Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Scott Downey]

being born again is not forced on a person, it is being made alive by the Spirit to become spiritually minded which pleases God and is our life and peace with Him. This is only for those God loves with His great love, as in His people, the ones He foreknows. Being born again of the Spirit of God removes the natural enmity we have against God, and makes our spirit teachable as we really do get a new spirit, with Him as our Father and we are His children that God then gives us to Christ.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

God does cause us to love Him, the natural man has enmity, and extreme dislike or hatred of Christ and God of scripture.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[Scott Downey]

You know Ephesians 2, supports the idea that we did not choose to be born again, as Jesus taught also in John 3.
God made that happen for us while we were still following the world and walking according to the evil Satan.
He made that choice by His grace towards us.

 

[Ritajanice]

Because our heart is in Christ, the mind of Christ will follow, which takes time to grow and mature.

When you see quite a few of us throwing our toys out of the pram, using laughing emojis, insulting behaviour ,because the other doesn’t agree with the others understanding ,of what it means to be Born Again.

That’s a very immature mind in Christ.,it’s like being in kindergarten.insult paid with another insult is not of Christ.

It’s just attention seeking drama, let’s all grow up in Christ and discuss as he would discuss...Father God I am relying on your Spirit ,to get that message across to ‘ all” of us.in Jesus Name!..Amen!

 

[Behold]

unproven conjecture and personal opinion lacking any substantial (read biblical) support in any sense.

Case dismissed for lack of evidence on you rpart.

God make Christians

Calvin makes Calvinists., and you should know., and not just you.

Calvinists do not teach Christianity, they teach "5-points" and Calvinsim.
This theology is a "doctrine of Devils" because it accuses God of pre-destining someone to hell, by not allowing them to Trust in Jesus, when in fact:

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners"........not just the "pre-destined" little group, as Lying Calvinism and its evil twin "5 Points" teach.

So, if you can ever realize that the CROSS is being denied, when a theology teaches that Salvation is not for EVERYONE, as an offer....
If you can ever realize this, then you've discovered one of the worst EVILS being committed by Calvinism and TULIP>, as a false Gospel

Galatians 1:8

 

[Behold]

That might hold some water, coming from you, if ~ and this is a big if ~ you even understood what Calvinism is.

If you understood John Calvinism, and the 5-points, and im not talking about a Calvinist's ability to cut and paste the definitions...

Any nit-wit can cut and paste verses and pages of theology, but not all understand what they are trying to prove.
Most dont.
They've been taught by a cult to SELL their Cult's theology, and that is not the same as understanding it. As if they truly did, they would not be selling it.

So, Here is the issue with Calvinism and the 5-points.

This doctrine of devils had defined that some people in your family are "pre-chosen" to go to hell., as if you are not pre-chosen to go to heaven, the you are pre-chosen to go to HELL.
So.....Never think that Calvinism and its evil twin the 5-points, ELECT entire families... as "pre-destined'
If you teach that entire families are "pre-destined" then you are just increasing your rate of Lying, exponentially...<<.
So, this means that this entire Theology, has pre-chosen some in your family to go to hell, and burn in the Lake of Fire.

And what you have to realize is, = why would God choose them to not be chosen for Heaven, and yet He chose you, so you think?

So, when you look past the definitions and get into the rot of this doctrine of devils, you realize that Calvin and the 5-Points have denied that Jesus on the Cross is for us all.
And that is Satanic theology. And that is utter Blasphemy = posing as "the Gospel". = Galatians 1:8

Also, its teaching that God randomly chooses some for hell, and there is no basis for it, no justification for it., as God is a God of balance and justice and fairness, and Truth, who demands this of us.
Calvinism and the 5 points, recreated God to be the exact opposite.

Ask yourself.....>>>"""If all have sinned, and there is none righteous, no not one"""... If every person is a sinner, exactly like that, then what Justification does God have for refusing to Allow the Cross of Christ to be give to us all, ?? when in fact "there is none righteous, all have sinned".""

As we are all that..........all of us....... And so we are ALL of us = EQUAL Sinners, before God... so, why Would God refuse some the Gift of Christ when we are all exactly the same?

"""Christ came into the world to save SINNERS,"".. and "ALL have sinned

Calvinism and its evolved Twin the "5 points"... are a SATANIC Cross Denyiny Lie..... that willfully insults God's Grace and creates Calvinists to do this in their churches and on forums........all of them,.... regarding what that try to SELL anyone and everyone, as their Theology.

