The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[WPM]

It says that he will not be able to deceive the nations. Everything you just said about what Satan is NOT able to do, he is currently doing.

Edit to add: John specifies the content of his deception later in the chapter.

Revelation 20:7-10 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

John's point is to say that for a thousand years, Israel will be able to live in peace without fear of being attacked by her enemies. Even when Satan is released, his armies will be destroyed by fire.

Israel is not living without fear from her enemies. Therefore Satan is not bound and the Millennium hasn't begun yet.

The nations of the world that were once blinded before the cross have now have been opened up to the light and truth of the Gospel - and there is nothing Satan can do to stop it. Satan (the accuser) has been soundly defeated by Christ. His firing pin has been taken away. He has been shackled in regard to his previous widespread spiritual power over the Gentiles. He is now powerless and impotent to stop the people of God advancing the Gospel commission in the will of God. His power over the saints has been demolished through the blood of Christ. That is why he has no more access to heaven and no power to accuse the elect.

Whilst Satan still carries the power to deceive individuals, he has lost the ability to keep the Gentiles (ethnos) as a collective whole blinded. Scripture after Scripture in the New Testament proves that.

It is His aim to hide what was secured at the cross in case believers and unbelievers will get fully liberated and do damage to the kingdom of darkness.

• He is already judged – his fate is sealed.
• False accuser cast down.
• No more access to heaven.
• Knows his time is short.
• Doesn’t have anything on us anymore. Past, present, and future sin has been paid for.
• The militant Church is a resistance movement against Satan and his lies as they spread the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ.
• Satan’s playing field - the Gentile nations - is enlightened.
• The Gentiles are now without excuse.
• Believers now overcome Satan by the power of the blood of Jesus made personal in their life.

 

[WPM]

Look at your drivers license. It does not say ended, but expiration.

The beast-king's rule would continue, if not ended by Jesus.

Show your timeline chart of what ends the beast-king's rule of 42 months.

It does not expire, it gets ended by Jesus's return. The rule of the beast-king for 42 months is not like a 4 year term of office for the President of the United States.

Hello! It has an end. You just destroyed your own argument.

 

[The Light]

No, you're dealing with your very active imagination which contradicts the facts. Let's look at the text again.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

You say this refers to two raptures. I see only one reference here to "the day when the Son of man is revealed", not two, and it's in verse 30.

You make a great point. There is only one mention of the Son of Man being revealed. It will be like the days of Lot when the Son of Man is revealed.

When the Lord comes for His Church when it is like the days of Noah the Son of Man will not be revealed. It will be a secret rapture.

You are acting as if it says that both at the end of verse 27 and after verse 29, but it only says that once in verse 30. That means He was comparing the ONE "day when the Son of man is revealed" to BOTH "the day Noah entered the ark and the flood came and destroyed them all" AND "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all". In no way, shape or form are two raptures referenced in that passage. You have that belief all to yourself for good reason. Because it isn't true and is clearly not taught in that passage.

That's UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark. That day was 6 days before the flood. However, when the Son of Man is revealed,
it will be like the days of Lot.

There is more than one coming of the Son of Man.
Luke 17
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

 

[WPM]

You make a great point. There is only one mention of the Son of Man being revealed. It will be like the days of Lot when the Son of Man is revealed.

When the Lord comes for His Church when it is like the days of Noah the Son of Man will not be revealed. It will be a secret rapture.


That's UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark. That day was 6 days before the flood. However, when the Son of Man is revealed,
it will be like the days of Lot.

There is more than one coming of the Son of Man.
Luke 17
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

This has been demolished.
Your 6 day lie has been demolished.
Your 5 wise/5 foolish virgins lie has been demolished.

You just keep coming back with the same nonsense that has been repeatedly refuted.

The truth has been repeatedly shown and the truth has been repeatedly rejected. It is pointless engaging with someone with such a closed and deluded mind. Your claims have been utterly refuted, yet you insist on believing a lie. That lie is the basis of everything you build your theology on. Your Jesuit doctrine is built upon sand.

 

[WPM]

You make a great point. There is only one mention of the Son of Man being revealed. It will be like the days of Lot when the Son of Man is revealed.

