ONCE….ONCE….(OSAS)….ONCE!!!

[Taken]

ONCE….ONCE….(OSAS)…..ONCE!!!

Does the meaning of the word ONCE have some people baffled?

ONCE ~
* on one occasion or for one time only.
* at some time in the past; formerly.

ONCE - any happening, event HAS OCCURRED…it can NOT “UN-occur”!!!!

SAVED ~

Does the understanding of “WHAT” is being “SAVED” baffle some people?

* Saving the mans Natural BODY? No.
* Saving the mans Natural SPIRIT? No
Saving the SOUL that (BELONGS TO God…HAS Gods LIFE IN IT)…”IS” DWELLING “WITHIN” the mans Natural BODY. (That SOUL, called by the NAME of the mans Bodily Identity? ). Yes

* DOES GOD possess the POWER to “SAVE” souls, (IN Mens CORRUPT natural Bodies, Having Corrupted the soul WITHIN their Corrupt Body?…)
SUCH SOUL that “ALREADY” Belongs TO God”…. Yes!!!

TO…deniers…; *** —>
—> ***“IS Gods POWER”….SO “INSUFFICIENT”….
* He “cannot” SAVE a soul?
* He “cannot” KEEP a soul SAVED?

—> ***“IS” Mans POWER”….SO “SUFFICIENT”…
* A man “CAN” supersede “Gods POWER”…?
And “UNDO” Gods WORKS of SALVATION regarding (a SOUL that belongs to God)…IN any mans BODY?

No!!!

Uh Yes??? Uh….
Think AGAIN!!!

ONCE God has SAVED a SOUL within a mans Body…. THAT SOUL IS ALWAYS and FOREVER SAVED…

OSAS ~ TRUE

Not one Word of God, says otherwise.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[mailmandan]

OSAS is true IF you are truly saved to begin with.

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

 

[Taken]

OSAS is true IF you are truly saved to begin with.

Correct…thus the importance of the WORD…..ONCE

Salvation is not probation.

Correct.

A “probation” period, if you will…
“IS” “OCCURS”….”during the “TASTING”…

The “TASTING”… is equated to the “hearing, liking, contemplating, enlightenment, believing, doubting, wondering, unsureness, not prepared to make a COMMITMENT”…

The “EATING”…IS the “preparedness” TO…MAKE a COMMITMENT….”IF” the “individual Freely Chooses TO “EAT”TO “Commit”….or not”.

Eternal life is not temporary life.

Correct.
Once and Always and Forever.
Amen.

Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

In a manKIND’S NATURAL Life…He “makes” Promises/Vows, and “Practices” (by his OWN “POWER” to KEEPING such Promises/Vows..
* Loans….and returns
* Borrowing….and returns
* Marriage….A ONCE, ONE with ONE, relationship, until death
* Family…take care of his own
* Household…provide for his/their own; shelter, food, clothing, teaching, rules, discipline, medicine, defense, etc.

A man having “TAKEN” Gods “OFFERED OFFERING”… “IS” a man “TAKING” a ONE with ONE “relationship” ONCE ….
until death No.
For eternity, always and FOREVER …Yes
Kept forever by the Power of man No.
Kept FOREVER by the Power of God..Yes

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Reddsta]

SAVED ~

Does the understanding of “WHAT” is being “SAVED” baffle some people?

It does…so we must be careful with how we approach it. The Grace of Salvation...is not simply going to heaven when you die. It is being rescued from the kingdom of Satan…”darkness and death”…and placed into the Kingdom of God…”light and life.” Thus one is “saved” from condemnation by being brought into the “spiritual” Body of Christ.

It is the transfer of citizenship, without incident, without lingering consequences. The kingdom of darkness has lost its jurisdiction over you and cannot accuse you. If you consent to the accusation, that is because of your ignorance of your status.

* Saving the mans Natural BODY? No.

I can agree with you here…the flesh will be exterminated right along with everything else that is not redeemed and eternal…once it has served God’s purpose…it is no longer required.

Redd...:)

 

[Reddsta]

* Saving the mans Natural SPIRIT? No

Well…you might have a problem here “Taken”…on a couple of levels. First the concept of “natural Spirit” is an oxymoron. Natural is carnal, fleshly, temporal, worldly and relative to creation.