God never made a Calvinist, and He never will.

 

[PinSeeker]

If you understood John Calvinism, and the 5-points, and im not talking about a Calvinist's ability to cut and paste the definitions...

Any nit-wit can cut and paste verses and pages of theology, but not all understand what they are trying to prove.
Most dont.
They've been taught by a cult to SELL their Cult's theology, and that is not the same as understanding it. As if they truly did, they would not be selling it.

So, Here is the issue with Calvinism and the 5-points.

This doctrine of devils had defined that some people in your family are "pre-chosen" to go to hell., as if you are not pre-chosen to go to heaven, the you are pre-chosen to go to HELL.
So.....Never think that Calvinism and its evil twin the 5-points, ELECT entire families... as "pre-destined'
If you teach that entire families are "pre-destined" then you are just increasing your rate of Lying, exponentially...<<.
So, this means that this entire Theology, has pre-chosen some in your family to go to hell, and burn in the Lake of Fire.

And what you have to realize is, = why would God choose them to not be chosen for Heaven, and yet He chose you, so you think?

So, when you look past the definitions and get into the rot of this doctrine of devils, you realize that Calvin and the 5-Points have denied that Jesus on the Cross is for us all.
And that is Satanic theology. And that is utter Blasphemy = posing as "the Gospel". = Galatians 1:8

Also, its teaching that God randomly chooses some for hell, and there is no basis for it, no justification for it., as God is a God of balance and justice and fairness, and Truth, who demands this of us.
Calvinism and the 5 points, recreated God to be the exact opposite.

Total rubbish; just a ridiculous, non-sensical rant.

But a break here, because there's a little something here that's worth responding to:

Ask yourself.....>>>"""If all have sinned, and there is none righteous, no not one"""... If every person is a sinner, exactly like that, then what Justification does God have for refusing to Allow the Cross of Christ to be give to us all, ?? when in fact "there is none righteous, all have sinned".""

Let's restate this question thusly. Yes, if all have sinned, and there is none righteous, no not one, then the question is, how can we possibly be justified before God? In and of ourselves, we cannot, of course; God has to justify us ~ declare us righteous, and thus save us. But He will not compromise His justice or Himself in any way. Someone has to satisfy that justice. But no one can do that... no one is worthy to do that... except Himself. The good news, the Gospel, is that He has done that, in the Person of Jesus, the Lamb of God, Who, as Paul writes to the Philippians, "Christ Jesus, Who, though He was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." And this atonement that Jesus made on the cross is 100% effective, not in the sense that every human being is justified, but limited ~ by God ~ only God's elect, those that He chose in Christ before the foundation of the world to be, undeserved as they were/are, to be conformed to the image of His Son, and in this way the recipients of His salvific grace, His mercy and compassion.

And this:

...we are ALL of us = EQUAL Sinners, before God...

ABSOLUTELY.

However:

...why Would God refuse some the Gift of Christ when we are all exactly the same?

Again, a redirection of the question is in order. Why would God give some ~ any, really ~ the gift of Christ and His righteousness, when, yes, we are all exactly the same, wholly undeserving of this gift, and fully deserving of exactly the opposite? Well, the answer is... a five-letter word, starting with the letter 'G'... <smile>

That's grace... His absolutely amazing grace... <smile>

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

"""Christ came into the world to save SINNERS,"".. and "ALL have sinned

Calvinism and its evolved Twin the "5 points"... are a SATANIC Cross Denyiny Lie..... that willfully insults God's Grace and creates Calvinists to do this in their churches and on forums........all of them,.... regarding what that try to SELL anyone and everyone, as their Theology.

Calvinists do not teach Christianity, they teach "5-points" and Calvinsim.
This theology is a "doctrine of Devils" because it accuses God of pre-destining someone to hell, by not allowing them to Trust in Jesus, when in fact:

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners"........not just the "pre-destined" little group, as Lying Calvinism and its evil twin "5 Points" teach.

So, if you can ever realize that the CROSS is being denied, when a theology teaches that Salvation is not for EVERYONE, as an offer....
If you can ever realize this, then you've discovered one of the worst EVILS being committed by Calvinism and TULIP>, as a false Gospel

Nothing but a rant, filled with terrible inaccuracies and ridiculous and false assertions.

God never made a Calvinist, and He never will.

