Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Marymog]

No need for me to respond to it as it covered what I already addressed in post #475.

Either you are confused or dishonest. I am not sure which. You did not address post #480 from me in post #475. How could you address a post from me that you hadn't even seen yet (475 comes before 480). Sooooooooo let's try again. Here ONCE AGAIN is the question you didn't answer: Is there any teaching/doctrine of the Mormon/LDS faith that is not in Scripture?

 

[Marymog]

Again, no. I just explained this.

Lol.....OK kiddo. What you explained is what your church calls itself. None the less.....You are not arguing with me. You are arguing with the dictionary and the common language of the common man. I asked for a dictionary definition......you gave your own. What more is there to say?

Thanks for

 

[Wrangler]

Your "PRIDE" accusation makes no sense.

I never said that I am Christian and not Protestant.

Poor Mary. I am not accusing you of this. @Jane_Doe22 confessed this. I take her confession as sincere.

However, the point was not about her confession but the PRIDE in ya'll denying her confession. You and others seem to hold yourselves as a greater authority of what @Jane_Doe22 believes than @Jane_Doe22 is.

A friend of mine compared notes. My 1st wife and his current wife both denied our feelings when we told them. They held themselves to be a greater authority of how we felt than we are. Not too humble. Same with religious theology.

Furthermore, that is not a quote from Thomas Jefferson. Here is what he actually wrote (actual quote): But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

The horrific lack of honesty I have seen on this thread is not Christ like.

Paraphrased quote. (Maybe I heard it wrong) Thanks for finding it exactly. Did I get the sentiment of religious liberty right?

 

[Wrangler]

Either you are confused or dishonest. I am not sure which. You did not address post #480 from me in post #475. How could you address a post from me that you hadn't even seen yet (475 comes before 480).

This sort of thing happens a lot on this site for some reason.

ME: I had a hamburg for dinner last night.
YOU: What did you have for dinner last night?

Sooooooooo let's try again. Here ONCE AGAIN is the question you didn't answer: Is there any teaching/doctrine of the Mormon/LDS faith that is not in Scripture?

Agh! Irrelevant. That's my answer!

You do love your Diversions. This thread is about whether LDS are Christian. They obviously are. In fact, I presented a link showing they are actually the 4th largest Christian denomination in America. The centricity of their doctrines to Scripture is irrelevant.

I know. I know. You and @Super Kal's entire line of attack is rooted in this Diversion. I'm a tennis fan. This is true even though sometimes I watch football. That I watch football is really irrelevant to the fact that I am a tennis fan. What's that you say? What does this have to do with what we are talking about?

Exactly! I can be BOTH a tennis fan AND watch football. Likewise LDS can be Christian AND have teaching/doctrine not in Scripture.

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

I totally respect your views there, while myself believing differently.


The truest joy doesn't just come from the outside-- like hanging out in a great house, relaxing life, loving father, etc.

Rather, the truest joy is also from within you-- you transformed to inwardly have that same deep love that the Father has, that same sense of justice and mercy, same deep knowledge and experience, etc. That transformation is a process.

without a doubt, my joy is from The Lord. The Holy Spirit is in me not because of what I have done but because of His mercy and grace and love for me. My life isn't perfect but my desire to honor Him with my life is strong.

One day I will meet Him in Heaven and spend eternity in worship of His power, His holy glory.

 

[Super Kal]

FRAUD…that was not my answer to your question…

My answer to YOUR question was…

No, I will not answer a definitive yes or no question regarding an unknown religion or an unknown Jesus.

You are nothing more than a heretic to me, and your words mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not allowed to put people like you on my ignore list, so just in the future, just know, I will never respond kindly to you, and I will never pray for blessings on your life.

The Bible makes it explicitly clear how we are supposed to deal with heretics like you: to call people like you out, then avoid you.. since this website does not allow me to put people from me and counter team on ignore, I will do my very best to stomach the blasphemy that comes from your mouth.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

without a doubt, my joy is from The Lord. The Holy Spirit is in me not because of what I have done but because of His mercy and grace and love for me. My life isn't perfect but my desire to honor Him with my life is strong.

One day I will meet Him in Heaven and spend eternity in worship of His power, His holy glory.

Totally a million % agree that the origin of joy is from the Lord, and because of His grace & love. It's not because anything we have done.

For me, the highest form of worship is to become like Him- allowing His Holy power transform me. Sharing that same amazing love with Him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hey considering you got toe believe in that Christ the Son of God died and rose from the dead for our sins to be "Mormon" in the first place, we're doing pretty good

Yes that is true. but if you believe that you must "maintain" you salvation by good works or any other derivative of that- then a person is in trouble and may not be saved. for they are trusting in Jesus +something to save.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes that is true. but if you believe that you must "maintain" you salvation by good works or any other derivative of that- then a person is in trouble and may not be saved. for they are trusting in Jesus +something to save.

If this is true, what is Matthew 7:21-23 all about?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yes that is true. but if you believe that you must "maintain" you salvation by good works or any other derivative of that- then a person is in trouble and may not be saved. for they are trusting in Jesus +something to save.

