The world has been “made right” in front of God.

[MatthewG]

A thousand years has been set aside for perfecting everyone. It is the easy way, not the narrow way that Christians have to take now.

Isaiah 11:1-10 (WEB):

(1) A shoot will come out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots will bear fruit. {Jesus}​

(2) Yahweh’s Spirit will rest on him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh.​

(3) His delight will be in the fear of Yahweh. He will not judge by the sight of his eyes, neither decide by the hearing of his ears;​

(4) but with righteousness he will judge the poor, and decide with equity for the humble of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips he will kill the wicked.​

(5) Righteousness will be the belt of his waist, and faithfulness the belt of his waist.​

(6) The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; The calf, the young lion, and the fattened calf together; and a little child will lead them.​

(7) The cow and the bear will graze. Their young ones will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the ox.​

(8) The nursing child will play near a cobra’s hole, and the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.​

(9) They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea.​

(10) It will happen in that day that the nations will seek the root of Jesse, who stands as a banner of the peoples; and his resting place will be glorious.​

Isaiah 35:1-10 (WEB):

(1) The wilderness and the dry land will be glad. The desert will rejoice and blossom like a rose.​

(2) It will blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing. Lebanon’s glory will be given to it, the excellence of Carmel and Sharon. They will see Yahweh’s glory, the excellence of our God.​

(3) Strengthen the weak hands, and make firm the feeble knees.​

(4) Tell those who have a fearful heart, “Be strong. Don’t be afraid. Behold, your God will come with vengeance, God’s retribution. He will come and save you.​

(5) Then the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf will be unstopped.​

(6) Then the lame man will leap like a deer, and the tongue of the mute will sing; for waters will break out in the wilderness, and streams in the desert.​

(7) The burning sand will become a pool, and the thirsty ground springs of water. Grass with reeds and rushes will be in the habitation of jackals, where they lay.​

(8) A highway will be there, a road, and it will be called The Holy Way. The unclean shall not pass over it, but it will be for those who walk in the Way. Wicked fools will not go there.​

(9) No lion will be there, nor will any ravenous animal go up on it. They will not be found there; but the redeemed will walk there.​

(10) Then Yahweh’s ransomed ones will return, and come with singing to Zion; and everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”​

That's why there will be a testing and a judgement at the end of the 1,000 years of reign, to ensure that only those suitable for eternal life will be allowed to have eternal life.

You should post your view somewhere else not here. You're try to over run the thread. I'll report you if you don't stop.

If you wanna post about the topic that is fine. No more off topic.

Post to original topic: All people are Justified in front of God - even with the sin life they lived.

Respectfully matthew.

 

[keithr]

But you shouldn't keep going back and forth with me.

You posted a question, I was trying to answer your question. You're welcome.

 

[MatthewG]

You posted a question, I was trying to answer your question. You're welcome.

You can always Pm, sir. I don't remember my question to you but okay then. Idk what else you may want. Goodbye!

Respectfully matthew.

 

[MatthewG]

Please take time to read this whole post.

First, this is not a message to say "You can sin all you want to!"
Secondly, in my life I have sinned here and there. Yahavah, by the spirit, will correct me. I know instantly when I have done wrong, and there is no doubt about that.
However, even though before I knew what it was which was wrong, I had to learn what that was. After that I didn't need to know about it again because of the holy spirit of Yahavah, reminds us through life.
Thirdly, all sin for all people has been accomplished by the victory of Jesus Christ.


All people are justified before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now, this is significant "Justification" because people are now held responsible for their own choices in this life. Good or bad, they are justified because of the death of Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean that all people reach out, and then move forward to the "Sanctification" phase of their life, where Yahavha gives the holy spirit in the heart of a "believer." I believe it comes down to "faith, faithlessness." Those are the only two differences between a believer, and a non-believer though the non-believer is still justified in front of Yahavah.

(I am someone who believes there is an outside of the kingdom, and inside of the Kingdom, and believe that those who choose faithlessness remain on the outside, however their sins were paid for, before they had come to judgement, what was the judgement?

Did you have faith, and did you love. That is the works of God aren't they? To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.

 

[keithr]

You should post your view somewhere else not here. You're try to over run the thread. I'll report you if you don't stop.

You explicitly asked me a question (see post #62), so I was trying to answer your question. What are you going to report me for?

If you wanna post about the topic that is fine. No more off topic.

Again, you asked me a question - it would be rude of me not to answer!

 

[MatthewG]

You explicitly asked me a question (see post #62), so I was trying to answer your question. What aer you going to report me for?


Again, you asked me a question - it would be rude of me not to answer!