Ah, well, He did create John Calvin ~ as He did all of humanity ~ and used him in great ways...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Behold]

Nothing but a rant, filled with terrible inaccuracies and ridiculous and false assertions.

R. Nolette also can't defend it.. and has nothing left to say.......except.. "thats a rant".

But its not a rant.

Its a fact that TULIP does not "predestine" FAMILIES..
So, that means some in yours, according to this doctrine of devils you believe, are NOT "pre-chosen" before they were born, to go to Heaven.

You dont have to like it, but face it like an adult, honestly... as that is the DOCTRINE that owns you..... @PinSeeker .

 

[Behold]

Regarding a Theological HERESY... as related to the BIBLE and Christianity..... we find...

1.) Heresy does not usually remove the verses, it usually adds to them a man made teaching, which creates the heresy.

Most of the time.......Heresies are created by twisting only a few bible verses..

How does this deceive the deceived??

They BELIEVE the twist, that has been placed on the verse, and that becomes how they SEE IT, and that just evolves... because the heretic who wrote it, will have an entire Theology of it, and the deceive one... will become capture by it all, eventually.

Now why do they believe it, when they didnt believe it 5 mins earlier?

1.) They read it, or someone is teaching them and they were not already of sufficient understanding of Paul'sTheology, that would have told them instantly......"that is a pack of lies".. "all that is false".

2.) Heresies are of the Devil, and they have supernatural power to deceive.... which means they have the power of deception.
They are empowered by the "father of Lies", and his power is the power to "spellbind" you, which the NT refers to as "mind blinded".
That means your mind is blinded so that you now believe what isn't true.
A "doctrine of Devils" is a man made Theology, that is empowered by demonic power. It has the power to cast a spell on your mind, so that its LIES, becomes your Truth.
This is : Deception.

So, lets take Calvinism and the 5-points... and I'l show you how a certain aspect of this demonic teaching, changes how the verses in the bible are perceived by you, once this false theology, owns your mind.

2.) For example, if i was a Hyper-Calvinist....then everytime i read the NT< and i saw these words....and phrases.

"Whosover"
"The World"
"All that Call"
"As many as"
"ALL That will"
"ALL"
"Each"
"for as many"

Then if i was a deceived Calvinist or "5 pointer", then my mind would twist the verses, into:

"only the elect"..
"only the pre-chosen"..
"only the Predestined"...

.= Every time i read......."whosoever"... "as many as"... "ALL that will"... "The World".... "each", "for as many".. "ALL".

This mental situation that has been caused by a "doctrine of devils".., is what the bible refers to as the "Bewitching power" of a doctrine of Devils, that is always created by a MAN...

Paul teaches this as "WHO.. has Bewitched you, so that you no longer obey the Truth"..

And all false religions, and heresies related to Christian Theology, are MAN MADE... .always.

 

[Arthur81]

There so much hate toward Calvinism here, maybe a bit of enlightenment is in order. Comments of John Wesley

Critiques of Calvinism

1. Blasphemy of Predestination: In his sermon "Free Grace," Wesley argued that Calvinism portrays God as "worse than the devil," suggesting that the doctrine of unconditional predestination leads to a view of God as cruel and unjust. He stated, "You represent him as mocking his helpless creatures, by offering what he never intends to give" This reflects his belief that Calvinism's implications are blasphemous, as it suggests God predestines some to damnation without any hope for redemption.
2. God's Nature: Wesley asserted that the logical conclusions of Calvinism imply a God who is more malevolent than the devil, arguing that it makes God the "devouring lion" and "murderer of men" He criticized the idea that God could force individuals into sin and damnation, emphasizing that such a view misrepresents God's character.


Acknowledgment of Common Ground

3.Agreement on Key Doctrines: Despite his criticisms, Wesley acknowledged some theological commonalities with Calvin. He famously stated, “I do not differ with him (Calvin) a hair's breadth” regarding justification This indicates that while he opposed certain aspects of Calvinism, he recognized shared beliefs in original sin and justification by faith.

4. Respect for Calvin's Influence: In a more conciliatory tone, Wesley expressed gratitude for the contributions of Calvin and others in the Reformed tradition. He noted that even though he differed from them, he received much benefit from their works

5. Recognition of Theological Depth: Wesley remarked that "No man that ever lived, not John Calvin himself, ever asserted either original sin, or justification by faith, in more strong, more clear and express terms" This acknowledgment highlights his respect for Calvin’s theological clarity despite their doctrinal disagreements.

