The world has been “made right” in front of God.

[MatthewG]

Please take time to read this whole post.

1 John 2:2

And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

First, this is not a message to say "You can sin all you want to!"
Secondly, in my life I have sinned here and there. Yahavah, by the spirit, will correct me. I know instantly when I have done wrong, and there is no doubt about that.
However, even though before I knew what it was which was wrong, I had to learn what that was. After that I didn't need to know about it again because of the holy spirit of Yahavah, reminds us through life.
Thirdly, all sin for all people has been accomplished by the victory of Jesus Christ.


The whole world had been made right before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now, this is significant "Justification" because people are now held responsible for their own choices in this life. Good or bad, they are justified because of the death of Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean that all people reach out, and then move forward to the "Sanctification" phase of their life, where Yahavha gives the holy spirit in the heart of a "believer." I believe it comes down to "faith, faithlessness." Those are the only two differences between a believer, and a non-believer though the non-believer is still justified in front of Yahavah.

(I am someone who believes there is an outside of the kingdom, and inside of the Kingdom, and believe that those who choose faithlessness remain on the outside, however their sins were paid for, before they had come to judgement, what was the judgement?

Did you have faith, and did you love. That is the works of God aren't they? To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.

 

[Windmill Charge]

To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.

Jesus's sacrifice for us is amazing, but your last line is key to salvation.
Jesus's love holiness, righteousness you and grace is more than enough to cover the sins of every person who has, is or will live.
They in their unbelief have to believe.
As Roman 4 :The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

Says we who believe.
How will they believe? Is it all of Godd or all of man?

 

[MatthewG]

It’s a problem for many, religious people for sin to be done and over with. Cause the repentance isn’t “oh God I stole a cookie” it’s “Lord God help me be more relying on you!” “Lord God help my faith!” That’s the gist.

Cause naturally when a believer sins, they are confronted by the guilt instantly or realized later. Their sins are paid for but, they just realized what they had done and they desire for it to not happen again, but doesn’t mean a person won’t steal ever again. (Ever steal someone’s time?) (ever gossip that’s taking away time and life from the other.)

But it’s not going to a pastor or a reverend saying “oh I stole a cookies!” You go to Yahavah about these things yourself and you start being responsible for your life in front of the God of Israel who adopted people as his children due to faith…

When a person who is a nonbeliever sins, there may be no remorse or guilt. They have yet to awaken to the truth in spiritual experience, because they are still spiritually dead not yet made alive to realize. Doesn’t mean later on they won’t, or that they are t justified before Yahavah… they are… it’s just they are completely responsible for themselves, and Yahavah will see ( did they have faith, did the love) despite any set back a individual may go through.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please take time to read this whole post.

First, this is not a message to say "You can sin all you want to!"
Secondly, in my life I have sinned here and there. Yahavah, by the spirit, will correct me. I know instantly when I have done wrong, and there is no doubt about that.
However, even though before I knew what it was which was wrong, I had to learn what that was. After that I didn't need to know about it again because of the holy spirit of Yahavah, reminds us through life.
Thirdly, all sin for all people has been accomplished by the victory of Jesus Christ.


All people are justified before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now, this is significant "Justification" because people are now held responsible for their own choices in this life. Good or bad, they are justified because of the death of Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean that all people reach out, and then move forward to the "Sanctification" phase of their life, where Yahavha gives the holy spirit in the heart of a "believer." I believe it comes down to "faith, faithlessness." Those are the only two differences between a believer, and a non-believer though the non-believer is still justified in front of Yahavah.

(I am someone who believes there is an outside of the kingdom, and inside of the Kingdom, and believe that those who choose faithlessness remain on the outside, however their sins were paid for, before they had come to judgement, what was the judgement?

Did you have faith, and did you love. That is the works of God aren't they? To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.

You have a simple error in your conjclusion.

Yes, Jesus paid for every single person's sins when He shed His blood on the cross. However in order for an individual to be justified befopre god, they must receive by faith the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus as the sole payment for their sins. If they do this, then they are justified before God. It is this faith that causes the justification to be placed on a person's account.

 

[MatthewG]

That’s not what Paul said @Ronald Nolette.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

That’s true or not. One must decide for themselves.

If you wanna make it to heavenly city, yes faith seems to be the requirement.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That’s not what Paul said @Ronald Nolette.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

That’s true or not. One must decide for themselves.

If you wanna make it to heavenly city, yes faith seems to be the requirement.

So are you teaching that all men are justified before God whether they trust in Jesus or not and some of these justfied people will spend forever in the lake of fire?

 

[MatthewG]

So are you teaching that all men are justified before God whether they trust in Jesus or not and some of these justfied people will spend forever in the lake of fire?

Did you even read the original post? Go back and try that. You’ll find out really quick. I’m not joking with the title…

 

[rwb]

That’s not what Paul said @Ronald Nolette.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

That’s true or not. One must decide for themselves.

If you wanna make it to heavenly city, yes faith seems to be the requirement.

Is it really ALL people without exception, or is it ALL people that believe on Him for eternal life?

