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Romans 10:17 (KJV)
So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Hearing the word, does not bring your spirit Alive, you may well have faith, but it’s not the same supernatural faith I have...we are Born Again by the Living Holy Spirit.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...that’s why I couldn’t understand why you can’t give a living testimony ...proclaiming the power of God in you , when he chose to birth your spirit.

Different levels of faith I believe.
 

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Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Spirit gives birth to spirit..you don’t understand the Living spiritual rebirth, when Gods seed penetrates our spirit and it becomes reborn @LatterRain

Hearing the word, does not bring your spirit Alive, you may well have faith, but it’s not the same supernatural faith that I have...we are Born Again by the Living Holy Spirit...our spirit is Born Again by supernatural divine heart revelation, as the Spirit indwells our spirit he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, he talks to our spirit, that’s what testifies mean.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...that’s why I couldn’t understand why you can’t give a living testimony ...proclaiming the power of God in you , when he chose to birth your spirit.

Different levels of faith I believe.
 

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Short commentary.

Apparently wether true not sure.

The Bible is clear that Christians have different degrees of faith. Abraham was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God (Rom. 4:20). It is possible for your faith to be strengthened.
 

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Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
We are Born Again then we are saved from damnation .ive already explained to you many times that faith is a supernatural gift from God..

Your faith is different to my faith...we are on different levels..

Its the Spirit who testifies of the power of God and how he brought my spirit Alive in Christ..out of my mouth, I’m just the vessel that he uses to proclaim that God is a Living Spirit....

John 3

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
 
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I knew it, amigo. I have listened to her for many years.
You shouldn’t be listening to a her or a he, you should only be listening to the Living Holy Spirit, who should be indwelling your spirit, teaching/ helping you to understand scripture.

Plus he should be making you into Jesus image, also we should bear Jesus fruit...because he’s at work in our hearts from the moment we become Born Again..I can only hear/ listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit...not man nor woman....I test the spirits...as I have the gift of discernment .
 

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Rita, when we come to Christ and receive the indwelling Holy Spirit we become a new creation (2Kor 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.), a baby in the faith (Hebr 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.) and all our thoughts need to be rearranged (Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.) growing in maturity (Hebr 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God).

What does the Holy Spirit say?
 

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Rita, when we come to Christ and receive the indwelling Holy Spirit we become a new creation (2Kor 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.), a baby in the faith (Hebr 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.) and all our thoughts need to be rearranged (Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.) growing in maturity (Hebr 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God).

What does the Holy Spirit say?
Please don’t start telling me how you came to believe..or forcing what you believe onto me that is your own testimony,..I came to believe by the power of God via his Holy Spirit, who is Alive and Active in me....his way I came to believe and was Born Again by the power of His Living Spirit....not your way..

I have shared my testimony many times and it lines up with scripture,

Now @ProDeo ..you don’t understand how I became Born Again . do you understand that the Holy Spirit is a Living Spirit?,,do you know that his seed remains in you?.if so by whose witness and where in you does he reside?..
We all believe we are Born Again, we can’t prove it.
We are all at different levels of faith and my gift of Faith is certainly not the same as yours..and you will never be able to fathom my faith out, so don’t even try to.

So best you mind your business of faith and I will mind mine...I will never deny the Living God and I will always proclaim he is a mighty powerful God, as I have his Living witness residing in my spirit and I am his mouth piece..on saying that.,I’m not saying it’s always him that speaks through me...as the old man still pops up from time to time, like he does in us all, as we can see on this thread..


Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
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17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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You have to be brought to believe in the Name Of Jesus by God...you have no power in you to believe in the Name Of Jesus.

You cannot draw yourself to the Son and if you believe in Jesus then you must be Born Again, we believe in Jesus in our spirit, because we have been gifted supernatural faith..Spirit gives birth to spirit, only then can you say Jesus is Lord, because we have been supernaturally birthed by divine heart revevelation.

@Marvelloustime by whose witness can you say that Jesus is Lord?

And where in us is that truth witnessed?
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Och aye, the Father draws us to His son the Lord Jesus Christ and then Jesus reveals the Father to us. It’s by grace we are saved and not of ourselves. Yes, spirit does give birth to spirit, as so does flesh give birth to flesh. But you must, must, must and must again believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved and have eternal life. If you don’t have the spirit of Christ in you, then you are none of His. That one is Romans 8. save-image.pngsave-image.png
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Och aye, the Father draws us to His son the Lord Jesus Christ and then Jesus reveals the Father to us
The Holy Spirit revealed the Father to my spirit, when I became Born Of The Spirit.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God..,therefore I could only know that Jesus was Lord, after I received supernatural faith by divine heart revelation.became Born Again, my spirit was reborn...

