Hidden Mysteries of the Bible

[Episkopos]

The born again, have already received Eternal Life.
The Born again are already "seated in Heavenly Places"..

This is the greatest Prize, of all.. as its the "Free Gift of Salvation"...

So, your verses, are not related to going to heaven, or to earning salvation.

They are related to SERVICE..... as in "present your body as a living sacrifice to God, which is your reasonable SERVICE">...

And that Service, is on a "course", that is going to earn down here, what will be given at the Judgement seat of Christ.

Your verses are referring to a CROWN, that some will achieve, after they are born again, regarding their service that is found on their "course".

Your verse speaks of "mastery"., and this is referring to becoming "as many as be perfect", as "the fullness of the stature of Christ" as Paul teaches.

The very first step of this Mastery, is to "work out your salvation".........and that is to finalize this as.... "establish your HEART with GRACE".

So, Crowns are given in heaven, based on mastery of the walk of faith, service in the work of God, and also for never being a person who loses faith.

Being a "Castaway"... is someone, is a born again Christian.......... and this one, is one of those who never became "grace" centered in their walk of Faith, and so, they became a victim of man made false teachings, that took over their mind, and they became lost in these heresies. And Paul teaches this as "subverted within themselves".....they are non-recoverable.. They are too far gone into whatever heresies they became involved with, .. .they became so hardened within their false belief system, so deeply deceived... that they are going to die in that mindset that the NT refers to as a "stronghold".

This is the "castaway".. its the unrecoverable Christian, who is so lost inside false man made heresy, that they will never recover unto truth again, regarding Paul's Doctrine.

Paul says of these, that the are to be kept out of the local church and denied any chance to spread their heresies unto church members.
They are to be locked out.

Gobbledigook that is only alive in imaginations. Paul was running the race of faith to win Christ. Not all who run are pleasing to God. Paul was after the higher walk in the Spirit. This is basically unknown in our time therefore his words have no real meaning to people who are smug and refuse to seek the face of God, believing they are rich in their fallen state. Basically Laodicea.

 

[Episkopos]

No. I do not think Christ in us is our ego...He replaces it.

He crucifies it. I didn't say that Christ in us is the ego...I said you are confusing your ego with Christ.

Our ego is the old man. And "No longer I who live but Christ who lives in me".....is only manifesting when/if we are walking in the Spirit.

That's backward thinking. First comes the living THEN the walking it out.

Jhn 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

The balance remaining on our measure of the Spirit springs up, as it were, from our initial deposit.

Tell that to the man who buried his talent in the ground. Did it rise up of itself to produce more talents?

 

[LoveYeshua]

if what you understand creates a paul who preached contrary to CHRIST , then you misunderstand .
IF anything we believe and understand
pits letter against letter of the apostels and makes claims of two gospels
or makes claims that one is for the gentile one for the jew . THe misunderstanding is wrong .
WHAT JESUS said and later men recopied in the gosples
what paul wrote , what james wrote , what jude wrote , what john and peter wrote
CONTRADICTS NOT a word OF CHRIST at all . NOR do they contradict one another .
MEN are real good at decieving . But if we read the bible for ourselves
IT WILL COME TOGETHER in time .

rev 2.2 makes me wonder sometimes.

 

[Lizbeth]

rev 2.2 makes me wonder sometimes.

I don't know how anyone can read Paul and think he is a false apostle. He was affirmed by Peter as well (2Peter 3). Why not rather think that Rev. 2:2 is talking about this:

2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

 

[RedFan]

I don't know how anyone can read Paul and think he is a false apostle. He was affirmed by Peter as well (2Peter 3)

Let's not go quite that far. Let's just say he was affirmed by the author of Second Peter, whoever that was.