Wesley's approach to Calvin was marked by both critique and respect, illustrating the tensions within early Protestant thought regarding free will and divine sovereignty.
(From a search on www.perplexity.ai)

The Introductory Paragraph on the Encyclopedia Britannica -

John Calvin (born July 10, 1509, Noyon, Picardy, France—died May 27, 1564, Geneva, Switzerland) was a theologian and ecclesiastical statesman. He was the leading French Protestant reformer and the most important figure in the second generation of the Protestant Reformation. His interpretation of Christianity, advanced above all in his Institutio Christianae religionis (1536 but elaborated in later editions; Institutes of the Christian Religion), and the institutional and social patterns he worked out for Geneva deeply influenced Protestantism elsewhere in Europe and in North America. The Calvinist form of Protestantism is widely thought to have had a major impact on the formation of the modern world.

John Calvin | Biography, Beliefs, Predestination, Writings, Reformation, & Facts | Britannica

John Calvin, theologian and ecclesiastical statesman. He was the leading French Protestant reformer and the most important figure in the second generation of the Protestant Reformation. Learn more about Calvin’s life, beliefs, and significance in this article.

www.britannica.com

 

[Behold]

There so much hate toward Calvinism here, maybe a bit of enlightenment is in order. Comments of John Wesley

Your writer is playing shell games with Truth, typical of Calvinism.
So, of course you will try use it.

Did you ever try to find out what WESLEY believes about Gay Sex?
Try writing that Thread.
You'll find that He disagrees with your posted THEOLOGY on that subject, also, @Arthur81.

Listen,
Wesley didnt differ with the NT, ...... in that He understood that God requires OUR Faith, as Justification.

But once Calvin started teaching that God's Son does not offer Himself to all, as "the Free Gift".. as the "Blood Atonement".. and instead RESTRICTS The Cross to "only Some"....Then Wesley defined Calvin as a Devil.
He's correct.

So, Wesley was not agreeing with Calvin, He was agreeing with "Justification by Faith", and Calvin spits on this, and spits on The Cross, by REDUCING these, to... "only some are chosen" to be offered The Blood of Jesus and The Cross of Christ.

Whereas God and the NEW TESTAMENT offer Jesus for the sin of the World <.
What is that?
Its EVERY SINNER.

Its EVERY SINNER found here....>>>"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

And that is the WORLD, in : John 3:16... "For God so loved the WORLD <, that He gave His SON..

So, that is ALL the SINNERS, and WHOSEVER... .of those SINNERS, will believe in Jesus... = GOD will accept THEIR FAITH..

The verse says... "ALL who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".. not "only the predestined" as Lying Calvinism <> "5-Point" TULIP... falsely teach.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God make Christians

Calvin makes Calvinists., and you should know., and not just you.

Calvinists do not teach Christianity, they teach "5-points" and Calvinsim.
This theology is a "doctrine of Devils" because it accuses God of pre-destining someone to hell, by not allowing them to Trust in Jesus, when in fact:

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners"........not just the "pre-destined" little group, as Lying Calvinism and its evil twin "5 Points" teach.

So, if you can ever realize that the CROSS is being denied, when a theology teaches that Salvation is not for EVERYONE, as an offer....
If you can ever realize this, then you've discovered one of the worst EVILS being committed by Calvinism and TULIP>, as a false Gospel

Galatians 1:8

more verbal methane and opinion without any fact to back it up!

Answer this bible verse if you dare or are able to ( I am more and more doubrful you can)

Romans 9:14-24

King James Version

​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Other than your poverty in posting SCripture- your refusal to address the bible when it is given you is far worse of a character problem.

 

[Behold]

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

A "vessel fitted for destruction" is this one.

John 3:36

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Vessels of Mercy, are all the born again. Whom God Foreknew., And they are not pre-destined to trust in Christ, they are foreknown, in this regard.

See, God foreknows, (knows beforehand) eveyone who is going to Trust in Christ, and those who will not.. by free will choice, (before you are born).. and these = "willful Christ rejectors", that you find in Hebrews 10.... have a predestined eternity.

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

And this verse is the context of Rom 9.. its "Jews and Gentiles".


So, as i have told you many times @Ronald Nolette ...

