hide from 3 teams of Police officers who were searching for me. Puleese don't let me be arrested Lord! And it was like He turned up the volume for me! Turn left here, walk right at the corner...rest here...get up go quickly left...and that went on for the better part of an hour and all of a sudden, k you can go home now, it's safe...!!

I kind of taught myself how to hear the still small voice of the Lord. I started inviting the Lord to ride with me wherever I go and just talk to Him all day long. Scripture says if we don't become as little children we wont go to heaven. So seeing as how no one taught me how to live as a spirit being I had to start over like a kid who is just learning.. SO I did and if Jesus is the friend that sticks closer than a Brother, then yes Lord, ride with me! And I would talk His ear off. and then pause and listen and it started as ask the question and the first thing that pops into your head is considered to be His answer. It might be a statement or a question or even a scripture. Ok I got that, now does that make sense as an answer to what I asked Him? Does it agree with scripture? And at first I got all sorts of answers. A lot of my carnal mind complaining and sowing doubt, that aint the Lord! And over time I seen the distinction between them in their speech mannerisms and stuff. Jesus talks just like He did in scripture! He always says things in just the right way which encourages you and gives you understanding.

Now I'm not saying that I like everything He has said to me, but I'm working on it. He speaks with no condemnation. He talks like a cool big brother! Only better. I invited Him to the grocery store with me. Should I buy this Lord? (No). What about this Lord? (nope). Lol! Man I want to be more in tune with His thinking! You get sensitive to the Lord speaking inside of you and once you start hearing it...it doesn't go away! Wake up! Like David in Psalm's, if I got to the mountain, you are there, if I make my bed in sheol, behold, you are there! It's like that. So it's nice being able to hear His still small voice inside of you. He told me He wants His people to learn to hear His still small voice and when they hear it, obey it immediately for it may be time sensitive.

I asked him to gift me Discernment and I'm still figuring out what He said! He said to practice discernment look for Him in other people.

Whoa.

 

[MA2444]

The Bible is, without a doubt, God's infallible Word. Regardless of whether you can see and comprehend it or not, it is the Word of God.
Isaiah 40:5 (KJV) And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

I also realized that the originals were on the scrolls and tablets and they did make a lot of different translations, but this doesnt matter because reading a bad translation wont stop the Holy Spirit from going, Whoooosh into that room when you crack it open. You can find God with any translation even if there is mistakes in it. Because the Holy Spirit is the person and not a book so mans feeble translation He can still work with!

So all those people who wont read it because of poor translations and people who say it's not accurate are just making excuses. The Holy Spirit is still waiting for you to open that book.

 

[IronMaiden]

I also realized that the originals were on the scrolls and tablets and they did make a lot of different translations, but this doesnt matter because reading a bad translation wont stop the Holy Spirit from going, Whoooosh into that room when you crack it open. You can find God with any translation even if there is mistakes in it. Because the Holy Spirit is the person and not a book so mans feeble translation He can still work with!

So all those people who wont read it because of poor translations and people who say it's not accurate are just making excuses. The Holy Spirit is still waiting for you to open that book.

Right on! None of us can have perfect understanding of the Bible, but whatever we do understand is invaluable. It’s God’s voice we’re hearing through the Holy Spirit. And the more we read it, it’s like manna from heaven!

 

[MA2444]

God's Spirit moved the writers in what they would write, so that God Himself is the actual Author of the Bible. That's according to the Bible, so, you have the option to consider this to be just a man's opinion that you may or may not hold.

I take it to be "Gospel Truth".

Something I don't understand is why you would make this leap that because I think the Bible is God's revealed truth that this means somehow that I worship the Bible more than God, Who wrote it, or that this means somehow I am not worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

We don't ignore the writer of the letter, and we don't ignore the letter, as that would be ignoring the writer also. Or so it seems to me.

Much love!

Exactly. I agree. And the book is special because the words contained in it have power because of who spoke them. This is how it is able to read you as you read it and cut down into you with convictions...or it can put affirmations in your heart and this all provokes thought and mediation. No other book does that. That book is alive just like it says. It's our Field Manual for the Spiritual War.

Welcome to the war. You was born into a war that you didn't start. Behind enemy lines. You have amnesia! You can't even remember your mission that Headquarters gave you before you left. You have a Radio in your pack (Prayer). And you have a field manual. So in that situation, who don't read the field manual? We have to get a clue and that's where we get it. The Field Manual of God.

Just a book they say, ha! One of our most vital pieces of equipment, the Holy Bible...

 

[Verily]

Hello @JohnDB,

Jesus is the Word of God, made flesh. Not the Bible. The spirit overrides the Bible though the Bible is helpful in us knowing information.

Jesus is the Word made flesh who did speak words the words of God, which are spirit and life.