You obviously received Jesus a different way to me, hence different levels of faith, I think that is where we have misunderstood one another on this thread.

Epi also has been misunderstood, again the Spirit also speaks to him in a different way, he to is on a different level of faith than we are.....we’re all at different levels of faith, which does make sense to me ... ...let’s hope we can all get along now and respect each other’s faith.

The Spirit speaks to us all in different ways that we understand.

Are you Scottish @Marvelloustime ?
 

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and all our thoughts need to be rearranged
Our thoughts are developed by the power of the Spirit within us, as our spirit is in Christ, therefore the renewing of our minds will develop more to be like Christ, as we have the mind of Christ, the moment our spirit becomes Born Again, the Spirit starts the developing process.

1 Corinthians 2:16 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (Read More...)

Philippians 2:5 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

1 Corinthians 2:13-16 - Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (Read More...)

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 Peter 1:13 - Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Philippians 2:5-11 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus


Also as soon as we are birthed, we receive spiritual eyes and ears, I remember the Spirit showing me his creation through his eyes, after I became Born Again, he testified of his creation to my spirit , he is Gods mouthpiece so to speak, he does the will of the Father on earth, we also walk in Gods will as we are his spirit children, his seed remains in us, and we will never lose our salvation/ his Spirit can never leave our spirit...as it’s been reborn,the Spirit is the only one who can help us develop our eyes and ears..
 
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The Holy Spirit revealed the Father to my spirit, when I became Born Of The Spirit.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God..,therefore I could only know that Jesus was Lord, after I received supernatural faith by divine heart revelation.became Born Again, my spirit was reborn...

You obviously received Jesus a different way to me, hence different levels of faith, I think that is where we have misunderstood one another on this thread.

Epi also has been misunderstood, again the Spirit also speaks to him in a different way, he to is on a different level of faith than we are.....we’re all at different levels of faith, which does make sense to me ... ...let’s hope we can all get along now and respect each other’s faith.

The Spirit speaks to us all in different ways that we understand.

Are you Scottish @Marvelloustime ?
When my mum died on October 6th 2018, that was when the Lord drew me to Him. My mum was a Christian and a strong believer in the Lord Jesus. So there was (and is) no doubt in my mind that my mum is Home with the Lord.

My mum was on the south coast of England and I was living on the north coast of the far north of the highlands in Scotland. Extreme ends of the country. So unfortunately I never got to see her in her end days.

But the Lord became so real to me after her departure. I realized just how real Heaven is and that we must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved and have that everlasting life in paradise. My mum had reached the end of her time down here and she was finally Home. Home, all because of what the Lord Jesus did for us. The whole of eternity and the Lord just became so clear and real to me.

Out came my laptop and downloaded Bible dot com and all I longed for was to read the Bible. I was in a lot of prayer to the Lord too. I also wanted fellowship with other Christians. Living where we were was difficult to find fellowship, so I looked online for Christian forums. I found a site and joined it in November 2018. I have met several brothers and sisters since. One particular brother I am still daily in contact with and we do lovely bible reads together and have daily fellowship.

I’m not actually Scottish @Ritajanice but I do get asked that quite a bit. It’s because I lived all over Scotland for 10 years. I don’t live there now, as my late husband, (who suddenly died in May 2020), moved us back to England in August 2019, as he wanted to live nearer to his grown up son. I do often miss a lot of Scotland though. I was actually brought up on the south coast of England.
 
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@Marvelloustime because you said och aye...my mother was from Lossiemouth Scotland , I lived up there for a number of years, a bit to cold for my liking...we had the most beautiful sandy beaches in Lossiemouth, with the lovely sand dunes, with hardly a soul on the beach which stretched for miles.
 
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Please don’t start telling me how you came to believe..or forcing what you believe onto me that is your own testimony,..I came to believe by the power of God via his Holy Spirit, who is Alive and Active in me....his way I came to believe and was Born Again by the power of His Living Spirit....not your way..
Actually we are on the same page here.
..and you will never be able to fathom my faith out, so don’t even try to.
Okay, and I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.
 
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When my mum died on October 6th 2018, that was when the Lord drew me to Him. My mum was a Christian and a strong believer in the Lord Jesus. So there was (and is) no doubt in my mind that my mum is Home with the Lord.

My mum was on the south coast of England and I was living on the north coast of the far north of the highlands in Scotland. Extreme ends of the country. So unfortunately I never got to see her in her end days.

But the Lord became so real to me after her departure. I realized just how real Heaven is and that we must believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved and have that everlasting life in paradise. My mum had reached the end of her time down here and she was finally Home. Home, all because of what the Lord Jesus did for us. The whole of eternity and the Lord just became so clear and real to me.