When the Lord comes for His Church when it is like the days of Noah the Son of Man will not be revealed. It will be a secret rapture.


That's UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark. That day was 6 days before the flood. However, when the Son of Man is revealed,
it will be like the days of Lot.

There is more than one coming of the Son of Man.
Luke 17
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

The contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. Premil ignores/overrides that to allow their doctrine.

Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wiped. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

You will never understand when “the last day” (singular) is if you do not understand when “the last days” (plural) are. We are currently in the “last (eschatos) days” (plural) since the beginning of Christ's earth ministry, but these are shown in Scripture to have an end. The “last (or final or ultimate) day” (singular) is said to occur at Christ's coming. This negates Premil.

 

[IndianaRob]

Really? Matthew 12:22-29 records, “Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

The arrival of the kingdom of God spelt defeat for the kingdom of Satan. We cannot underestimate the impact and importance off Jesus casting out devils during his earthly ministry. It was crucial, historic and symbolic. That is because it demonstrated that the kingdom of God had arrived and was confronting, overcoming and ruling over the kingdom of darkness. It showed where ultimate spiritual power resided. It also confirmed that Christ was here to open the prison doors of the bound, strip the kingdom of darkness of its influence and exercise real power and dominion over the devil's territory.

Just like Christ used the humility of a child and brought him forward in Matthew 18 and presented him as an example of what it is to be a Christian within the kingdom of God, He used this incident with the subjugation of a demon as an opportunity to highlight the power He had over Satan and presented it as forceful evidence of the spiritual restraint Satan suffered through His life, death and resurrection.

The Lord identifies the casting out of devils, and the resulting liberating of souls, with the actual binding of the strong man. He in turn presents this as proof that Satan is curbed through the presence and victorious function of the kingdom of God. Christ was specifically referring to Satan here (the strong man) and his demonic kingdom, and expressly connects his binding with the manifestation of the kingdom of God during His earthly ministry. The subjugating of devils was proof of the spiritual restraint of the evil one. Satan could not prevent this. Satan could not overcome those who had been rescued by Christ.

He came to the strong man's house (this sinful world) and spiritually chained Satan. He is like a dog on a leash that will only harm those that foolishly get close to him. He has power and movement but it is restrained and limited since the ministry of Christ. The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvellously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

The setting of this story and circumstance of the demon possessed man was an opportunity for Christ to show the sovereign power of God and articulate a deep spiritual reality. The Lord did this often. What he was saying to these religious hypocrites was, ‘if I am of the same wicked house as that represented by the demon (He was casting out) then Satan’s house is divided’.

Our Savior demonstrates that the powerful deliverances He had accomplished were done by the Spirit of God. They revealed the power and presence of the kingdom of God. Christ showed that the kingdom of darkness was subject to the kingdom of God. To enter the strong man’s house was to come to earth and invade Satan’s kingdom with salvation and deliverance. Christ’s earthly ministry commenced the invasion of Satan’s house and the cross secured the legal binding. The blind and dumb man in this story belonged to the devil’s kingdom. Christ entered Satan’s evil house and rescued the redeemed, translating them into newness of life. Christ has been doing this ever since. There can be no other interpretation to take from this.

Remember, this was just prior to Christ’s death.

The spiritual chains that were placed on devils were ones that curtailed their movement. They could not do as they once did amongst the heathen. God had ordained the plundering of Satan’s house. And this began through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. This gracious work has been now ongoing for 2,000 years. Many from within the kingdom of darkness have now changed camps. “delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.”

The binding spoken of here is obviously a spiritual restraint. Of course, the devil is the leader of the demonic realm. He is the representative of this vile house. When Scripture speaks of the binding of Satan it is inclusive of the whole kingdom he heads up. Through the Lord’s earthly ministry, Satan and his fallen angels were subject to a new arrangement – a playing field wherein he no longer calls the shots. They would now operate within very definite spiritual parameters sovereignly set by God. Christ had entered his territory and successfully took authority over his minions. The apex of this was of course the cross. That sealed Satan’s destiny and rendered him incapacitated in his activities.

