Is this place overwhelming just the typical run of the mill conservative Christians who ignore science and biblical scholarship?

[Skovand]

One thing that some people often struggle with understanding when they read posts like mine is that I don’t disagree with the Bible, or with Jesus. What I disagree with is the stances people land on because of how they interpret the Bible. So when I say that Genesis 1-2 are two separate myths with two separate origins stories I am not disagreeing with the Bible. I’m not disagreeing with Jesus. I’m disagreeing with a the concordistic view of biblical literalist. We saying I don’t believe the word of god is infallible but contains contradictions and that I think biblical criticism is liberal Christianity is saving the church I don’t mean that I disagree with Jesus , God or the Bible. I’m saying that I disagree with the general interpretation of the Bible that you see from alt right young earth creationist anti anti vaxxer concordistic literalist. Just because you think the Bible clearly says what you think it says does not mean I do.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

One thing that some people often struggle with understanding when they read posts like mine is that I don’t disagree with the Bible, or with Jesus. What I disagree with is the stances people land on because of how they interpret the Bible. So when I say that Genesis 1-2 are two separate myths with two separate origins stories I am not disagreeing with the Bible. I’m not disagreeing with Jesus. I’m disagreeing with a the concordistic view of biblical literalist. We saying I don’t believe the word of god is infallible but contains contradictions and that I think biblical criticism is liberal Christianity is saving the church I don’t mean that I disagree with Jesus , God or the Bible. I’m saying that I disagree with the general interpretation of the Bible that you see from alt right young earth creationist anti anti vaxxer concordistic literalist. Just because you think the Bible clearly says what you think it says does not mean I do.

Interpreting Gen 1 & 2 or any part of the Bible as myth, leads to a weak faith, doubtful of what is really true and what isn't. So the liberal picks and chooses what sounds feasible or what fits into their life and world view. They will question just about every doctrine. How can you believe on Christ, if you do not trust the reliability of scripture?
Does it make sense that an All Mighty, omniscient, omnipresent God who wanted to relat and impart truth about life and death in many stories and messages to mankind _ through 40 prophets _ over 1600 years _ could not insure it's accuracy nor protect it from being corrupted? Well, He has protected it. You can never have much of faith ... based on what ... doubts, only portions of it that are believable.
When I became a Christian, I started with the New Testament because the stories in the OT sounded far fetched. But as I learned the New Testament and believed in Jesus, I figured if He did not have any problem with the Old Testament scriptures, which He often quoted, then that was good enough for me. All scripture is God breathed, inspired. And Genesis is a true literal story of creation. The real myth about our origins is the Darwinian TOE!

 

[Brakelite]

I don't need to listen to some link Skovand.
I'm a Christian person and know that §God Father does NOT HAVE A BODY.
I also showed you 2 items on a list that you posted that DO NOT CLAIM that God Father has a body.

Since you don't care to post your understanding...this conversation ends right here.

“And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. ”
John 5:37 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

 

[Michiah-Imla]

cesspool of anti vaxxer, young/old earth anti everything marginalized alt right Christians

Trump won big the last election.

The country must be a “cesspool” in your eyes…

Trump flags

Trump flags are awesome!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

 

[Brakelite]

So it’s not a YouTube video. It’s not some amateurs. It’s three biblical scholars who all have phds and two of them were professors of theology. It’s an hour long podcast discussing several views, not just their own, but several different views that Jewish sects have all held about god written about in writings like Talmuds and midrashs and part of that discussion is about two books one by a fourth biblical scholar. In those views you hear of some believing God had no body, some believing he had a body make of fiery light, some that he had a body very much like our own. Some believed the body was more manly, some believed it was more feminine, some believed his body had genitalia of both the male and female sex and some believe his body was genderless. In the books, which I’ve also read, along with about a dozen other books on god, there are even more views that was held by ancient Jewish people about god such as god having no body, but could possess plants, people and even rocks and animate them. Some believed that Yahweh was a mountain god and El was a storm deity worshipped by Canaanites and that Jews arose as a sect within Canaanites and overtime the story of Yahweh and the story of El were merged together. Some believed god knew everything and done did not. Some were monotheists, some were polytheists but most were actually a third type called monistic. One sect of Jews even believed El was a giant bird like god and we see some of that in texts such as the spirit hovering above the waters and so on.