 

[MatthewG]

RWB, I believe it's talking about how all sins are taken care of for the world, believer or not... This is about Justification in front of Yahavah. All are justified in front of Yahavah... because of Jesus and his payment for their sin. The only thing is, it seems they have the choice to include Yahavah in their life or reject him. Which a believer goes on to "sanctification." A non-believer remains spiritually dead, until they come to Christ, but his death, cleared them in order to come to the Father, through Yeshua, because of everything he did "to pay for all sins of the world."



Yes, it is really all people... People always try to jiggle around this, and say you gotta believe first, was the death of the Lord Jesus christ death not justified in paying for sin, and reconciling the world unto Yahavah?


This is why in the original post: It's adamant to understand how everyone is totally responsible for themselves... God's glory is seen in the heavens, just as much as his handwork looking at the skys, stars, moon, sun, and etc... the firmament.

There is only one way, through the gate which Yeshua, stands by. And Yeshua made it possible for all people to get to Yahavah now...

 

[MatthewG]

Wasn't there only "one sin" that was not forgivable in this age or the next. While all sins are paid for, there seems to be "unbelief" which keeps people from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven...

How does that make you feel? What does that say about the reality of the current situation you see yourself in?


Should I harp on people's sin, or should we share the love of God, and him and how we die to our flesh and live to the spirit, and all those wonderful and great things which come to be new news, to new people coming in. This is one reason I hope that I'll get back to teaching as my brain continues to become restored after having done meth for about 6 months straight every single day just about it.

Anything in that time which was good, came from Yeshua, to others, and never me... I did have to make a little effort to put down drugs. However, it's because of the Lord Jesus Christ and his strength which helped really lay it down.

Yahavah is Good! A month clean now off meth, and working on now going a month without marijuana. Did those things make me not a Christian? I continued to have faith even through all those times and moments. Lost of rewards? Maybe. Lost of time that could have been more constructive, possibly.

"Its my responsibility how I walk in front of Yahavah" - regardless of how other people walk with Yahavah. You are responsible for your own life, and choices, but you are loved, cared for, and desired to be seen as a Child of his, if you allow him to be your Father. There may be sometimes chastisement that comes.

 

[Taken]

All people are Justified in front of God - even with the sin life they lived.

Justification OF Salvation…IS expressly one who HAS receiv-ed Salvation…(be they bodily alive crucified with Jesus, bodily dead but was crucified with Jesus during their life time….or bodily dead having died believing in God and His word, while even NOT Knowing the name of Gods Word.}
THEY…ARE Sanctified (set apart)
THEY…ARE Justified to be Risen up in a glorified Body, having a saved soul, and quickened spirit.


Justification for receiving “Blessings” during their life-time (and thereafter ) is According to the WORKS they DO….during their life-time that Glorifies God…

Every man…(regardless of they SAVED or NOT)….SHALL…receive….

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Works of ANY, ALL men (saved or not)…whose works DID NOT glorify God…shall be works that are burned.

1 Cor 3:
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: (OF A FAVORABLE REWARD) but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Men LIKE to JUDGE the behaviors of OTHER men….especially if the other men CLAIM to Believe….or CLAIM to be Saved “AS IF”…
Men have authority to supersede the order and way God has offered His gift of Salvation to the whole world, that He bought and paid for, That He expressly reveals to WHOM and HOW any individual can receive His Gift.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

@Taken,

Did you read the original post? Or are you just commenting to the title? Or are you just commenting to “encounter?”

This answer will determine whether or not I read your post.

All people are justified in front of Yahavah. Their sins are paid for. Now they can reach out to him. In faith… praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ for paying for all sin.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

He paid for sin which many, many people deny his justified death in being for all people. Yahavah is not angry with the world anymore and all have access to him…



If… of course one reaches out.

 

[Super Kal]

@MatthewG
I'm a bit confused at what you're trying to say.. are you saying that we are justified before we have faith in Christ?

 

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG
I'm a bit confused at what you're trying to say.. are you saying that we are justified before we have faith in Christ?

We are justified by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in order to reach Yahavah. Our sins do not keep us away from him (except unbelief.) They were paid for. We decide if we near God or do not at all.

Let me share this with you and you share what you think Paul is saying here?

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

To answer by yes or no. Yes we are justified before Yahavah, before we have faith because of the death of Jesus Christ, and his rising again.

 

[Super Kal]

That verse doesn't say everyone is automatically justified, it says that justification is made available to all.
If what you say is true, I don't have to have faith in Jesus in order to be justified.

That same chapter you quote from also says at the very beginning it is by faith we are justified:

Romans 5:1
"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Christ's death on the cross made justification available to all
Our faith applies that justification to our life, washes us from our sins, and saves us

 

[MatthewG]

That is exactly what it says...

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

A believer is not "all people" - because of their sins being paid for - they now have access to get to Yahavah. Now whether or not they do it, it's up to them. Their sins have been forgiven. The only sin that is not forgiven is unbelief.

@Super Kal, what it seems like your saying is this

It's the same thing as people saying that Jesus did not pay for all sins, but only the sins of the "believer." That is not true.