God is not a Calvinist, and Calvinism denies The Cross.
This makes it : Galatians 1:8.
So, when you teach a false gospel, you are AGAINST the Truth, and Jesus is THE Truth.. John 14:6.
That your issue., as that is the issue for all who are deceived by TULIP, by Calvinism.

 

[Arthur81]

A "vessel fitted for destruction" is this one.

John 3:36



The Vessels of Mercy, are all the born again. Whom God Foreknew., And they are not pre-destined to trust in Christ, they are foreknown, in this regard.

See, God foreknows, (knows beforehand) eveyone who is going to Trust in Christ, and those who will not.. by free will choice, (before you are born).. and these = "willful Christ rejectors", that you find in Hebrews 10.... have a predestined eternity.



And this verse is the context of Rom 9.. its "Jews and Gentiles".


So, as i have told you many times @Ronald Nolette ...

God is not a Calvinist, and Calvinism denies The Cross.
This makes it : Galatians 1:8.
So, when you teach a false gospel, you are AGAINST the Truth, and Jesus is THE Truth.. John 14:6.
That your issue., as that is the issue for all who are deceived by TULIP, by Calvinism.

Behold, I believe after a long time of reading your many posts you should consider the proverb: Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove all Doubt.

It is clear that it is not worth the effort to waste time on your ignorant blather.

 

[Behold]

Behold, I believe after a long time of reading your many posts you should consider the proverb: Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove all Doubt.

It is clear that it is not worth the effort to waste time on your ignorant blather.

That is all you have to offer?
Listen,
You tried to use a non-Christian Source, an encyclopedia, to prove that Calvinism is not a lie., and thats a fail.
You tried to use John Wesley, who hates Calvinism, and that was a fail.
Did you want to try L Ron Hubbard, or Lady Gaga, next? How about Kamala Harris?

So, I appreciate that you are is a no-win situation, regarding trying to prove the unprovable.

1.) Calvinism or TULIP is of God

2.) God accepts gay sex, as "love".

So, you are on the wrong side of The Cross, and i tried to help you, but you are locked.

I find it interesting that you have not filled up a post with your "church Fathers" take on "God caused me to believe because im too depraved to be able to do it".
Certainly the "Cult of Mary" has some ambitious commentary on it...

 

[Carl Emerson]

You're not actually involved in a continual situation where you deal with lost sinners, in a Church, regularly. @Carl Emerson
How do i know this?
Its because when a person deals from a Pulpit, from the front of a Church, for a year, for 40 yrs......here is what you discover.

You discover that when you end the service, and you say... "now, as we stand...with every head bowed, and every eye closed, "" and you lead them into the opportunity, by the Gospel... to receive Christ as their Savior............what you learn, is that people start breathing hard, every time... Hands begin to sweat as they grip the pew in front of them, and they are squeezing it so hard.... as their hearts are beating so fast... and they KNOW that its for them that they are hearing the Gospel, as they are "under the conviction of the Holy Spirit"..
And they resist,..... sweating, heart pounding.........and 20 mins later, they are dismissed and they go to their cars, their homes, their beds later that night, and they KNEW to trust in Christ, again, durubg another Sunday in Church..= because the HOLY Spirit, caused them to understand their need, again, and again..

And here is an update for you, little one...
If you do that, too long, there becomes a LINE that you have crossed, when the Holy Spirit calls, but you can't hear Him in your heart, ever again.

Calvinism is a lie from hell.
His theology is a doctrine of devils, and it has deceived MILLIONS, and will do so tomorrow.
Jesus The Lord, is not a Calvinist.

Play the person when your theology is threatened...

Plaster them with labels and hammer away with cut and paste.

Assume the higher spiritual ground and avoid rational exchange.

After all anyone who has a different take is evil...

This doesn't sound like the Spirit of Jesus.

According to James, the Wisdom from Above is reasonable (able to be discussed) and we are to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of Peace.

 

[Scott Downey]

Your writer is playing shell games with Truth, typical of Calvinism.
So, of course you will try use it.

Did you ever try to find out what WESLEY believes about Gay Sex?
Try writing that Thread.
You'll find that He disagrees with your posted THEOLOGY on that subject, also, @Arthur81.

Listen,
Wesley didnt differ with the NT, ...... in that He understood that God requires OUR Faith, as Justification.

But once Calvin started teaching that God's Son does not offer Himself to all, as "the Free Gift".. as the "Blood Atonement".. and instead RESTRICTS The Cross to "only Some"....Then Wesley defined Calvin as a Devil.
He's correct.