Thank you for answering Keith. Sorry I am a human, a sinner, forgetful, no good. Love ya!


Sorry I am such a sorry son of a gun.

I am on the verge of just ignoring you though.

You should just walk away and leave me alone. Not everyone is mentally stable, I am probably scitzo.

Respecfully Matthew.

 

[MatthewG]

Sometimes I don't care about peoples answers. That is the truth, cause a lot of it is just traditional teachings. That is just being realistic... @keithr peace bud.

Forgive me.

 

[keithr]

Sometimes I don't care about peoples answers. That is the truth, cause a lot of it is just traditional teachings. That is just being realistic... @keithr peace bud.

Forgive me.

Of course I forgive you. . We're all imperfect (yep, me too!). I was just trying to share what I believe to be the true meaning of the Scriptures (agreeing with some of what you wrote and disagreeing with some things). Isn't that the point of this forum, to help each other understand God's word to us as best as we can? I've learnt some new things since reading and participating in this forum, and I appreciate those posters that posted that information - it's a delight to learn new understandings of God's word. Some things I used to believe I now realise were incorrect; it's the same for all of us. As Paul wrote, 1 Corinthians 13:9-13 (WEB):

(9) For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;​

(10) but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with.​

(11) When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child. Now that I have become a man, I have put away childish things.​

(12) For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, even as I was also fully known.​

(13) But now faith, hope, and love remain—these three. The greatest of these is love.​

I look forward to knowing fully, and being with our Lord Yeshua!

I am on the verge of just ignoring you though.

You should just walk away and leave me alone. Not everyone is mentally stable, I am probably scitzo.

I'm sorry if I may have upset you by joining in the discussions. If it bothers you that much then I'll stop replying to this thread.

1 Peter 3:8-9 (WEB):

(8) Finally, be all like-minded, compassionate, loving as brothers, tender hearted, courteous,​

(9) not rendering evil for evil, or insult for insult; but instead blessing; knowing that to this were you called, that you may inherit a blessing.​

 

[MatthewG]

Of course I forgive you. . We're all imperfect (yep, me too!).

At least we realize that.

I was just trying to share what I believe to be the true meaning of the Scriptures

Well what you believe and what I believe about things are completely separate from each other. Like the whole 1,000 years to me it’s 40. It’s illogical to you, but not to me.

(agreeing with some of what you wrote and disagreeing with some things). Isn't that the point of this forum, to help each other understand God's word to us as best as we can?

No, some people desire you to accept their beliefs, and if you’re not willing, to accept or change said beliefs to theirs. In their mind, that person is not a real believer anyway. Many would consider me a heretic, due to my own beliefs. But our beliefs are our own “believed beliefs.” Nothing more.

I've learnt some new things since reading and participating in this forum, and I appreciate those posters that posted that information -

I’m glad I could be honest with you about not caring sometimes about the answers I receive. It’s selfish of me, and I get that but at the same time? I’m not considering them a non-Christian believer.

it's a delight to learn new understandings of God's word. Some things I used to believe I now realise were incorrect; it's the same for all of us.

Sure, I’m sure Yahvah by his spirit can guide us to truth over man.

As Paul wrote, 1 Corinthians 13:9-13 (WEB):

(9) For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;​

(10) but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with.​

(11) When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child. Now that I have become a man, I have put away childish things.​

(12) For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, even as I was also fully known.​

(13) But now faith, hope, and love remain—these three. The greatest of these is love.​

I look forward to knowing fully, and being with our Lord Yeshua!

Hey! I respect that. And love you for it.

I'm sorry if I may have upset you by joining in the discussions. If it bothers you that much then I'll stop replying to this thread.

Whatever you want to do, because if it’s not on topic anymore your best bet will be to walk away.

1 Peter 3:8-9 (WEB):

(8) Finally, be all like-minded, compassionate, loving as brothers, tender hearted, courteous,​

(9) not rendering evil for evil, or insult for insult; but instead blessing; knowing that to this were you called, that you may inherit a blessing.​

Thank you for the good reminder!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I told you those people were not lied to. Yes. I’m an openly confessing follower of Yeshua who proclaims that he did come back as promised to those people in faith. Otherwise Jesus is just a fraud in my opinion. So is the apostle who wrote that letter.



This is why I hate dealing with “traditions.”

Because people are gonna most likely side with what they believe “traditionally” and not what is true…

You did not answewr my question.

Do you believe that what we call the "rapture" as described in 1 Thess. 4 has already happened?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette

Yes or no, where these people lied to?

“Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬

1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.

bible.com

If they were lied too how can we justify anything that your quoting… how can we trust the Bible if all there is lies in it?