“Spirit” is none of that…especially “mans spirit.” Mans “spirit” is an endowment from the person of God…who is “Spirit.”

It was Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12 who reminds us of this…as he wrote that upon death…the human body returns to the “dust” from where it came…and the “spirit” will return to God…who gave it. Flesh begets flesh…Spirit begets spirit.

Note that it was Paul who wrote in Romans 8…“The Spirit Himself [Holy Spirit…God] testifies with our spirit [mans spirit] that we are children of God”…perhaps you can see how Paul’s words reveal a different reality than yours?

This is right after he wrote…“For you have not received a spirit of slavery [natural, sinful, carnal] leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!”…spirit sons to a Spirit Father.

So...for sure…the “man’s spirit” is “saved”…if the Holy Spirit of the living God indwells and informs the spirit of man…that he is a “child of God”…and that he has been “adopted by the Father”…that is the definition of being saved…don’t you think?

Redd...:)

 

[Reddsta]

Saving the SOUL that (BELONGS TO God…HAS Gods LIFE IN IT)…”IS” DWELLING “WITHIN” the mans Natural BODY. (That SOUL, called by the NAME of the mans Bodily Identity? ). Yes

This is a little messy Taken…sorry…communicating via the forums can be challenging...let’s deconstruct this a bit.

The concept of “saving the soul” is very real…so I can agree with you on that point.

Working from what I posted above…the Holy Spirit does not indwell the souls of men…He dwells in…testifies…manifests His presence...to the man’s spirit… as the apostle Paul wrote…which spirit is an endowment from God…as king Solomon wrote.

Once the Holy Spirit and power thereof…has “Taken” [pun intended] up His residence in ones spirit…He can then begin the process of “saving the soul”…via the process of a continual forming into Christ likeness.

This is the process of the soul growing and maturing from the place of a “newly Born Again spiritual infant” through the process of growing up into a mature “son of God.” That is what Paul meant when he wrote…“For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”

Paul referenced this “growth in Christ”…in Galatians 4 when he wrote to them…addressing their rebellion I guess you could call it. In verse 11 he wrote…“I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.” Which he will further clarify in verse 19 where he states…“My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you.“

That speaks of the “saving of the soul”…which is the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling the spirit of man...to form, teach and love the soul into Christ’s likeness. This is the “conversion” process and it takes a lifetime…however the spirit is saved…remember?

God saves the spirit of man by indwelling it with His presence…man must be obedient to God’s purpose and calling to the man over his lifetime for the soul to be saved. Now the issue of “Once Saved Always Saved” has a bit more clarity…however there is much more to this.

My question to you…”Taken”…is this…what happens to the souls of the rebellious and disobedient in whom Christ is “not” formed…as Paul suggests?

Redd...:)

 

[Behold]

man must be obedient to God’s purpose and calling to the man over his lifetime for the soul to be saved.

What you posted is Legalism.
You are stating that if a person continues by self effort to be obedient, then based on this SELF EFFORT, they are saved in the end,.

So, thats a false Gospel.. that is the Gospel of Works, and that is : Galatians 1:8

Whereas Paul's Gospel is.. "Justification by Faith, without works, or deeds of the Law".

Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God"..........

"while we were YET SINNERS... Christ died for us".

"To them who worketh NOT... But Believeth on HIM who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY,.. their FAITH is counted (by God), as (Christ's) Righteousness".

 

[Taken]

Well…you might have a problem here “Taken”…on a couple of levels. First the concept of “natural Spirit” is an oxymoron. Natural is carnal, fleshly, temporal, worldly and relative to creation.

“Spirit” is none of that…especially “mans spirit.” Mans “spirit” is an endowment from the person of God…who is “Spirit.”

It was Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12 who reminds us of this…as he wrote that upon death…the human body returns to the “dust” from where it came…and the “spirit” will return to God…who gave it. Flesh begets flesh…Spirit begets spirit.

Note that it was Paul who wrote in Romans 8…“The Spirit Himself [Holy Spirit…God] testifies with our spirit [mans spirit] that we are children of God”…perhaps you can see how Paul’s words reveal a different reality than yours?

This is right after he wrote…“For you have not received a spirit of slavery [natural, sinful, carnal] leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!”…spirit sons to a Spirit Father.