You can establish a chain

Jesus said,

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me (Exod 4:15), I speak these things.

As here

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Nest verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

The word Jesus had spoken would be required of whoever will not hearken unto them as Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So the word that Jesus (who is the Word made flesh) has spoken.

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

He then gives these the words that were given him of the Father

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And he prayed also for those who would receive the word of God by these

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

And the word of God is being received as it should be by such as these

1 Thes 2:12 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,
which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Jesus speaks of me AND my words, and that his words were not even his, that His doctrine was not his but the one who sent him, which was the Father's.

 

[Rockerduck]

The Holy Spirit gives me scriptures to study. It's God's word, and its in the KJB bible he told me to buy.

 

[MatthewG]

The Bible is, without a doubt, God's infallible Word. Regardless of whether you can see and comprehend it or not, it is the Word of God.
Isaiah 40:5 (KJV) And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

Hello LatterRain,

Doesn't make sense... It's a gift if anything. Just quoting this passages doesn't make the bible "infallible." Does it? If it's Gods infallible word, to you - do you also follow everything that it says inside of it?

If no, wouldn't the question be "Why don't you follow God's word?"
If yes, I wouldn't believe you.

 

[MatthewG]

The expression itself is figurative. Sadly, some take it literally. Sure, it contains some literal words of God. However, an honest assessment of the text reveals that is a very small portion of the collection of books.

I like to put it this way. The word of God, God's word, the Bible, Scripture what have you, should be considered the top book every human being should read.

Most Christians who ever lived heard the contents as opposed to read it and that includes today. The RCC, for instance, has a repeating homily that recites the entire Bible every 3 years.

For those more enthralled, there is no substitute for delving into it yourself.


I hate KJVO-ism.

Hello @Wrangler,

Why not just make it simple and just say "The Bible." I'm okay with whatever version a person wants to use just as well as you. You are right though people do take it way to seriously, and literally. It's a wonder if it's so literal, why don't they follow every bit of it.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus is the Word made flesh who did speak words the words of God, which are spirit and life.

You can establish a chain

Jesus said,

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me (Exod 4:15), I speak these things.

As here

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Nest verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

The word Jesus had spoken would be required of whoever will not hearken unto them as Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So the word that Jesus (who is the Word made flesh) has spoken.

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

He then gives these the words that were given him of the Father

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And he prayed also for those who would receive the word of God by these

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

And the word of God is being received as it should be by such as these

1 Thes 2:12 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God,
which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Jesus speaks of me AND my words, and that his words were not even his, that His doctrine was not his but the one who sent him, which was the Father's.

Hello @Verily,

Great chain connection and I agree. This thread is basically saying that just because someone has an differing interpretation of how to understand that bible it's all called upon us to love one another... that is the maturity in Christ Jesus. Not this whole bargin banter show.

Because while some care, and some do not. The overall view is that the Bible is the simply the Bible... people use it for good and people use it for bad. If it can be used in this way... it doesn't mean it is the Spirit of God. It's a material bible, that is a gift... if it is anything.

 

[Ritajanice]

it doesn't mean it is the Spirit of God

Of course it’s not the Spirit Of God...

 

[MA2444]

Hello @Wrangler,

Why not just make it simple and just say "The Bible." I'm okay with whatever version a person wants to use just as well as you. You are right though people do take it way to seriously, and literally. It's a wonder if it's so literal, why don't they follow every bit of it.

It's got to do with mankind being slow learners and not having been perfected yet. I do do what it says. It say that I would do I do not, and that that I would not do that I do, So we're on this human journey and under so much demonic oppression that it's a wonder we can ever do anything right!

Besides, who are you to demand perfection from people who read the Bible?

 

[MA2444]

Hello @Verily,

Great chain connection and I agree. This thread is basically saying that just because someone has an differing interpretation of how to understand that bible it's all called upon us to love one another... that is the maturity in Christ Jesus. Not this whole bargin banter show.

Because while some care, and some do not. The overall view is that the Bible is the simply the Bible... people use it for good and people use it for bad. If it can be used in this way... it doesn't mean it is the Spirit of God. It's a material bible, that is a gift... if it is anything.

Bargain banter show? Excuse me christian brother but did you just put the word of God down? Why would you do that? If you don't read the bible, that is your personal choice but you shouldn't go around putting it down and putting down us people who do like to read it.

If you don't read it, how do you feed your spirit?

 

[IronMaiden]

Hello LatterRain,

Doesn't make sense... It's a gift if anything. Just quoting this passages doesn't make the bible "infallible." Does it? If it's Gods infallible word, to you - do you also follow everything that it says inside of it?

If no, wouldn't the question be "Why don't you follow God's word?"
If yes, I wouldn't believe you.

I’m truly sorry it doesn’t make sense to you.