 

[Ritajanice]

New Testament​

5. Matthew 6:33-34​

But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

6. Mark 16:15​

He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

Scripture reading at Sunday services at United Pentecostal church in Malawi. (© 2019 World Vision/photo by Jon Warren)

7. 1 Corinthians 7:17​

Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

8. Ephesians 4:1-6​

As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

9. Philippians 2:1-4​

Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

 

[Episkopos]

Jhn 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

What is the difference between building with perishable materials like wood, hay and stubble and building with God-tested materials like gold, silver and precious stones? ( 1 Cor. 3, 2 Tim. 2))

It is assumed that the modern bible reader will ignore all warnings and bet on a best-case scenario. I warn against such a foolish stance. I exhort people to seek God to get Him personally involved. As in " Buy from Me" (Rev. 3) the tested materials that endure for ever. There is a cost to this that indoctrinated people refuse because of the spoiled rich person gospel whereby God does everything for the privileged few (basically anyone who owns a bible and has the audacity to justify themselves based on a self-serving notion centered on their own beliefs)

What I see is that most have zero understanding, wisdom and fear of the Lord. There is a great deal of unbelief when it comes to an actual direct connection to God by the Spirit...and even less faith in God's direct involvement through visitation and personal/corporate revival.

The irresponsibility of so much modern "ministry" is very telling in its refusal to heed the biblical warnings against trusting in one's own understanding. How many will escape the judgment to come?

Ego believers (outer man believers) make themselves out to be the paradox in the bible equation...totally missing the point and the paradoxical nature of Christ and His involvement in salvation. And the actual paradox is in how people MISS the whole point of the gospel. Here is the paradox among so many...unbelieving believers, sinful saints, spoiled and priviledged "servants", foolish sages..etc.

 

[Behold]

Gobbledigook that is only alive in imaginations.

And that defines your theology... absolutely.

The fact is, there is a Judgement seat of Christ. There is "course" for each born again believer, and there are crowns in heaven that we can earn down here.
You've even used some of the verses, but you dont understand them, and neither did the commentary writer that sold you their theology.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't know how anyone can read Paul and think he is a false apostle. He was affirmed by Peter as well (2Peter 3). Why not rather think that Rev. 2:2 is talking about this:

2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

As you will soon see by a certain response of redfan that men indeed have been doing all
to justify that which they desire to beleive . As even they omit and doubt parts of the bible to fit their own beleifs .
Now its no longer peter who wrote second peter , its another . just cause in second peter
he made mention of paul and his writings . Men love to twist and to omit
the parts of the bible that get in the way of WHAT they so desire to beleive .

 

[Lizbeth]

He crucifies it. I didn't say that Christ in us is the ego...I said you are confusing your ego with Christ.


That's backward thinking. First comes the living THEN the walking it out.


Tell that to the man who buried his talent in the ground. Did it rise up of itself to produce more talents?

The point of my post was that Christ IN us is the hope of glory. One drink of that living water in us will become a well, a fountain. Yes to "investing" according to the parable of the talents, I wasn't saying otherwise.....how else can one drink become a well. We are to increase and grow in what we have been given.

 

[Lizbeth]

What is the difference between building with perishable materials like wood, hay and stubble and building with God-tested materials like gold, silver and precious stones? ( 1 Cor. 3, 2 Tim. 2))

Oh exactly my point. We are to build with what He gives us, what is of His Spirit ( which is LIVING water), not of our flesh and dead ways and things of the world.

 

[Lizbeth]

Let's not go quite that far. Let's just say he was affirmed by the author of Second Peter, whoever that was.

Be very careful of twisting/wresting the scriptures. I'm very sad to see how you are so easily led to doubt Paul on the basis of one verse that doesn't even mention him and that is easily explained by other scriptures. Paul is the one who was battling so hard to keep the early church from being deceived by false apostles....he certainly wasn't one of them.

 

[Episkopos]

The point of my post was that Christ IN us is the hope of glory. One drink of that living water in us will become a well, a fountain. Yes to "investing" according to the parable of the talents, I wasn't saying otherwise.....how else can one drink become a well. We are to increase and grow in what we have been given.

I see no discernment in your understanding concerning the kind of improvement you are thinking you are growing into. More wood, more hay, more stubble. You deflect the discourse to what is obvious in order to obscure the weakness of your position.

Increasing in what? Growing in what?

Seeing you rail against the need to be translated into the kingdom realm to improve FROM THERE (the Promised Land) in order to defend your idea that you have all you need already...you will resist the idea that you need to repent...as Jesus admonishes the Laodiceans. Jesus does NOT say that the Laodiceans need to simply grow in what they already have. Hence, my disagreement with your putting aside the "dire need" to return to Christ. The irony here is that people will rant and rant about the first first step in a race while denying the importance of any subsequent steps. The height of foolishness.