So...for sure…the “man’s spirit” is “saved”…if the Holy Spirit of the living God indwells and informs the spirit of man…that he is a “child of God”…and that he has been “adopted by the Father”…that is the definition of being saved…don’t you think?

Redd...:)

Thanks for sharing your view….Disagree.

I have No Issue with using the term “natural spirit”….Every natural born individual HAS a “natural spirit”….

Which IS simply that Individuals “TRUTH” in his heart….(regardless of what the individuals MIND…thinks, plots, tricks, lies, etc.)….his “natural spirit” (truth) in his heart holds his “truth”.

It is with a mans “natural spirit in his heart” by which an individual COMMITS his belief unto the Lord…

It is the “natural spirit in his heart”
by which the Lord (verifies) and ACCEPTS an individuals COMMITTED CONFESSION of his Belief.

It is the Lord God, who performs the Circumcision of the individuals Heart..
(Cutting off the old natural DEAD beliefs…
Giving that man a new heart…a new seed..a new born again spirit…and a new TRUTH…
Gods Truth…(JESUS) to dwell WITH and IN that individual.)

It is not the soul of a human; that is born again.
It is not the body of a human; that is born again.

It IS the “natural spirit” of a human; that is born again….From the SEED of God, (which IS CHRIST).


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

This is a little messy Taken…sorry…communicating via the forums can be challenging...let’s deconstruct this a bit.

The concept of “saving the soul” is very real…so I can agree with you on that point.

Working from what I posted above…the Holy Spirit does not indwell the souls of men…He dwells in…testifies…manifests His presence...to the man’s spirit… as the apostle Paul wrote…which spirit is an endowment from God…as king Solomon wrote.

Once the Holy Spirit and power thereof…has “Taken” [pun intended] up His residence in ones spirit…He can then begin the process of “saving the soul”…via the process of a continual forming into Christ likeness.

There IS a BEFORE a man receives A “BORN AGAIN SPIRIT”…

Again the mans “natural spirit is the mans NATURAL truth in his heart”….and the VERY explicit “place” / “thought” / “confession” given by the man TO the Lord regarding the mans Belief………OPPOSED to the man confessing his belief…FROM the mans CARNAL MINDS thoughts

In brief considering…

Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

My question to you…”Taken”…is this…what happens to the souls of the rebellious and disobedient in whom Christ is “not” formed…as Paul suggests?

Redd...:)

A “whole” man…
*Natural Body…its LIFE…blood.
God Requires the DEATH of all Body’s.

*Soul…(belongs to God) it’s LIFE…Gods breath…blown into the BODY upon delivery from the womb…Called by the name given the identity of the body.

*Spirit…
Natural spirit of man…mans natural hearts truth..its LIFE….blood.

Deniers, Rejecters of God and His Word….
* Living natural body shall die.
* Living soul, shall depart it’s dead body and suffer a period of separation from God.
* Living soul shall return to DEAD body…body shall stand in Judgement…
* Life in the soul Shall return to God…
* The Lifeless body and Lifeless soul and Lifeless natural spirit shall be destroyed and forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

What you posted is Legalism.
You are stating that if a person continues by self effort to be obedient, then based on this SELF EFFORT, they are saved in the end,.

So, thats a false Gospel.. that is the Gospel of Works, and that is : Galatians 1:8

Whereas Paul's Gospel is.. "Justification by Faith, without works, or deeds of the Law".

Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God"..........

"while we were YET SINNERS... Christ died for us".

"To them who worketh NOT... But Believeth on HIM who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY,.. their FAITH is counted (by God), as (Christ's) Righteousness".

All Scripture is TRUE…However ALL Scripture does not APPLY to ALL men.

No souls ARE “SAVED”…until a bodily Death occurs.

OT men who mortally died believing IN God and His Word….received “SALVATION” of their soul…THEN.

The LAW given the Hebrews and Tribes was fulfilled…but NOT abolished…

NT…ALL men…Jew or Gentile “WHO” believe IN THEIR HEART (natural spirit)….
IN God and His Word…
AND the IF Caveat
CONTINUE…ENDURE…believing to the DAY of their mortal death ….
“Souls’ SHALL BE SAVED THEN.