So I perfectly understand the context of the snippet you read. I did not misunderstand any of it. You highlighted a snippet and tried to weaponize it as some sort of “aha” but it just was not.

Which goes back to why I came here. I came here looking for a wide diverse group of Christians. Stoic Christians, messianic Christians, anti Pauline Christians, Christian mystics, and so on.

I love the Bible. I’ve been studying the Bible for close to 20 years with several years in college going pretty in-depth into it. I’ve read literally hundreds of academic books on it and have listened to thousands of hours of scholarly discussions on it. I was hoping to further expand that in a forum like this.

I don’t expect to change your mind. It takes years of hard work and intense studying to move deeper into the Bible than plain text reading and to escape self imposed echo chambers. I don’t expect 99.99% of yall of doing that. That’s ok. I’m not here to change minds. I’m here to share things I find cool with those who are already in the process of deconstruction and reconstruction. I’m here to leave comments and posts that people like me hears from now, even after I’m not here possibly, comes across and use word searches to track specific discussions. I do it all the time. I sometimes read forums that are almost 20 years old at times and benefit from it greatly.

All those different ideas you mentioned about the nature of God/ Godhead are the very reasons why we have a bible. Why we need the Bible. Now sure, there are disagreements on what some bible passages speak about, and that's fine because God has given all of us free will, the ability to choose what we believe or not believe. There was a time not that long ago when our choices were severely limited by a hierarchical power that for 1000 years demanded and coerced all to believe according to that hierarchy's dictates... often under threat of torture and death.

Then came that societal and religious earthquake we call the radical Reformation which reintroduced principles that gave people their freedom to choose. The American constitution was based on those protestant principles. So we don't need a Pope, a pastor, a professor of theology, a scientist, sociologist, a liberal or conservative activist, nor a biblical critic to advise, or coerce us into worship or obedience to their particular version of religion or belief. Whether Christian or not. All of them are man made uninspired versions of themselves, faulty, selfish, empty and without promise. Which again is why we have the Bible, and in that one book is sufficient to find God and accept a relationship with Him leading to eternal life. We may not know or understand everything in the scriptures, but we can know enough. Science, philosophy, sociology, education and experience can all be helpful, but only inasmuch as they point to man's insufficiency to save himself and God's sufficiency to save all. That sufficiency to save is found in one man...Jesus Christ.

 

[Skovand]

S, you joined in 2022 and only have 77 posts.
This is OK,,,,I just want to say that this pretty much says that you really are a "new" member.
It takes a lot of time to get to know a forum....and its members.
There are all types on any forum you join (well, almost any)...it's up to you to learn which threads you wish to participate in and which members you'd, maybe, rather not even speak to.

It takes time.
Be patient.

Start a thread on how to cook mushrooms....that would be nice.
If you do,,,tag me in.

Sometimes it's good to just post in a light thread.

Not sure how to tag but I made one discussing mushrooms including some to forage. I’ll be more detailed later. Zzzz. I wake up at 230am and it’s 9pm.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A general message to all since after my first post, he didn't like it so I suppose he put me on ignor, stating he would not see my future responses. Lol.
Skovand's belief system stated in his personal message: " I'm heavily influenced by Omnism, syncretism and accommodationism".

>Omnisim is the belief that all religions are valid and contain some truth, and that none is the only way to connect with the divine.
That is a deception, a lie, hence the liberal stance. I wonder what that mushroom represents on his avatar's head? Maybe a Vodoo priest meditating and being one with nature? That's a valid mushroom alright - he's one with the mushroom. Would everyone agree in that truth?
Sorry Skovand, only one way to God is validated by God. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, the only way to salvation.

 

[Lambano]

Is this place overwhelming just the typical run of the mill conservative Christians who ignore science and biblical scholarship?​

Why, yes. Yes it is. But I like it anyway.