 

[Wrangler]

Hello @Wrangler,

Why not just make it simple and just say "The Bible." I'm okay with whatever version a person wants to use just as well as you. You are right though people do take it way to seriously, and literally. It's a wonder if it's so literal, why don't they follow every bit of it.

Best not to try to figure people out. We are brimming with pride and prejudices, emotions and irrationalities. LOL The Miracle is how frequently we transcend our base nature to effectively deal with this fallen world.

When people say inflammatory things, I recognize it reveals their worldview and puts no burden on me to reconcile it with mine. One of the best gifts you can ever give yourself is letting go of the need to defend yourself, e.g., I don’t use word X to describe that.

I once was in a church small group about parenting stepchildren. I’d tell stories and say ‘my wife.’ One member felt it her place to interrupt my story to demand why I don’t use the name of my wife. My simple answer is this is my story and this is how I tell it.

Week after week this repeated. It got to the point that other members provided my answer before I could. This dynamic revealed that she is controlling. If she doesn’t like how I tell my story that is in her; I am under no obligation to alter my word choice to accommodate her preferences. And neither are those who say ‘word of God.’

Hope this helps.

 

[MatthewG]

I’m truly sorry it doesn’t make sense to you.

Hello @LatterRain,

Jesus doesn't make sense to people either. It's all good. I'm just talking about a subject which I find to be way out there in the world today, which doesn't seem to fit together, ... With God being Spirit, and the Bible just being a material reference guide to where people are at spiritually in their life, though the material itself is just words on a page. Unlike God's actual Word, that created light, and came into the world born of the Spirit and of the Flesh, that became to be known and named as Yeshua, who died, was buried, and was risen again by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah.

Best not to try to figure people out. We are brimming with pride and prejudices, emotions and irrationalities. LOL The Miracle is how frequently we transcend our base nature to effectively deal with this fallen world.

When people say inflammatory things, I recognize it reveals their worldview and puts no burden on me to reconcile it with mine. One of the best gifts you can ever give yourself is letting go of the need to defend yourself, e.g., I don’t use word X to describe that.

I once was in a church small group about parenting stepchildren. I’d tell stories and say ‘my wife.’ One member felt it her place to interrupt my story to demand why I don’t use the name of my wife. My simple answer is this is my story and this is how I tell it.

Week after week this repeated. It got to the point that other members provided my answer before I could. This dynamic revealed that she is controlling. If she doesn’t like how I tell my story that is in her; I am under no obligation to alter my word choice to accommodate her preferences. And neither are those who say ‘word of God.’

Hope this helps.

Hello @Wrangler,

Talking about a subject or topic is fine. There are people that are in churches who use their 'so-called powers' to harm people. "Because God said so, or that because the devil made them do it." "God said so because the bible is the WORD OF GOD, or it's GODS WORD."
Abuse all together.

 

[MatthewG]

Bargain banter show? Excuse me christian brother but did you just put the word of God down? Why would you do that? If you don't read the bible, that is your personal choice but you shouldn't go around putting it down and putting down us people who do like to read it.

If you don't read it, how do you feed your spirit?

Hello @MA2444,

Can you point out in a single quote at any time where I suggest that no one should ever read the bible? You wont find one. Are you confused by the original post? Because I would like to try to make clear direct posts, if it is possible and not confusing ones.

 

[MatthewG]

The Holy Spirit gives me scriptures to study. It's God's word, and its in the KJB bible he told me to buy.

Hello @Rockerduck,

Any Bible will do, some people are contingent on which they prefer. Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. - Reading the bible is helpful in building up the faith of a persons faithful standing concerning their new lives in being born again. The bible is the bible though, and God's Word, was made flesh, name Jesus, born of the flesh and of the spirit.

 

[MatthewG]

God's Spirit moved the writers in what they would write, so that God Himself is the actual Author of the Bible. That's according to the Bible, so, you have the option to consider this to be just a man's opinion that you may or may not hold.

I take it to be "Gospel Truth".

Something I don't understand is why you would make this leap that because I think the Bible is God's revealed truth that this means somehow that I worship the Bible more than God, Who wrote it, or that this means somehow I am not worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

We don't ignore the writer of the letter, and we don't ignore the letter, as that would be ignoring the writer also. Or so it seems to me.

Much love!

Hello @marks,

Everyone make choices marks. You know that. Whether people agree or disagree in the end it's the heart that matters. The heart is not a book, but it has many stories to tell concerning the experience of the soul that passes away from this life. When you say we, are you speaking in general or a group of people? It's not a far leap to suggest that God's Word, came down from heaven, and was born of flesh and of the spirit, name Jesus. It's a huge leap to say the bible is "Gods Word." Because even the bible can be used for good and bad... because it's not the holy spirit of God, its a material book, written by mean who was inspired by Yahavah to write. Some people believe this is life or death we are talking about when it truly is not.