Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Super Kal]

Sure it does say something like that. You just want to deny it. How could know us before we were formed in the womb if we did not exist before conception?

No, it doesn't say anything about that, you're purposefully twisting the scriptures just to suit your own personal opinion and you're taking the Bible out of context and changing it to try and justify a heretic's view. Jeremiah 1:5 is talking about Jeremiah, it is not talking about the entirety of mankind, and how they somehow existed before time began as all ghosts and spirits.

By the way, I have a simple question for you about Jesus Christ:
where was He born?
Bethlehem or Jerusalem?

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

I can’t say nothing about it…

I don’t believe I came from heaven down here. I don’t even believe aliens exist…

I do believe Yahavah created us in the womb, but we aren’t Jeremiah. That is where the soul and body are made, in the womb.

You have seen the spark of light that is created when an egg is fertilized?

 

[Super Kal]

So much of what you write is untrue. To be absent from the body is to be what? Present with the LORD. Where is the LORD that we are present with when not in body? Heaven.

And your idiocy and ignorance of taking the scriptures out of context is grotesque and disgusting.
The Apostle Paul, in 2 Corinthians 5:8, is not talking about people living in heaven before they are born.
He is talking about the resurrection body.
Go read 2 Corinthians 5:1-7 for the proper context of which you quote from

 

[Super Kal]

@Wrangler
Was Jesus born in Jerusalem or Bethlehem?

 

[MatthewG]

Soul = Body (made in womb) + Spirit

So much of what you write is untrue. To be absent from the body is to be what? Present with the LORD. Where is the LORD that we are present with when not in body? Heaven.

The soul is not the body...

You have Spirit, Soul, and Body... We are all given a soul (mind/will/emotions) within a body... which Yahavah forms in the womb but I'm not called like Jeremiah was in that specific text...

You get the spirit when you come to the Lord Yeshua, from Yahavah.

Im glad, to share untruths as you declare cause people shouldn't believe me or you.

 

[Super Kal]

And just so everyone knows, Joseph Smith, the man who created Mormonism, taught tri-theism. He did not teach the Trinity.
You could find it in his writings called:
Joseph Smith's Sermon on Plurality of Gods
(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 473-479)

 

[MatthewG]

Just don't go crazy and try to find the soul @Wrangler. I watched a report of a man with dementia, who murdered his wife on Thanksgiving. Quotes came up about him saying "I'm trying to find the soul." But I think he just wanted to go ahead and send her onward, and also try to kill himself, he died days later after the murder.


It seems to me the soul is ethereal, as the body is seen, and the spirit is ethereal as well.

 

[Super Kal]

@Wrangler
Still waiting on you to tell me where Jesus Christ was born...

 

[Super Kal]

I stopped using videos to try and convey just how heretical and deceiving the Mormon church is... This is why I only stick to quoting the actual Mormon presidents, the Mormon Apostles, the Mormon leaders, the Mormon Scriptures, and Joseph Smith himself... and as you've seen above, Jane Doe and Wrangler play like it doesn't exist... so i wouldn't be surprised if @Jane_Doe22 attacks you once again and claims that posting a video is completely pointless, or rude, or as @Wrangler would say, it's harassment, it's name calling, it's destroying their property, it's taking their life...

 

[MatthewG]

I stopped using videos to try and convey just how heretical and deceiving the Mormon church is... This is why I only stick to quoting the actual Mormon presidents, the Mormon Apostles, the Mormon leaders, the Mormon Scriptures, and Joseph Smith himself... and as you've seen above, Jane Doe and Wrangler play like it doesn't exist... so i wouldn't be surprised if @Jane_Doe22 attacks you once again and claims that posting a video is completely pointless, or rude, or as @Wrangler would say, it's harassment, it's name calling, it's destroying their property, it's taking their life...

This guy in the video was LDS for 40 years. I just share it, and some of the people who seen him during this time, still can have resentment.

It's like me as a person who raps for a hobby... why did a friend leave me on facebook though? What did I do? Who knows. Love to him anyway, maybe material was raw, maybe I didn't reach out because he didn't reach out... things happen in life.

 

[Super Kal]

This guy in the video was LDS for 40 years. I just share it, and some of the people who seen him during this time, still can have resentment.

It's like me as a person who raps for a hobby... why did a friend leave me on facebook though? What did I do? Who knows. Love to him anyway, maybe material was raw, maybe I didn't reach out because he didn't reach out... things happen in life.

I'm appreciative that you are actually sharing this information, because it's extremely relevant to the topic at hand, and regardless of the two that I mentioned, I know other people are going to be in this thread, in reading the comments in this thread...

to people who are reading this comment, I do recommend this video, as @MatthewG himself stated, this person is a former Mormon who, praise the Lord, came out of that cult, repented of his false doctrine, and came to real faith in the Jesus Christ, who is of the same essence and nature as the Father, who is not the brother of Satan, The Jesus Christ who was God in the very beginning and was never a man who attained Godhood, the Jesus Christ who did not need to qualify to be a Redeemer, the Jesus Christ who had no potential to sin... The Jesus Christ who was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem...
And yes, all of these things that I'm saying are doctrines and teachings that the Mormon church affirms to.