 

[talons]

A general message to all since after my first post, he didn't like it so I suppose he put me on ignor, stating he would not see my future responses. Lol.
Skovand's belief system stated in his personal message: " I'm heavily influenced by Omnism, syncretism and accommodationism".

I saw all this as you did too but here is @Skovand in here with all of other Christians who may not see the world as he does . I see this as a chance to influence our fellow bother and newly posting member or we can berate him and talk down to him and be sure he bounces to a new forum destination . At least we can attempt civil conversation , can't we ? I believe the Lord has been dealing with me on my issues in this regard . I had a dream this month , here it is .

I am outside and Dad is trimming grass with the string trimmer. I observe his work for a few minutes and think he is being too cautious with his trimming so I take the trimmer from him and start whacking the grass and I accidently cut down a small fruit tree and I think well it was not even connected to the root. Dad then points out to me, yes the tree was connected to the root even if it was a small amount that was connected it was still a connection. I then regret my haste with the trimming I was doing.

My "Dad " in this dream is God and here I am thinking I can do God's work trimming away the unneeded people in my life but what I do is eliminate people that are part of the vine , the fruit tree connected to the root .

 

[Skovand]

I saw all this as you did too but here is @Skovand in here with all of other Christians who may not see the world as he does . I see this as a chance to influence our fellow bother and newly posting member or we can berate him and talk down to him and be sure he bounces to a new forum destination . At least we can attempt civil conversation , can't we ? I believe the Lord has been dealing with me on my issues in this regard . I had a dream this month , here it is .

I am outside and Dad is trimming grass with the string trimmer. I observe his work for a few minutes and think he is being too cautious with his trimming so I take the trimmer from him and start whacking the grass and I accidently cut down a small fruit tree and I think well it was not even connected to the root. Dad then points out to me, yes the tree was connected to the root even if it was a small amount that was connected it was still a connection. I then regret my haste with the trimming I was doing.

My "Dad " in this dream is God and here I am thinking I can do God's work trimming away the unneeded people in my life but what I do is eliminate people that are part of the vine , the fruit tree connected to the root .

Just so you know. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that things like young earth/old
Earth Christians will even remotely change my views on the new modern synthesis and the fact that humans evolved just like any other animal, mushrooms or plant.

There is no way that the Conservative Party will be able to influence my social views. Maybe someone can influence us some sort of low level discussion like when the Bible says this city, but we don’t know where that city is and there are three potential arguments for that city and maybe I feel like it’s A but someone here feels like its B and they present and convincing argument that it’s B I may change my mind. But on the broad strokes and general approach to science, theology and social issues it’s next to impossible to imagine we changing my mind by those who reject biblical scholarship, vaccines and so on.
My stances don’t come from watching news. I don’t watch any news basically. I keep circles invested in certain issues and most of them are how national laws affect my local area.

But my degree in school was biology and its focus was evolutionary ecology with a focus on habitat systems and the coevolution of angiosperms and moths. Though I did not pursue a degree really in theology I have taken a bunch for fun and many certifications through various colleges. I enjoy theology. I read about 30 books a year by biblical scholars and sometimes up to 60+. My job permits me to use earbuds while working and so I listen to about 20-30 hours a week of podcasts by biblical scholars.

One of my biggest passions in life in my faith is reaching out the teens and young adults who are questioning their faith because they think they either have to choose anti science heavily bigoted conservative Christianity or pro science loving atheism but I show them that there are far less toxic , less lukewarm versions of Christianity than what they’ve mostly experienced. Often these people have already abandoned their faith and still feel the pull of god but it’s overwhelmed by the hatred they have of the church and its abusive tactics. I show them that those people are not the only ones who lay claim to the word Christian. That their interpretation is not the only one.
I strongly believe in this motto.
“hate the conservatism not the conservative”.

 

[Rockerduck]

Just so you know. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that things like young earth/old
Earth Christians will even remotely change my views on the new modern synthesis and the fact that humans evolved just like any other animal, mushrooms or plant.