Out came my laptop and downloaded Bible dot com and all I longed for was to read the Bible. I was in a lot of prayer to the Lord too. I also wanted fellowship with other Christians. Living where we were was difficult to find fellowship, so I looked online for Christian forums. I found a site and joined it in November 2018. I have met several brothers and sisters since. One particular brother I am still daily in contact with and we do lovely bible reads together and have daily fellowship.

I’m not actually Scottish @Ritajanice but I do get asked that quite a bit. It’s because I lived all over Scotland for 10 years. I don’t live there now, as my late husband, (who suddenly died in May 2020), moved us back to England in August 2019, as he wanted to live nearer to his grown up son. I do often miss a lot of Scotland though. I was actually brought up on the south coast of England.
Incredible! We've a bonnie Scottish lassie in oor midst, aye!
Are ye still ragin' wi' me ower whit happened wi' Amigo and me @Marvelloustime?

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This is false. We are saved by partaking of His life in holiness.

We are saved by Jesus on The Cross who is the SAVIOR.

So, as ive noted, your Salvation Testimony has no Jesus in it, No Cross in it, No Forgiveness of Sin in it... , according to your own words.


Saved FROM sin by a resurrection life er receive as we enter INTO Him...by translation by the Spirit.

The born again are forgiven of their sin, by Jesus sacrifice that you alway leave out....
So, now being forgiven..... the Believer is born again, INTO Christ, as "In Christ"...."One With God"
You can't "enter into Him" as a sinner... You have to be forgiven your sin, first, and that is why Jesus died on the Cross, which you always leave out.

People with on a sunday church experience will know nothing of this grace.

Ive taught Paul's Gospel on both sides of this world.....so, the amateur , the self anointed one, (You).. who can't even explain why God gives His Righteousness to the believer.. as "The Gift of Righteousness"...., and in fact you denied that God does this... is not to the one who needs to be trying to correct anyone on a Christian forum.
You need the literal correction, and not just that...
 
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The flesh profits nothing. Why defend it? Why take offense to plain scripture? Why only claim something that anyone can claim defends their own bent on self-preservation? You call that abhorrent...because what you say is abhorrent. I act as a mirror to your own pronouncements. So read yourself into your own remarks. The kingdom of God is NOT what you think it is.
Where do I ever defend the flesh Epi? I have as much understanding of the kingdom of God as the Lord has seen fit to give me thus far......it's in spirit and by faith. It's the "world to come", which powers we can taste of and walk in now in this life. It's here now at hand, but also yet to come.
 
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The Holy Spirit revealed the Father to my spirit, when I became Born Of The Spirit.

Actually the Holy Spirit revealed Jesus to you, so that you could put your faith in Christ.
And once you did, God forgave your sin......because you can't be "born of the Spirit" until your sin is forgiven, first.

See to be "Born of the Spirit", is BORN AGAIN... and that means that God has Joined Himself to you Spiritually.. and He does not do this until your SIN is forgiven, as otherwise He's joining Himself to a unforgiven sinner.
 

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Not biblical.
I can and would quote those scriptures I am speaking but you would consider it childish. Darned if I do and darned if I don't, I guess.

We must be Born Of The Spirit, before you can even understand scripture, as it’s a Spirit book and can be only understood from the guidance of the Holy Spirit....that’s why our spirit must be Born Again to be able to understand scripture in our spirit..we also have eternal life and can never lose our salvation.
Of course we must be born of the Spirit to understand scripture. Yes. But I don't agree we can never lose our salvation when scripture warns and exhorts and admonishes about that all over the place if we have spiritual eyes and ears to see and hear them. I'm not going to take the time and effort to bring any more of those pearls either at this time.
 
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Actually the Holy Spirit revealed Jesus to you, so that you could put your faith in Christ.
And once you did, God forgave your sin......because you can't be "born of the Spirit" until your sin is forgiven, first.

See to be "Born of the Spirit", is BORN AGAIN... and that means that God has Joined Himself to you Spiritually.. and He does not do this until your SIN is forgiven, as otherwise He's joining Himself to a unforgiven sinner.
Actually that was your own testimony.

Like I’ve explained, I have the gift of God given supernatural faith, which is Alive and Active in my spirit.

Born Again by the Living Power Of The Holy Spirit, my spirit has been reborn by supernatural divine heart revelation.


Your faith is different to my faith..in that’s its very limited to understanding matters of the Spirit....your faith that is..it seems to be stuck and can’t seem to grow any further in knowledge of Gods Spirit.

That is why you can’t understand @Episkopos , I believe he is on a much higher spiritual walk than you or I, that’s why we can’t understand most of what he posts.

He’s much further ahead in spiritual knowledge than most of us, imo.
 
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