These people never seen the return? Is what some may say. I disagree.

So you believe 1 thess 4 15-18 has already happened?

 

[MatthewG]

@Ronald Nolette

I told you those people were not lied to. Yes. I’m an openly confessing follower of Yeshua who proclaims that he did come back as promised to those people in faith. Otherwise Jesus is just a fraud in my opinion. So is the apostle who wrote that letter.



This is why I hate dealing with “traditions.”

Because people are gonna most likely side with what they believe “traditionally” and not what is true…

@Ronald Nolette

Yes or no, where these people lied to?

“Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬

1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.

bible.com

If they were lied too how can we justify anything that your quoting… how can we trust the Bible if all there is lies in it?

These people never seen the return? Is what some may say. I disagree.

If you disagree. That’s fine.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette





If you disagree. View attachment 49686 That’s fine.

and none of this answers the simple question do you believe what Paul wrote here has already taken place. All it takes is a yes or no. Why you are being ecasive is a dark problem.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

King James Version

​

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[MatthewG]

bro, stop it.


Yes. I’ve said three times.


Your acting malicious, @Ronald Nolette.

Your abusing me, because I done answered three times, and then ignoring my question to you.

Messed up, dude.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I said yes… @Ronald Nolette.

OKAY

bro, stop it.


Yes. I’ve said three times.

So there is no more snatching away of saints anymore according to you.

 

[MatthewG]

OKAY

So there is no more snatching away of saints anymore according to you.

@Ronald Nolette i don’t understand.

People die and are resurrected and meet up with Jesus as far as I know, or well faithfully believe. Then set in their destined place, outside or inside the city. Many just say their relatives are just laying in the grave still, waiting for that day.

 

[amigo de christo]

So are you teaching that all men are justified before God whether they trust in Jesus or not and some of these justfied people will spend forever in the lake of fire?

He is reading scrips through the mind of another belief .
that is why people can often quoate something and yet what they quoate from scrips
MANY other places would contradict HOW they tried to explain that one scrip .
YOU IS RIGHT my friend . KEEP preaching the one true gospel . many have abandoned it for another hope which wont be saving squat .

 

[amigo de christo]

You did not answewr my question.

Do you believe that what we call the "rapture" as described in 1 Thess. 4 has already happened?

mathew is doing as have many others before him do and many still do .
THEY try and make scripture fit what THEY WANT to beleive.
He is not alone either . the key is when we quoate something and try and imply it means this or that
and that this or that CONTRADICTS other places , IT US WHO BE WRONG . but mathew dont do that .
No sir he has a mindset that beleives in things like preterism and etc . He is finding certain scrips
HE thinks backs up what he believes , YET IF WE read many other places we would see HIS way of seeing it
IS wrong as it contradicts things . many do this .
not just mathew , many do this . that is why we have universalism , inclusvism , prosperity gospel and etc .
PEOPLE twist things and if you watch you will see what they quoated and how they use it ,
WILL CONTRADICT other places . that is a bad sign .

 

[MatthewG]

mathew is doing as have many others before him do and many still do .
THEY try and make scripture fit what THEY WANT to beleive.
He is not alone either . the key is when we quoate something and try and imply it means this or that
and that this or that CONTRADICTS other places , IT US WHO BE WRONG . but mathew dont do that .
No sir he has a mindset that beleives in things like preterism and etc . He is finding certain scrips
HE thinks backs up what he believes , YET IF WE read many other places we would see HIS way of seeing it
IS wrong as it contradicts things . many do this .
not just mathew , many do this . that is why we have universalism , inclusvism , prosperity gospel and etc .
PEOPLE twist things and if you watch you will see what they quoated and how they use it ,
WILL CONTRADICT other places . that is a bad sign .

@amigo de christo , do you have anything to share about the topic? If you wanna address the topic me and Ronald was talking about.

Do you believe the people addressed in Thess, were lied too? Misquoting scriptures, typically also leaves out the original audience.

 

[amigo de christo]

OKAY

So there is no more snatching away of saints anymore according to you.

They beleive a lot of this occured in seventy ad and etc . its known as preterism .
BUT i tell us all , This is not the case .
JESUS will appear for the saints and we who are alive will be caught up with HIM
the dead in Christ shall rise and we shall all be forever with the glorious LORD .
In fact , that day and that hour is a WHOLE LOT CLOSER than most folks would even imagine .
The signs of the times are very clear . VERY clear . for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear .
OH JESUS is coming back for the church my friend . and most mock this . but HE IS a coming
and that sky gonna rip . OH you can bank on that my friend . HOME with the LORD forever too .