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Hobie

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I was checking the news at 11 pm and even thought Trump was ahead they couldnt admit Kamala Harris was losing the election. I fell asleep and woke up later and still they wouldnt allow that Kamala Harris couldnt find a way to win, and when I woke up at 5 am they were still at it, with eyes heavy with sleep and slurred speech they still tried to keep up a pretense that she had a chance.

It doesnt look like they will ever be able to accept another Trump presidency if they cant even admit what the truth of the matter right before their very eyes..

"Opinion: Trump wins again. Will Democrats now practice what they've preached on democracy?

The Democratic Party can only blame itself for the outcome of this election. A stronger, more thoroughly vetted candidate than Kamala Harris could have likely defeated Donald Trump.

I will never forget the shock I felt late on Election Day 2016, when it started to look like Donald Trump would pull off a longshot victory over Hillary Clinton.

In the early morning hours of the next day, it became clear Trump had sealed the deal.

And now, he’s done it again.

Kudos to the president on his victory.

While I have concerns about how Trump will begin his second term in office, including whether he’ll be able to bring together a strong Cabinet and top-notch advisers, I have an even more pressing worry:
Whether Democrats will accept the results of this election and come to terms with Trump as president.... "
 

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And the shocked media reaction...
"Opinion: No Election Day result, but heavy Trump vote shows America has already lost

Good morning, and welcome to hell, or as it’s known in modern-day America, “the day after Election Day.”

We still don’t know who won, largely because tens of millions of voters still think Donald Trump is the kind of person who should be president, despite an internet worth of evidence that says otherwise.

As most of us went to bed Tuesday night, the election remained too close to call, hinging on a handful of swing states.

Supporters of Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris spent most of the night repeatedly saying, “What? Are you serious?” as it became clear she wasn’t going to run away with a victory....

 
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even thought Trump was ahead they couldnt admit Kamala Harris was losing the election.

Because they are dishonest hypocrites.

A stronger, more thoroughly vetted candidate than Kamala Harris could have likely defeated Donald Trump.

This was God’s will.

It’s over.

Nobody was going to defeat Trump!
 
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I have an even more pressing worry:
Whether Democrats will accept the results of this election and come to terms with Trump as president.... "

And the shocked media reaction...
"Opinion: No Election Day result, but heavy Trump vote shows America has already lost

Good morning, and welcome to hell, or as it’s known in modern-day America, “the day after Election Day.”

We still don’t know who won, largely because tens of millions of voters still think Donald Trump is the kind of person who should be president, despite an internet worth of evidence that says otherwise.

As most of us went to bed Tuesday night, the election remained too close to call, hinging on a handful of swing states.

Supporters of Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris spent most of the night repeatedly saying, “What? Are you serious?” as it became clear she wasn’t going to run away with a victory....

Delusional. By definition, delusional people do not come to terms with reality. As the Bible puts it, they don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.
 

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I was checking the news at 11 pm and even thought Trump was ahead they couldnt admit Kamala Harris was losing the election. I fell asleep and woke up later and still they wouldnt allow that Kamala Harris couldnt find a way to win, and when I woke up at 5 am they were still at it, with eyes heavy with sleep and slurred speech they still tried to keep up a pretense that she had a chance.

It doesnt look like they will ever be able to accept another Trump presidency if they cant even admit what the truth of the matter right before their very eyes..

"Opinion: Trump wins again. Will Democrats now practice what they've preached on democracy?

The Democratic Party can only blame itself for the outcome of this election. A stronger, more thoroughly vetted candidate than Kamala Harris could have likely defeated Donald Trump.

I will never forget the shock I felt late on Election Day 2016, when it started to look like Donald Trump would pull off a longshot victory over Hillary Clinton.

In the early morning hours of the next day, it became clear Trump had sealed the deal.

And now, he’s done it again.

Kudos to the president on his victory.

While I have concerns about how Trump will begin his second term in office, including whether he’ll be able to bring together a strong Cabinet and top-notch advisers, I have an even more pressing worry:
Whether Democrats will accept the results of this election and come to terms with Trump as president.... "
The mainstream media hates Donald Trump and does everything they can to make him look bad, but he brought us four years of peace and prosperity during his first term, and I have to believe he'll do a lot to improve things during his second. My concern would be that the Democrats have messed things up so badly these last four years that it'll take a while to straighten things out again.
 

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I don't see anyone contesting the election only DT has done that.God is about to get very angry can't wait to see all these migrant deported its going to bring a curse on the US so unchristian.Or do you say it is the Christian thing to do I dare you.We are entering into very evil times not a Golden age where materialism is rained down on the earth and Christian rule rises.Read the book of Revelations the end times are near and it says nothing like that its says the opposite will happen.But because it was stamped in Jesus name its holy and divine right and God will do as you command.Such arrogance. You get what you deserve.
 