 

[Episkopos]

Oh exactly my point. We are to build with what He gives us, what is of His Spirit ( which is LIVING water), not of our flesh and dead ways and things of the world.

Your theoretical approbation (lip service) flies in the face or your actual position vis à vis any spiritual consideration. A tree is known of its fruit. You have proven to me that you have no understanding of the deeper walk that those who go to Christ in repentance and full surrender can then testify of. Your stance is AGAINST any such repentance. You claim to already be rich and in need of no other intervention of God. This flies directly in the face of the actual need of almost all believers at this time. It is the sign of the times. I know that Laodicea does NOT repent. Your own attitude directly reflects that refusal to surrender to the truth.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I don't know how anyone can read Paul and think he is a false apostle. He was affirmed by Peter as well (2Peter 3). Why not rather think that Rev. 2:2 is talking about this:

2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Did i say he was a false apostle?

 

[Lizbeth]

Increasing in what? Growing in what?

As you yourself pointed out........the parable of the talents. Increasing in the measure of what we were given.

Seeing you rail against the need to be translated into the kingdom realm to improve FROM THERE (the Promised Land) in order to defend your idea that you have all you need already

We HAVE been translated if we have received Christ and the new birth........but it's a question of now walking in it. This is our point of disagreement. It's a paradox. And if we hadn't already received it we wouldn't have the ability and potential to walk in it......because the walking out of what we have received comes from what we have received....like the parable of the talents.....what we have received grows and increases and wells up......it's the good leaven that the woman kneaded/worked into her three parts of meal (spirit, soul and bod). Oh, that lump of dough (us) gets pummelled and squashed and kneaded to work that good leaven in us thoroughly throughout our being. Think that speaks of the working out of our salvation (the woman being a symbol for the church).

Paul doesn't talk about a "higher" walk in the Spirit, he only talks about walking in the Spirit, period. Though it is a way of walking higher than our circumstances and higher than our flesh. But I agree that we are either walking in it or not. Couple of weeks or so ago I had an unpleasant situation and hard to explain but I abandoned myself to the will of God.....He took me over from the clutches of the devil who was messing me around, and I was walking in the spirit and He turned it around for blessing to all concerned. Wish I could just stay in that place and never leave it....it was a little "taste" of the powers of the world to come. So I'm not walking in it at the moment and don't claim to be. But the Spirit is within me nevertheless, true? Even if He is not welling up in me at the moment. And I'm sure the "potential" is there in all of us who believe to walk in it always, like Jesus was. I think adversity coupled with our weakness is a necessary ingredient along with that good living leaven , to turn the dough into bread.

 

[Lizbeth]

Did i say he was a false apostle?

You seem to be implying it.....please do clarify if you are being misunderstood.

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh exactly my point. We are to build with what He gives us, what is of His Spirit ( which is LIVING water), not of our flesh and dead ways and things of the world.

THE VERY FIRST THING HE GIVES US , IS HE IS THE CHRIST , THE SAVOIR , BELIEVING IN HIM .
seems to me that many now rather preach SUMTHING ELSE . and that sumething else omits
the DIRE NEED TO HAVE EVEN BELIEVED ON HIM . OH it can use truths and teach concepts about the spirit
about the cross about being crucified , BUT HAS DENIED the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
SO it cometh of anti christ as does all other CHRIST DENYING concepts .

 

[amigo de christo]

ye can silence me but you cannot ever silence the truth . TIME to remind all of the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
cause no matter how much a man teaches about his concepts , if one BELIEVETH NOT its all in vain .
VAIN and vainty and leadeth all to the second death .

 

[LoveYeshua]

You seem to be implying it.....please do clarify if you are being misunderstood.

No, not implying simply have difficulty harmonizing Paul's epistles with Jesus's words that's all. some of what Paul said and did do not "seem" to be in accord with What Jesus was teaching that is all I meant, As a scientist i was trained to question everything and get to the bottom of things, it's a habbit I have and can't shake it.