 

[Taken]

REALLY??? You think that's all it takes to make one saved?

MAKE one saved….no.
CAUSE the Lord to be WITH them…yes.

SALVATION…is a gift of Gods “saving” ones soul.

SALVATION…is a gift Received…AFTER a bodily Death Occurs (according to Gods Order, Way, Offering.)

…..Belief in ones heart WHILE they are alive;
The Lord IS WITH them.

….Belief in ones heart At the moment their Body physically Dies;
Their SOUL shall THEN be SAVED.
(Called…SHALL BE Saved).

….Belief in ones heart DURING their life-time…AND….they CONFESS that true Belief to the Lord….
They are accounted as HAVING VOWED their Bodily Life unto Death unto the Lord God ….
(Called Crucified with Jesus…
(Called a Living Sacrifice…
(Called having “RECEIVED” Salvation of their soul….ie ARE SAVED.

Why guest then according to you Jehovah's witness and Muslims are also saved too, because they believe in Jesus Christ too, and they also believe in God...

Belief IN Jesus Christ, is not about…DID He exist….rather WHO He is…

Jehovah Witness…beliefs DO believe IN God and Jesus Christ the Son of God…

Muslims ….beliefs DO believe IN a god and that Jesus was a Prophet…

AND….a person belonging to an ORGANIZED Religion does NOT automatically MEAN they BELIEVE or PARTICIPATE in every Fraction of that Organization.

There are numerous…children, spouses, the curious, WHO attend Churches, Temples, Mosques…..WHO do not believe IN Almighty God, nor that Jesus was sent by God.

A relationship between ONE individual and the Lord God….IS ONLY Heartfully (truly) KNOWN…between the ONE individual and the Lord God Himself…
* Their Outer LOOKS, their National Citizenship, their attendance at particular meetings, DOES NOT give rise to an other KNOWING the “status” of their SALVATION…
Whether SAVED or SHALL BE SAVED.
* Rather, it is expressly a SPIRITUAL, one on one matter BETWEEN God and that one individual.

but, you know what, for humor's sake, let's review, and ....esus that they believe in and follow:

BELIEF is the paramount KEY regarding the gift of SALVATION!!

FOLLOWING is the paramount KEY regarding receipt of ongoing gifts of BLESSINGS!!

Many who have receiv-ED the gift of Salvation…miss out on numerous gifts of Blessings…they could of had….so what?
Their choice.

Jesus had to be perfectly obedient to all the laws of God. Because

Because JESUS was the SENT example for manKind…of HOW TO FOLLOW, HOW TO OBEY…during any time…of hardships or peace.

Some can, some will, some will not…and miss out on gifts of blessings…
That has ZERO effect on their received SALVATION.

As on earth so shall there be a hierarchy IN Gods kingdom on earth…The Saved who lived their lives…following, obeying, teaching, etc….are proving their worthiness to hold higher servant positions as well IN Gods Kingdom….Our LEARNING is far from over…
Some will continue to be “students” and others will be positioned to Serve God as “teachers”.

holy word of God says that from the very beginning Jesus Christ was the Redeemer of the world... he didn't have to do anything to qualify to be the Redeemer.

Not true…
* He had to WHOLLY remain faithful…
* He had to WILLINGLY without contest give His life unto God…
….
When was the Word of God slain?
From the foundation of this world.
By whom? Satan
A “thought” in Lucifers Heart.
Revealed IN “SPEECH”
And when Did God orchestrate a means for the world to “SEE” what was revealed in Lucifers Heart and “SPEECH”?
2 thousand + years ago on the cross at Calvary.

Sixth President Joseph F. Smith stated:
Even Christ himself was not perfect at first; he received not a fulness at first,

So? Did you adopt Smith’s belief's…or rather trust to believe Gods Word?

Jesus Christ wasn't perfect??? now that doesn't sound like the Jesus Christ that has been taught in the scriptures for the past 2000 years... the holy Word of God teaches that Jesus was born perfect, without sin, and there was nothing that Jesus had to do to become sinless, because He was God made manifest in the flesh, 2 Timothy 3:16

Yes.