 

[MatthewG]

It's hard to accept in the face of the traditional suggestion...

"You have to turn to Jesus before you are saved from your sins!"

That is not the truth... Reality says, "Jesus Christ has paid for your sins already. It's put up to you to believe in him, and follow after him."

1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Not only believers, but also unbelievers!


(Please read the original post to get an understanding!)

 

[Super Kal]

I did read your post, and in your entire post, you only relied on one single, solitary verse taken out of its context to try and prove that we, even when we are unbelievers, are justified to Christ, which means we don't have to have faith in order to be justified to Christ...

you cannot take Romans 5 out of its context. The apostle Paul says that it is through faith in which we are justified, He says that at the very beginning of Romans 5... he never says that we are justified without faith, because... Romans 5:18 is simply stating that the death of Christ was made accessible to every one. It is talking about the scope of the atonement.

Yes, I'm very well aware of 1 John 2:2 as well, it says that the propitiation was made for the world, meaning salvation itself is available to all, it does not mean that everyone is automatically justified. That that verse and the verse that you originally quoted in your first post are 2 verses that I normally go to when I'm talking to a Calvinist and how he claims that the death of Christ on a cross was only meant for Christians... That's not what the Bible teaches.

No Christian scholar in the past 2000 years has interpreted it the way you do:

Matthew Henry
"Through the grace of God, the gift by grace has abounded to many through Christ; yet multitudes choose to remain under the dominion of sin and death, rather than to apply for the blessings of the reign of grace. But Christ will in nowise cast out any who are willing to come to him."

Albert Barnes
Unto justification of life - "With reference to that justification which is connected with eternal life. That is, his work is adapted to produce acceptance with God, to the same extent as the crime of Adam has affected the race by involving them in sin and misery The apostle does not affirm that in fact as many will be affected by the one as by the other; but that it is suited to meet all the consequences of the fall; to be as wide-spread in its effects; and go be as salutary as that had been ruinous. This is all that the argument requires. Perhaps there could not be found a more striking declaration any where, that the work of Christ had an original applicability to all people; or that it is in its own nature suited to save all. The course of argument here leads inevitably to this; nor is it possible to avoid it without doing violence to the obvious and fair course of the discussion. It does not prove that all will in fact be saved, but that the plan is suited to meet all the evils of the fall. A certain kind of medicine may have an original applicability to heal all persons under the same disease; and may be abundant and certain, and yet in fact be applied to few."

The Bible never claims that we don't need faith in order to be justified by God. His work can be applied to all, but it can only be applied if someone believes in it.

What you're suggesting sounds a lot like universalism rather than biblical Christianity

 

[MatthewG]

Say what you would like too, @Super Kal. Stick to the religious tradition if you would like to.

It makes no difference to the text, itself. Was your sins paid for before you came to christ or not? That was enough to justify you to gain entrance to the Gate which Jesus leads people through. Many people try to get around that... but you know what.

While you can continue to battle this in your own head. I'll stick with what that single passage states.

Im not worried about what Matthew Henry said.

Paul could have said "all people who are believers." But he did not.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Jesus death is enough for all sins to be taken care of... it allows people to get to Yahavah through him. If they so choose to go through him, and be in him, and abide in him.

Nothing is taken out of context; the context speaks for itself, my friend.

 

[Super Kal]

Say what you would like too, @Super Kal. Stick to the religious tradition if you would like to.

It makes no difference to the text, itself. Was your sins paid for before you came to christ or not? That was enough to justify you to gain entrance to the Gate which Jesus leads people through. Many people try to get around that... but you know what.

While you can continue to battle this in your own head. I'll stick with what that single passage states.

Im not worried about what Matthew Henry said.

Paul could have said "all people who are believers." But he did not.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Jesus death is enough for all sins to be taken care of... it allows people to get to Yahavah through him. If they so choose to go through him, and be in him, and abide in him.

Nothing is taken out of context; the context speaks for itself, my friend.

Yes, my sins were paid for on the cross, but I was not forgiven until I came to faith. That is the entire point that I'm making. You are suggesting that someone doesn't have to come to faith in order to be forgiven. That is a gigantic problem. We must come to faith in order to be forgiven. We don't put our faith in Jesus Christ, we will not be saved.

Nowhere in the entire Bible does it ever say that you don't have to have faith in order to be saved, and I've read other people in this thread, and they have said the exact same thing to you.

are you suggesting that I don't have to believe in order to be saved?
Adolph Hitler killed millions of people, was he saved?
Joseph Stalin and Mao killed millions of people, are they saved even though they didn't believe?
George Carlin was an atheist, and Anton La Vey and Aleister Crowley We're satanists... all 3 of these individuals died having never had faith in Jesus Christ... were they saved???
because according to what you just said, And you plucking Romans 5:18 from the entire chapter and only using that one solitary verse as your go to verse as proof, a person does not need to have faith in order to be saved, because to you, when Christ Died on the cross, everyone was automatically saved.

Is that what you are trying to say?