So, Wesley was not agreeing with Calvin, He was agreeing with "Justification by Faith", and Calvin spits on this, and spits on The Cross, by REDUCING these, to... "only some are chosen" to be offered The Blood of Jesus and The Cross of Christ.

Whereas God and the NEW TESTAMENT offer Jesus for the sin of the World <.
What is that?
Its EVERY SINNER.

Its EVERY SINNER found here....>>>"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS".

And that is the WORLD, in : John 3:16... "For God so loved the WORLD <, that He gave His SON..

So, that is ALL the SINNERS, and WHOSEVER... .of those SINNERS, will believe in Jesus... = GOD will accept THEIR FAITH..

The verse says... "ALL who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".. not "only the predestined" as Lying Calvinism <> "5-Point" TULIP... falsely teach.

Whosoever, yes no one is excluded from believing. But only the elect do believe.
All the rest are blinded in their minds by the devil and serve him following the lusts of their heart, just as Ephesians 2 says.

v6, shows the power of God to save those He chose. God shined His light in our heart, but not the others.

Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor [a]handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If there is no Elect there would also be no assurance of salvation.

Sounds like the JW position unless you are one of the 144K.

Pounding away against the notion of knowing you are saved is a strategy to wear down young saints.

I cant see how anyone can have confidence in being saved if any aspect of the process is in human hands.

By Grace you are saved through faith NOT OF YOURSELF it is a gift from God.

 

[Behold]

Play the person when your theology is threatened...

Your post is another "hit and run'?

See @PinSeeker for the rules of that game. or @Episkopos

and hammer away with cut and paste.

I never use Cut and Paste, regarding from commentaries or from onlinesites... and i have nearly 400 Threads on this forum.
I will sometimes cut and paste a verse, or a quote from a member.

Assume the higher spiritual ground and avoid rational exchange.

You dont really do much here on the forum, so, you are just a casual observer, who needs to opine., on occasion.
For a few days in a row my Thread is your Victim.
Nothing new there.

And you posted that there is no rational exchange, yet, you cant prove this, and you avoid my direct questions.

After all anyone who has a different take is evil...

If the Theology is of the Devil, and the person is teaching it....
What do you find?

This doesn't sound like the Spirit of Jesus.

You should post a Thread, regarding the topic "The Spirit of Jesus".

More then likely, if you read that Jesus made a whip out of rope and went into the Temple, and chased them out with it, you'd feel that this verse shouldn't be in the bible.

I suspect that when you think about the Spikes that were driven into the Flesh and bones of Christ, you see this as torture only, and never as The Love of God.

Let me give you some sound advice...

Never pick sides on a Forum...........only choose Truth.
Start today.

 

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Assume the higher spiritual ground and avoid rational exchange.

Let me try this with you.

I sent this to R Nolette, and he isnt willing to engage regarding the post.

Let me send it to you, and lets have a "rational exchange"..

Here you go..
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The choosing and the adopting by GOD... is based on becoming "in Christ".,first...... and the predestination, is subsequent to the becoming "IN Christ".

How do you know?

Its because before you are IN CHRIST......you are a sinner, still in your sin... and God does not adopt sinners. God does not put sinners in Christ..

So, when you Give God YOUR faith in Christ........God FORGIVES YOUR SIN.......and that positions you to be BORN AGAIN, as your sin has to be dealt with first... and now God Gives you, the new birth, INTO CHRIST>. and now being in CHRIST. you are "chosen"' "Adopted".., and predestined for many things.

For example.

All the born again are predestined to be "conformed into the Image of Christ".
All the born again are predestined to receive a NEW Body.
All the born again are predestined to be Raptured.
All the born again are predestined to go to the Judgement seat of Christ
All the born again are predestined to rule and reign with The Lord, during the Millennial Reign of Christ.

So, for ALL that to happen, you FIRST have to become "IN Christ" ...and then what is predestined for those who are "in Christ"....begins.

 

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Whosoever, yes no one is excluded from believing. But only the elect do believe.
All the rest are blinded in their minds by the devil

Actually to DENY that Jesus is offered to all sinners, as their forgiveness based on their Faith, that God will accept,.... is a teaching that proves the person has Calvin's and the 5-point = mind blindness, regarding God's Grace.

Gods Grace is not selective as Hyper-Calvinism teaches.. As God's Grace is The Cross of Christ, and its offered to everyone by Faith.

John 3:16