** THEY are WARNED multiple times IN Scripture OF the dangers of “keeping” IN Belief / Faith by their own…POWER…
BECAUSE of: Evil spirits and Wicked men who YEILD more POWER than “such men”…
(WHO ARE themselves ANTI-CHRIST)…
(WHOSE intent IS to convince or force (unsaved) believing men to Abandon their Belief IN God and His Word.

NT…new OFFERING to ALL men… (Jew or Gentile)….
Believe in ones Heart IN God and His Word…and “WILLINGLY” Confess the same AND Vow ones bodily LIFE unto Death for the Lord God…AGREEING to be “crucified” WITH Jesus’ Body…
THEY….receive SALVATION of their soul THEN….once and forever.
THEY…. Receive QUICKENING of their spirit THEN…once and forever.
(Crucified WITH Jesus = a living sacrifice)
(Mortally dead IN Belief = endured)

AGREE….Corrupt teaching HAS falsely taught…the Saved and Quickened MUST DO WORKS as a “condition” to KEEP their Salvation….

ALL “works” ANY man does….
That “glorify” God…shall be “REWARDED”.
That “DO NOT glorify” God…shall be BURNED.

Works are “rewarded”…
Salvation is a “gift”.. FOR Heartfully confessed BELIEF…OR man who endured…not works.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

No souls ARE “SAVED”…until a bodily Death occurs.

A person is "saved".... when they are Born again.


"Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners"......before they die.

As if they are not saved before they die, they have not become a CHRISTian, as you dont become one of those after you die.

This is why the verse says....>"NOW is the DAY of Salvation........NOW is the accepted TIME".......not after you die.
As if you wait til you are dead to receive God's "Gift of Salvation".. then you died "in your sin",., unforgiven.. never born again.

 

[Reddsta]

What you posted is Legalism.
You are stating that if a person continues by self effort to be obedient, then based on this SELF EFFORT, they are saved in the end,.

Greetings "behold"...

Read it again...here is what I said..."That speaks of the “saving of the soul”…which is the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling the spirit of man...to form, teach and love the soul into Christ’s likeness. This is the “conversion” process and it takes a lifetime…however the spirit is saved…remember?"

This is not a picture of self effort delivering one to salvation...but rather a personal relationship with the Lord Himself as He loves us to maturity.

Redd...:)

 

[Reddsta]

I have No Issue with using the term “natural spirit”….Every natural born individual HAS a “natural spirit”….

Well what you believe is fine by me...however...are you aware of the difference between "natural and spirit?" Paul in 1st Corinthians seperates them in this fashion..."However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven." 15:46-47 NASB

So for you Taken...the distinction should be clear...if you understand Scripture to be a message from God to us...there is a distinction between "natural" and "spirit"...if you can't see that...as I said before...I am sorry.

John wrote that the Lord said..."That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Natural, nature, flesh...it is the same thing. Men are born of the flesh and have been so since Cain...the sons of God however...are born of the Spirit...by the Spirit of their Father.

"Natural spirit" is a contradiction of realities...if you don't realize that...you have no basis for Truth.

Redd....:)

 

[Taken]

Well what you believe is fine by me...however...are you aware of the difference between "natural and spirit?"
"Natural spirit" is a contradiction of realities...if you don't realize that...you have no basis for Truth.

Redd....:)

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God IS Spirit.
God HAS 7 Spirits which are 1 Same Spirit.

Were you Created and Made …
A God…or Created and Made in Gods LIKENESS?

ManKIND…is Pro-created from a mans SEED…
It’s BODY Formed in the womb BY the hand of God.
It’s Live Birthed BODY Given a LIVING soul FROM God.(Gods souls and Gods LIFE in the soul.
** (THE SAME APPLIES TO ANIMALS)…

** ManKKIND…HAS a natural spirit, (ie the spirit of man) Prov 20:27.
** ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE “natural spirits”.

** BOTH…ManKIND and AnimalKIND…
* Have BODIES
* HAVE BLOOD (their body’s LIFE)
* HAVE instincts…
* HAVE reflexes…
* HAVE souls…(made ALIVE…communications Abilities…

BEFORE birth…
Ears that do not hear
Eyes that do not see
Nose that does not smell
Mouth that does not speak
Tongue that does not taste
Flesh that does not feel touch.
ATER birth…receipt of a soul from God
Ears that hear
Eyes that see
Nose that smells
Mouth that utters sound
Tongue that tastes
Flesh that feels touch.