Let me clarify things here. Starting with saying the following ideas are just false trash:
- You can remotely work your way to Heaven.
- Accepting Christ gives you a license to sin in any way
- "Oh yeah I accept Christ" and then continuing the exact same unremorseful sinful way / heart you did before.

What's is a true idea: giving ones whole heart/might/mind/soul to Him and being reborn in Him. Accepting Him is a transformation. And because we each love Him, we try to follow His commandments. *Try* is a very key word here, because we each frequently totally fail at it. Repentance is a very real and ongoing thing. But we should at least have some desire to follow Him and walk in His ways.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let me clarify things here. Starting with saying the following ideas are just false trash:
- You can remotely work your way to Heaven.
- Accepting Christ gives you a license to sin in any way
- "Oh yeah I accept Christ" and then continuing the exact same unremorseful sinful way / heart you did before.

What's is a true idea: giving ones whole heart/might/mind/soul to Him and being reborn in Him. Accepting Him is a transformation. And because we each love Him, we try to follow His commandments. *Try* is a very key word here, because we each frequently totally fail at it. Repentance is a very real and ongoing thing. But we should at least have some desire to follow Him and walk in His ways.

I agree 100%

 

[Taken]

@Super Kal

Super angry…. Aw
Doubt accusing others will cure your

 

[Taken]

Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

They Speak for themselves:

“We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”

If not to your liking, so what?
The door swings both ways.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not going to go away just because you don't like what I have to say...

The book of Super Kal 1:1

I'm not allowed to put people like you on my ignore list

I wonder if I've earned this coveted category yet?

I will never respond kindly to you, and I will never pray for blessings on your life.

The book of Super Kal 1:2

 

[Pyreaux]

Christianity is too broad a category to exclude them. This seems to be an American born obsession. Europe had established religions, and they disregarded any "other" sects, aka cults (of sectarian Protestantism). But this idea came to America which has no establishment of a religion, so defining who the establishment religion is, and the cult is, outsiders to the establishment is incoherent. But the 80's Americans were just obsessed with using/misusing the word cult, after Branch Davidians and Heaven's Gate.

Identifying them as Heretic or Apostate Christians is at best the only coherent things to say. Even ancient Christian heretics were identified as Christians, we still call them Gnostic Christians, Coptic Christians, Jewish-Christian groups that were (Judaizers).

 

[MatthewG]

Mormons teach more than just Jesus… and Jesus sometimes is just a front to use, for gain…

@Taken - Have you ever went to a Lds church yourself and heard what they teach? From my understanding it’s much more than just Jesus and the Bible… it’s other books too…



I get it. Yes there are people who are Christian’s in the Mormon building, Mormonism was stated by Joseph smith…


let me just put it this way….


A person can lie and say they believe Jesus rose again while in the heart the focus is still on themselves and not Jesus and what he had done for them… it’s more like


“You need to do this and that and this, and you’ll reach this certain level in heaven” excludes Jesus… it’s all about the self.

 

[MatthewG]

But anyone who is defending an organization ain’t gonna tell you all the extra stuff; and they’ll lie about what really goes on…

No one knows unless they go into the building




They have living apostles.

No the religious section known as Mormonism though they teach the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ they don’t continue to stay rooted always in the Bible…


You need the Book of Mormon?


And you need to this and do that and work your way to heaven!

 

[MatthewG]

No Mormonism is not “Christian” there could be possibly Holy Spirit believer who may go there. But what Mormonism teaches is Religion! Just like Catholic Church teaches Religion.



It’s all bondage.

Nothing more.

If you wanna go there by all means go there but they ain’t gonna save you. I promise you that.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

But anyone who is defending an organization ain’t gonna tell you all the extra stuff; and they’ll lie about what really goes on…

I've been talking about MY faith in Christ. You're the only one talking about any organization. I get that some people think "religion = organization = something different than a person having a relationship with Christ" but I don't approach things with that mindset. Faith is deeply personal. And I respect the faith of Evangelicals (for example) even though I hear them preaching extra-biblical stuff from the pulpit.

No one knows unless they go into the building

Yep, been there many years. I've also been to many other faith buildings and studied their beliefs there. For me, this helps me better understand my neighbor and helps me better understand them.

And you need to this and do that and work your way to heaven!

False.

 

[MatthewG]

I've been talking about MY faith in Christ. You're the only one talking about any organization. I get that some people think "religion = organization = something different than a person having a relationship with Christ" but I don't approach things with that mindset. Faith is deeply personal. And I respect the faith of Evangelicals (for example) even though I hear them preaching extra-biblical stuff from the pulpit.


Yep, been there many years. I've also been to many other faith buildings and studied their beliefs there. For me, this helps me better understand my neighbor and helps me better understand them.

False.

Jane.

Mormonism is not Christian. No matter if you exclusively share your own faith. There is no such thing as LDS Christians... That is all a facade...

I don't really mind you sharing your faith.

However you do not represent the whole of "the MORMON" Church, okay?

I really just wish this thread would get locked up because people are confused here... CHRISTIANITY is a Religion, Mormonism is a Religion. They aren't combined, they are both religions...

Jesus came to break people out of religious bondage. And free them in the spirit... Not showing up to a church... which deems itself "the true church."

Yeah okay.