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I don't see anyone contesting the election only DT has done that.God is about to get very angry can't wait to see all these migrant deported its going to bring a curse on the US so unchristian.Or do you say it is the Christian thing to do I dare you.We are entering into very evil times not a Golden age where materialism is rained down on the earth and Christian rule rises.Read the book of Revelations the end times are near and it says nothing like that its says the opposite will happen.But because it was stamped in Jesus name its holy and divine right and God will do as you command.Such arrogance. You get what you deserve.
I will get peace. I will stop seeing my tax money sent to Ukraine to pay for millions of dead young men. I will see a better economy. I will stop seeing my kids being fed liberal communistic Trans nonsense. . I will see the righteous os women be reintroduced. And hope ly the lies of the left be finally laced out before the world full stop.
 

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I don't see anyone contesting the election only DT has done that.God is about to get very angry can't wait to see all these migrant deported its going to bring a curse on the US so unchristian.Or do you say it is the Christian thing to do I dare you.We are entering into very evil times not a Golden age where materialism is rained down on the earth and Christian rule rises.Read the book of Revelations the end times are near and it says nothing like that its says the opposite will happen.But because it was stamped in Jesus name its holy and divine right and God will do as you command.Such arrogance. You get what you deserve.

Heaven has a very strict immigration policy.... do you think the Lord is cursed because of this????
 
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This guy explains it well.
In his speech to the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina declared to broad approval, “The devil came to Pennsylvania holding a rifle, but the American lion got back up on his feet.” Scott then roared into the microphone. His remarks formed the backdrop to Donald Trump’s appearance at the convention with his bandaged right ear, the result of the attack on his life in Pennsylvania not long before.
Watching those events on television caused this Reformed Christian to turn to the work known as the Revelation to John, the last book of the Christian Bible. The first ten verses of chapter 13 contain a vision of a grotesque seven-headed beast whose mouth was like that of a lion. To this beast Satan, here called “the dragon,” gave “his power and his throne and great authority.” One of the heads of this beast “seemed to have a mortal wound,” inflicted by a sword. The wound was not actually fatal, but “was healed, and the whole earth followed the beast with amazement” as a result. In fact, people went and “worshiped” both the beast and the dragon. To worship the beast is to worship the Satanic power behind the beast. Are there lessons to be drawn here about Donald Trump and his MAGA movement? I think so.
The beastly figure of Revelation 13 is commonly known in Christian tradition as an antichrist, which is someone who puts himself in Christ’s place, thereby actually becoming Christ’s opponent. For John, the seer who composed Revelation, the beast and its heads symbolized the Roman Empire and its emperors. Revelation was probably written when Domitian was the emperor; he reigned from 81–96 AD. Domitian posed a danger to the faith of Christians because he had pretentions to deity and demanded the appropriate public recognition of his divine status, with dire consequences for those who refused, particularly in Asia Minor where the seven churches addressed by the book (1:11) were located. Many faithful Christians did refuse, and they suffered persecution as a result (6:9).
Figures analogous to Domitian have made their appearance in world history, even if the book of Revelation did not have them specifically in view and even if the correspondence between them and the beast is not exact in many details. The first letter of John refers to “many antichrists” (2:18). What all these figures have in common is that they pose a diabolical temptation for Christians who want to remain faithful to Jesus, the Lord who alone suffered and died for them. In my view, Donald Trump is arguably a contemporary version of such an antichrist (it would do him too much honor to call him the Antichrist). Let me explain.


Some of the points of correspondence between the beast in Revelation 13 and Donald Trump are probably purely coincidental or merely suggestive, such as the nearly fatal head wound that healed. Others are more substantial and worthy of further reflection. According to Revelation 13, for example, “the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words.” It uttered “blasphemies against God.” Haughty and blasphemous words have arguably come from Trump’s mouth and those of his supporters, with claims that he stands in a special relationship with God who protects him from all harm. Trump and his supporters have likened him to the suffering and persecuted Jesus. Trump openly panders to Christian voters with lies (“I love Christians, I am a Christian,” he said at a recent event for conservative Christians in Florida). The former president has promoted and basked in a personality cult, expecting total fealty in word and deed from his followers, inevitably at the expense of the kind of loyalty his Christian supporters owe to Christ alone. This should trouble any Christian with the mind of Christ.
In Revelation 13, the people worshiping the beast explain their loyalty by asking rhetorically, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” The answer on both counts of course is: “no one.” Today, Republican officials, such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, and former Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina, rationalize their fealty to Trump in a similar way. They effectively ask themselves, “Who is like Trump, and who can oppose him and survive politically?” The answer for any politically ambitious Republican is: No one. They regard resistance to him as futile, and dangerous to their political careers. By voicing support for him, they reinforce his divine pretensions, giving them legitimacy, authority, and power. Those officials who do have the courage to refuse to give him the total loyalty he demands can expect exclusion, contempt, and vicious attacks on social media from him and his fanatically loyal base. Ask Republicans such as former Vice President Mike Pence or former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, and numerous other conservative Republicans, many of them also conservative Christians, who have dared to stand up to him and call him out for his demonstrable lies, his serial adultery, his crass materialism, his cruel and abusive language, his bullying tactics, his self-absorption, and his criminal behavior. He has exhibited contempt not only for the laws of the land and the Constitution but also for the teachings of Jesus. That should trouble every Christian with the mind of the real Christ.