Don’t much care about Religious denomination titles…

A relationship between God and one individual is the paramount KEY…regardless of the string of he said, she said…of religious clerics.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

I'm appreciative that you are actually sharing this information, because it's extremely relevant to the topic at hand, and regardless of the two that I mentioned, I know other people are going to be in this thread, in reading the comments in this thread...

to people who are reading this comment, I do recommend this video, as @MatthewG himself stated, this person is a former Mormon who, praise the Lord, came out of that cult, repented of his false doctrine, and came to real faith in the Jesus Christ, who is of the same essence and nature as the Father, who is not the brother of Satan, The Jesus Christ who was God in the very beginning and was never a man who attained Godhood, the Jesus Christ who did not need to qualify to be a Redeemer, the Jesus Christ who had no potential to sin... The Jesus Christ who was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem...
And yes, all of these things that I'm saying are doctrines and teachings that the Mormon church affirms to.

Hey, no problem. The only part that is missed here, is that not everyone here shows up to a LDS, and has learned what is taught now today...

There is a church of LDS not to far away. I never have been to one. There is a Jehovah witness Church, I have been to, and everyone is suits.

Church doesn't save anyone, and I'm afraid of people going up in a church like the LDS, only to be lead astray be rigorous rules, and obligations which are from what I understand all in order to say Hey, God, I did it! Let me come on in the the gates!

Noticed that "they did it" not Yeshua doing it for them to even have access to the heavenly Father...

Im glad at least we are able to air out the differences even simply sharing a video like this :

Spoiler: the video

People don't know what is going on in the LDS Church, yeah, Jehovah witness, churches they do teach the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, but how strong is that faith?

no one knows unless they tell you, and sometimes human beings lie... just to be not founded out.

I can say I believe in Jesus Christ his death burial and resurrection, and also in my heart believe that it's not true but can say the words in a lie...

So therefore, it's only up to Yahavah to judge, and for us to push the message of the Lord Jesus Christ, and go through his gate.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

First, I don't bother myself with labeling beliefs. I read from The Holy Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to give me understanding and wisdom.
He has and will even give me confirmation over and over again.

second, Adam was created from dirt, Eve created out of his rib. Then the rest of us were born of human conception. Jesus is the only one that came from Spirit to flesh.

Even when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3, He said we must be born of water (flesh) and The Spirit. There was no mention that we were spirits before. No angel will ever be human and no human will ever be an angel.

I totally respect your views there, while myself believing differently.

You stated " God created this whole Earth so that baby (& everyone else) can get a body, learn, grow, and have joy." If we were with Him in Heaven, we would be filled with joy.

I know we will understand God in our earthly state but the belief you have makes no sense to me.

The truest joy doesn't just come from the outside-- like hanging out in a great house, relaxing life, loving father, etc.

Rather, the truest joy is also from within you-- you transformed to inwardly have that same deep love that the Father has, that same sense of justice and mercy, same deep knowledge and experience, etc. That transformation is a process.

 

[Wrangler]

The soul is not the body...

I never said the soul is the body. Hence, the equation. You cannot have a soul without a body. When alive, the body contains the soul.

This is why the use the terms interchangeably in practice. A ship sank and all souls were lost. Same as all bodies (or people) were lost.

We don’t have a soul; we are a soul.

 

[Wrangler]

No, it doesn't say anything about that

Like I said, denial.

 

[MatthewG]

I never said the soul is the body. Hence, the equation. You cannot have a soul without a body. When alive, the body contains the soul.

This is why the use the terms interchangeably in practice. A ship sank and all souls were lost. Same as all bodies (or people) were lost.

We don’t have a soul; we are a soul.

All I seen was SOUL = BODY + SPIRIT.

But anyway, I ain't gonna get into all of this... My body is controlled by my soul, my soul makes my body move. My soul makes thoughts, makes emotions, and has it's very own will.

My body dies, cause the blood stops my soul is released. That is all I know... man.

 

[MatthewG]

I know our flesh loves to just be right and stuff even just "feel" right.

Maybe you all are right and I'm wrong, it doesn't matter to me.

Life with Yahvaha. Jesus Christ, is the one whom gets us to him. Never need any other human being to tell ya otherwise. People be encouraged to read your bible.

But I am dipping out of this thread...


It's too rhetorical for me to care and there are other things to go and do.

 

[Wrangler]

And your idiocy and ignorance of taking the scriptures out of context is grotesque and disgusting.
The Apostle Paul, in 2 Corinthians 5:8, is not talking about people living in heaven before they are born.

Projecting. I never said anything about 2 Corinthians 5:8. That’s worse than taking what I wrote out of context. That’s a Strawman.

That you replace the Scripture I cite with another Scripture shows how weak your argument is.

I almost didn’t notice your Ad Homenim. To invoke psychological projection, Strawman AND Ad Homenim shows I must have got you all riled up, abandoning all reason in defense of the indefensible. People like you, wearing your delicate egos on your sleeve, really crack me up.

I look forward to your witty rejoinder.

 

[Super Kal]

. To be absent from the body is to be what? Present with the LORD. Where is the LORD that we are present with when not in body? Heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord

Idiocy and ignorance.
You're on ignore, now.
Good riddance.