There is no way that the Conservative Party will be able to influence my social views. Maybe someone can influence us some sort of low level discussion like when the Bible says this city, but we don’t know where that city is and there are three potential arguments for that city and maybe I feel like it’s A but someone here feels like its B and they present and convincing argument that it’s B I may change my mind. But on the broad strokes and general approach to science, theology and social issues it’s next to impossible to imagine we changing my mind by those who reject biblical scholarship, vaccines and so on.
My stances don’t come from watching news. I don’t watch any news basically. I keep circles invested in certain issues and most of them are how national laws affect my local area.

But my degree in school was biology and its focus was evolutionary ecology with a focus on habitat systems and the coevolution of angiosperms and moths. Though I did not pursue a degree really in theology I have taken a bunch for fun and many certifications through various colleges. I enjoy theology. I read about 30 books a year by biblical scholars and sometimes up to 60+. My job permits me to use earbuds while working and so I listen to about 20-30 hours a week of podcasts by biblical scholars.

One of my biggest passions in life in my faith is reaching out the teens and young adults who are questioning their faith because they think they either have to choose anti science heavily bigoted conservative Christianity or pro science loving atheism but I show them that there are far less toxic , less lukewarm versions of Christianity than what they’ve mostly experienced. Often these people have already abandoned their faith and still feel the pull of god but it’s overwhelmed by the hatred they have of the church and its abusive tactics. I show them that those people are not the only ones who lay claim to the word Christian. That their interpretation is not the only one.
I strongly believe in this motto.
“hate the conservatism not the conservative”.

There is no such thing as Christianity without Christ Jesus. Jesus created all things and without Him nothing was created. John 1:1-3. You cannot teach creation without the creator.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just so you know. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that things like young earth/old
Earth Christians will even remotely change my views on the new modern synthesis and the fact that humans evolved just like any other animal, mushrooms or plant.

There is no way that the Conservative Party will be able to influence my social views. Maybe someone can influence us some sort of low level discussion like when the Bible says this city, but we don’t know where that city is and there are three potential arguments for that city and maybe I feel like it’s A but someone here feels like its B and they present and convincing argument that it’s B I may change my mind. But on the broad strokes and general approach to science, theology and social issues it’s next to impossible to imagine we changing my mind by those who reject biblical scholarship, vaccines and so on.
My stances don’t come from watching news. I don’t watch any news basically. I keep circles invested in certain issues and most of them are how national laws affect my local area.

But my degree in school was biology and its focus was evolutionary ecology with a focus on habitat systems and the coevolution of angiosperms and moths. Though I did not pursue a degree really in theology I have taken a bunch for fun and many certifications through various colleges. I enjoy theology. I read about 30 books a year by biblical scholars and sometimes up to 60+. My job permits me to use earbuds while working and so I listen to about 20-30 hours a week of podcasts by biblical scholars.

One of my biggest passions in life in my faith is reaching out the teens and young adults who are questioning their faith because they think they either have to choose anti science heavily bigoted conservative Christianity or pro science loving atheism but I show them that there are far less toxic , less lukewarm versions of Christianity than what they’ve mostly experienced. Often these people have already abandoned their faith and still feel the pull of god but it’s overwhelmed by the hatred they have of the church and its abusive tactics. I show them that those people are not the only ones who lay claim to the word Christian. That their interpretation is not the only one.
I strongly believe in this motto.
“hate the conservatism not the conservative”.

Ie, you have a closed mind, and nothing will change your mind.

you are biased. And no matter what evidence may show. Your bias will always point you to one way and not another

which means in fact you are not a true scientist. A true scientist would be open to the evidence and not look with a bias.

You also are destroying your own argument about how a christian is biased and not a true scientist when you claim they will never see it your way. That is what they call a hypocrite.. do as I say not as I do..

the fact is, I am open to look at it your way. Just show me the evidence. I used to be an old earth believer. Until other scientists began to show me how the geological record can be explained by a global flood. That fossil evidence is more real when you look at it as a result of a global flood and the results. Then billions of years of evolution.

You remind me of a debate I saw a few years back. When an atheist was asked if they found a ship on Mt Everest, and it resembled Noah’s ark. Woud he possibly change his view. And the Guy said no.

When your mind is shut. Don;t blame other people who do what you do yourself.