Interestingly, Revelation 13 also contains a vision of a second beast, which provides another revealing analogy for Trump and supporters (verses 11–18). This second beast appears on the scene as the defender in word and deed of the first beast. While it had “two horns like a lamb,” it yet “spoke like a dragon,” which is to say, while it looked innocent and harmless, it spoke deceitfully and dangerously. In later passages of Revelation, this second beast is referred to as “the false prophet” (16:13; 19:20; 20:10), someone who leads people astray into the worship of false gods. According to Revelation 13, the second beast “exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.” Modern Republican officials fulfilling an analogous role in our time include people such as Senator Scott of South Carolina, the Speaker of the House of Representatives Mike Johnson of Louisiana, and Senator JD Vance of Ohio, as well as Republican governors such as Ron DeSantis of Florida and Kristi Noem of South Dakota. They shamelessly parrot Trump’s lies in his presence and grovel for his approval.

More troubling for the church is that the list of apologists and grovelers includes ministers of the Word, including those who serve Reformed congregations. In their view Trump is evidently without sin, as Jesus was. Indictments and convictions for criminal activity do not count or matter even if they are formally warranted. Such pastors and like-minded Christians think that they can further the cause of the gospel by making what smacks of a pact with the Devil, something Jesus himself refused to do (Matthew 4:8–10). In doing so, they not only fall into a deceitful trap, betraying their true Lord; they also make Trump the antichrist that he is and wants to be. That should trouble every Christian with the mind of the one and only Christ.

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Some of these pastors think that Trump is God’s Anointed as the Persian emperor Cyrus was according to Isaiah 44:28 (“He is my shepherd, and he shall carry out my purpose”) and 45:1 (“Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have grasped to subdue nations before him”). In this view Trump serves a larger divine purpose, even if his behavior is morally despicable, shamelessly deceitful, and patently unlawful. Christian pastors who declare Trump to be God’s chosen vessel are actually playing God, doing what only God has a right to do. Yes, God can use evil to accomplish the good but that is God’s prerogative, not ours. As Christians we have no other calling than to be faithful to the gospel of Christ in word and deed.


The second beast of Revelation “deceives those who dwell on the earth,” alarmingly causing those who would not worship the first beast “to be slain.” Trump and his supporters have not gone this far with those who refuse to show the desired homage to the former president, at least not yet. Such a course of action would certainly be as diabolical as the recent attempt to assassinate Trump in Pennsylvania. Murder and attempted murder must be unequivocally rejected and lamented by Christians as contrary to the gospel. The fear that Trump Republicans, or their henchmen, could implement a murderous campaign against their opponents if Trump is re-elected may be misplaced and even paranoid, but one may be permitted to wonder where those who excuse the violent storming of the Capitol on behalf of Trump on January 6, 2021, will stop once they gain access to the levers of power. After all, Trump himself called for the execution of retired General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, during Trump’s term as president, because he refused to bow down to Trump and do his will. It is a sign to be taken seriously that in the final month of his term, Trump signed the death warrants for the execution of multiple federal prisoners, something no previous president had done. In his current campaign, he repeatedly expresses his admiration for such murderous figures as Al Capone, Hannibal Lecter, and Vladimir Putin. He has proposed the termination of the constitution with all its fundamental legal protections for all citizens, including, let it be said, Reformed Christians. He has made numerous allusions in interviews and speeches to the use of violence to achieve his ends or to exact retribution. But whatever he himself could or would do as president, Trump may not be able to control the dark forces he has blessed and unleashed. Supporters present at the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania turned to the journalists who were covering the event and said, “You’re next!” This should trouble every genuine Christian with the mind of Christ.