WHAT separates Natural manKIND from Natural animalKIND?

ManKIND was created and made IN THE LIKENESS of God….
ManKKIND HAS A spirit…

What IS manKIND’s spirit?

His NATURAL TRUTH IN HIS MIND ? No.

His NATURAL TRUTH IN HIS HEART?
Yes..

IF and WHEN..ANY man…freely “CHOOSES” to BELIEVE…. AND CONFESS His BELIEF “TO” the SPIRIT of the Lord God….
WHO, HOW, WHAT CAN COMMUNICATE with the Lord God WHO “IS SPIRIT”?

God IS Spirit…
Angels ARE spirits…
ManKIND HAS a spirit…

Communication between A man and God “IS” mans spirit (mans TRUTH in his Heart) to Gods Spirit.

IF … as you believe…manKIND has NO natural spirit…

* What, How, exactly is a man ABLE to “communicate WITH God?”

* What, exactly IS “God RE-BIRTHING” IN A MAN…FROM Gods “SEED” ?

* Which exactly Of Gods SPIRITS is GIVEN a man, WHOSE “natural spirit” IS BORN AGAIN from Gods SEED?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

The issue is not about God's ability or inability to save men, but the issue is HOW God saves men and God never made salvation an unconditional promise......God never promised to save men unconditionally regardless of how men choose to live their lives. God has made obedience to His will conditional to being saved (Heb 5:9) therefore no one can find a single example of God unconditionally saving those who CONTINUE to live in contempt, in rebellion, in disobedience to His will.

Free will does not belong only to the lost who can choose to obey and be saved, it also belongs to the saved who can choose to turn from God in disobedience and become lost.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Taken,

Once saved, always saved is simply a man-made doctrine. People can and do walk away from God. Just because someone choose to have faith, that doesn’t even mean they are truly saved to the kingdom of heaven. Being saved to the kingdom of heaven is one of faith, and the works of the Lord Jesus through you, which always produces the fruits of the spirit which is ultimately love. Some people believe that just because they said a prayer one time means they are saved and they can continue in the way of their life thinking everything is about themselves and not the one whom saves which is the Lord… to jump around and skip verses doesn’t do anyone no good, and therefore this doctrine is just manmade tradition, heaped upon masses when clearly the Bible teaches people do walk away from God by becoming hardened in their heart; which doesn’t even have nothing to do with a person who says they have faith but doesn’t even love… it’s a totally 180 turn to renouncing God altogether. However, as paradoxically perplexed as this is; no one wants to believe it. Why? I don’t know.

There are faithful people who can’t even love.
There are people whom had faith and walked away. There are people who seek the Father in spirit and in truth knowing the works done within them come by and through the Holy Spirit/spirit of Christ and not themselves. There are people who worship an God of their own imagination, and some of the people worship a God which has been twisted and contorted to fit the wills and ways of themselves.

To be saved to the Kingdom of Heaven, it takes faith, and love realizing and being contrite and humble in heart to know it’s only because of the Lord Yeshua they are even getting to the Father to begin with…

I personally don’t believe in the manmade doctrine myself… as I find it as a false concept all together. Therefore this is just my two cents. Once saved always saved doesn’t make me happy… it’s find contentment with God through the Lord Jesus Christ; which brings forth an inexpressible joy.

 

[Taken]

Free will …..also belongs to the saved who can choose to turn from God in disobedience and become lost.

You are saying the SAV-ED can Exercise their FREE-WILL…and BECOME….UN-SAVED?

I disagree that is possible.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

You are saying the SAV-ED can Exercise their FREE-WILL…and BECOME….UN-SAVED?

I disagree that is possible.

Glory to God,
Taken

Salvation does not take away one's free will....men choose to obey to be saved and they can choose to turn away from God in disobedience losing the promise of salvation. This is why there are numerous admonishments, warnings to Christians about falling away, becoming an apostate. This is why salvation is accompanied with conditions...

"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" 2 Pet 1:10

"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch...,; Jn 15:6


God never made the promise of salvation unconditional.....this promise is not given unconditionally nor kept unconditionally.

 

[Taken]

Salvation does not take away one's free will....

I don’t make the argument men lose their freewill.

Receiving Gods Gift of Salvation IS one having exercised their freewill….