 

[Wrangler]

mostly a cesspool of anti vaxxer, young/old earth anti everything marginalized alt right Christians. Or am I missing the college grad liberal science accepting side of Christianity here?

By science, do you mean the science of biology and genetics, where there are only X and Y chromosomes who make only male and female? And the DNA has information, proving there is an Intelligent Designer? This is the emerging science that has caused many atheists to repent and believe there is a God because that is where the evidence leads?

Or do you mean the science of irreducible complexity, the Signature in the Cell, that disproves evolution?

Or do you mean the science of archeology and geology that proves the flood was world wide? And dinosaurs with soft tissue prove they lived much more recently than alleged? Or do you mean the science of archeology that continues to prove the Bible is right?

Or do you mean the science of radio-active decay, half life that has proven unreliable, now on the ash heap of other false "Science" like alchemy and astrology?

Asking for a friend.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Skovand, don’t care much for “Christian culture.” I’m also not very political and already know what’s on the 6 o’clock news. Most of the time nothing worth while, murders, pedophiles getting caught, child abuction? And a chance of some tornados and thunderstorms in the atmosphere later on at 11.

Yahavah is good, and I’m hoping to once again start going verse by verse in the scriptures soon. It’s just a hope, and I would like to dive deeper into studying and making my own conclusions while expounding on some of the other conclusions men have and hope the Holy Spirit/spirit of Christ wins out within me. Even in my wrong proses, may the will of Yahavah win out, in Jesus name for sure.

All the best to you, neat thread, it shows a lot of true colors for people. I can already admit I’m a failure and need the Father to help me every day, even on the days I fail in my flesh cause it seems to happen so very often. He continues to be my strength and I don’t know why I’m given chances to continue onward.

Sometimes I just say to Yahavah, take my life. Just as other old prophets in the Old Testament had done.

 

[Ritajanice]

One thing that some people often struggle with understanding when they read posts like mine is that I don’t disagree with the Bible, or with Jesus. What I disagree with is the stances people land on because of how they interpret the Bible. So when I say that Genesis 1-2 are two separate myths with two separate origins stories I am not disagreeing with the Bible. I’m not disagreeing with Jesus. I’m disagreeing with a the concordistic view of biblical literalist. We saying I don’t believe the word of god is infallible but contains contradictions and that I think biblical criticism is liberal Christianity is saving the church I don’t mean that I disagree with Jesus , God or the Bible. I’m saying that I disagree with the general interpretation of the Bible that you see from alt right young earth creationist anti anti vaxxer concordistic literalist. Just because you think the Bible clearly says what you think it says does not mean I do.

I can certainly understand your point.

I mean some even think the Bible lives and breaths.

God is Spirit, he’s not contained in a book.....been over this ground many times,I just state my case ,then move on, no good forcing our opinion onto another....those who do that, I would recommend to ignore.
Or there is a feature where you can choose to put them on ignore, you will find the ignore icon, under their avatar.if you click on it.
Unless they are open to the discussion ...where we discuss with dignity and respect...it’s great when we can do that...imo.

Anyway, I guess that’s another topic....

 

[Skovand]

There is no such thing as Christianity without Christ Jesus. Jesus created all things and without Him nothing was created. John 1:1-3. You cannot teach creation without the creator.

Yes you can.

 

[Wrangler]

mostly a cesspool of anti vaxxer, young/old earth anti everything marginalized alt right Christians. Or am I missing the college grad liberal science accepting side of Christianity here?

Or do you mean the science of the so called vaccine, which is not a vaccine at all since people who take it still contract COVID; where more people died from the so-called vaccine than from COVID?

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes you can.

Of course, one can certainly teach it....but..................fill in the blanks.

 

[Wrangler]

One thing that some people often struggle with understanding when they read posts like mine is that I don’t disagree with the Bible, or with Jesus. What I disagree with is the stances people land on because of how they interpret the Bible. So when I say that Genesis 1-2 are two separate myths with two separate origins stories I am not disagreeing with the Bible.

Of course you are disagreeing with the Bible. You insert your own personal interpretation, calling genesis myth.

Ken Ham rightly says if you cannot believe the 1st book of the Bible, you cannot believe the rest of it.