Finally, it may be noted that the second beast of Revelation 13 causes all people to have the mark of the first beast “on the right hand or on the forehead.” That mark consists of “the name of the beast and the number of its name.” That Trump has his own mark may be coincidental but is still instructive. As everyone knows, it is a red baseball cap with his name or his MAGA slogan clearly visible and prominently displayed on the forehead of the cap’s wearer. Since the assassination attempt, the mark of Trump seems also to be a white bandage, worn not on the right hand but the right ear. Its number is arguably also 666, which is to say an imperfect and diabolical trinity (Satan, Trump, and his false prophets), parodying and replacing the perfect Trinity of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit active in the churches of the saints.
Trump is an antichrist because he seeks to put himself in the place of Christ and because his words and actions are a grotesque and demonic travesty of the real Christ. But there is a further reason that he is an antichrist: There are people, including Reformed Christians, who embrace him as their supposed Messiah, even if they do not all seem to be fully aware that they are doing so. Without their support – their discipleship – Trump would only be an elderly former president who spends his time playing golf in Florida.
As far as this Reformed Christian is concerned, then, Trump and his MAGA movement constitute what Revelation 13 refers to as “a call for the endurance of the saints” (v. 10). These saints, believers loyal to Christ alone, cannot give their support in any shape or form to a manifest antichrist such as Donald J. Trump and his acolytes. It is time for the saints everywhere to stand up and be counted for Christ and to reject his counterfeit.

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God is about to get very angry can't wait to see all these migrant deported its going to bring a curse on the US so unchristian.Or do you say it is the Christian thing to do I dare you.

First of all, no one should be breaking the law and entering our country illegally. That is dishonest. God does not approve of dishonesty.

Secondly: Trump is going to start deporting the convicted criminals. Maybe you don't follow the news but there have been many rapes and murders by illegal migrants. One recent victim was only 12 years old. She was brutalized for hours and then murdered.

Some of these criminals are in vicious gangs. They not only traffic drugs but they traffic women and children as prostitutes.

 

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MS-13 gang trafficking migrant children. This woman was fired by HHS for bringing this to attention.

 

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He is A antichrist no matter how you spin it.He has claimed to have suffered like Christ and persecuted the same.His follower compare him to Jesus.That's all it takes.No one should be making those claims.Even pastors have done this making a deal with the devil. But there are also many other boxes that are ticked also.These guys have a satanic influence on people blinding them.Careful he is not a savior do not listen to all his false prophets .As a Christian all these things should worry you - why don't they?We do not know if hes THE Antichrist but we will find out.Never thought I would see this day.
A antichrist is someone who claims to be like Christ but is not at all.
 
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Get this one.

On another forum, a member's husband is Native American (Arizona). They got rid of his vote because they said he can't prove he's a citizen!!!

The man was born and raised on a reservation.
 

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Pharisees are everywhere.
A lot of Democrats are questioning the election and calling for audits. I say hell yeah and let's check out 2020 as well.
They claim there are 20 million voters missing but what they fail to recognize is that 20 million fake ballots were added to the 2020 election.
So their not missing, they just never existed in the first place. Which is why we contested the 2020 election results.
But we were called conspiracy theorists, that the elections were safe and secure.
But now the shoe is on the other foot and theydon't understand how Trump could of won and Kamala lost 20 million votes.

So I tell them: This is what you do, have your congress and your senate agree to return the certifications to the states for an audit.
And just as they are about to do that very thing, storm the capital and cause chaos so they have to certify Trump into the presidency like they did Biden.

Makes sense right?

And I don't think there are many that are comparing Trump to Jesus. We do believe that God is using him the same way he used Moses or David or Abraham, which all had flaws by the way, and Jacob. God even uses Gentiles and puts them over kingdoms to rule them.
If they follow God's ways, God will use them. And if they abuse the power given them it gets removed, like Nebuchadnezzar.
But we don't worship Trump, we follow him as a representative of the voice of the people.
We elected him to be our voice not our ruler or our king. We have one King and one Lord that is Jesus Christ.
And as Kamala so boldly showed us is not welcome in her gatherings.
Most of the left wing are antichrist. They mock Jesus, they mock God. Not only in their speech but in their actions and deeds.

The pharisees saught to kill Jesus because their "democracy" was being threatened and they knew their days were numbered.
And here we are.
They call themselves the party of joy and unity while they breathe threats of killing you and hating you for not following them.
They cut themselves and brand themselves as cults do. And then point their finger at us calling us a cult.
The irony.
We know what we believe and we know where our faith is. I can't say that for the left. They are like dark clouds wandering the skies lost without direction home.
We have a longing to get back to our christian heritage. To live a life of decency and modesty and good will towards all.
We can not live among those who choose to live in debauchery and defilement, destroying childrens minds and bodies with their evil witchcraft.
And so we have come to the great divide where darkness is separated from the light. The wheat from the chaff. The clean from the unclean.
We are witnessing the great harvest. And the separating of the sheep from the goats.

Many are awakening and still many are asleep.
Time to wake up and choose this day whom you will follow.
Those that choose God and choose Life, or those who choose Death and destruction.

Ye shall know them by their fruit:


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