Taking authority over the devil involves the binding of the strong man, before entering his house and casting him out. The binding here is the prelude to casting the devil out. Christ’s whole teaching here is a layered argument; He is building brick upon brick.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: “unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

This familiar discourse by our Lord came as a response to the crude scoffs of the religious Scribes dismissing Christ’s deliverance ministry as a work of Satan. Christ’s reply confirmed that the binding of Satan commenced 2,000 yrs ago and is not simply a future hope that will occur after the Lord’s return. Christ was firstly referring to the false charge that was laid at his door in relation to his assault on the demonic realm. Secondly, He was demonstrating the subjugation of the “unclean spirits” as “when they saw him” they “fell down before him” in surrender.

Christ’s earthly ministry expressly bound Satan and damaged his wicked house on this earth. This was indeed what was prophesied in the Garden of Eden. It didn’t say that the cross would destroy him, but hamper him in his schemes. His head was bruised by the supernatural punch of Christ.

The Lord confronted Satan head on in his own backyard and soundly defeated him. Everywhere that Christ went, demons were subject to his every word. This authority was in turn delegated to his disciples who operated this same spiritual power were ever they gone. His servants enforced his authority casting many demons out and seeing many men and women delivered from the power of Satan to the power of God. This was unprecedented. God's people, as a whole, had now power over the enemy.

Significantly, the Greek word deo (Strong’s 1210) employed here is the exact same word used in Revelation 20 which means to bind in either a literal or a spiritual sense. This is what happened everywhere the kingdom of God was seen, the kingdom of darkness was suppressed. Moreover, at Calvary, Satan’s power to deceive the nations was spiritual bound or curtailed by the finished and victorious work of Christ. Revelation 20:2-3 states, “And he (Christ) laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and deo (or) bound him a thousand years (or a long time), And cast him into the abyss, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.”

I think the point you were making is “that he should deceive the nations no more” really means that Satans power is only curtailed.

I don’t agree with that.

 

[WPM]

I think the point you were making is “that he should deceive the nations no more” really means that Satans power is only curtailed.

I don’t agree with that.

Many forget that there has been a seismic change in regard to the Gospel opportunity since the First Advent specifically in regard to the nations. Before the cross the Gentiles were in blind ignorance, deceived by the father of lies. After the resurrection, the Gentiles were no longer deceived as the Gospel light shone throughout the nations. The veil of ignorance was lifted. They are now without excuse. Satan had them hoodwinked. They lay in darkness. He ruled the nations before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. He had them under his control.

During the Old Testament era, God controlled one single nation whereas Satan controlled the nations (ethnos - the Gentiles) plural.

 

[IndianaRob]

Many forget that there has been a seismic change in regard to the Gospel opportunity since the First Advent specifically in regard to the nations. Before the cross the Gentiles were in blind ignorance, deceived by the father of lies. After the resurrection, the Gentiles were no longer deceived as the Gospel light shone throughout the nations. The veil of ignorance was lifted. They are now without excuse. Satan had them hoodwinked. They lay in darkness. He ruled the nations before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. He had them under his control.

During the Old Testament era, God controlled one single nation whereas Satan controlled the nations (ethnos - the Gentiles) plural.

I learned a long time ago a little leaven leaventh the whole lump.

 

[WPM]

I learned a long time ago a little leaven leaventh the whole lump.

More avodiance!

 

[IndianaRob]

More avodiance!

When you tell me “that he should deceive the nations no more” doesn’t mean that he should deceive the nations no more, there’s nothing more I can say.

 

[Davidpt]

Show your timeline chart of what ends the 42 months.

I don't think a timeline chart is needed, but this is relevant point since 42 months can't be meaning forever and have to end eventually. Where then can we pinpoint when it has ended? One clue is this. This 42 months involve making war with the saints then overcoming them. It might not be a bad idea to consult the book of Daniel, in this case ch 7.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom

Anyone that might insist verse 21 is not referring to this same 42 months in question, is probably someone that I would be unable to take seriously. Verse 22 then plainly tells us how this 42 months end. It ends when the Ancient of days comes, which can only be meaning the 2nd coming since there is only one God and that the Ancient of days can be being used interchangeably for both the Father and the Son.

If one might dispute that, compare the following with the following, and clearly, the latter per Revelation 1 is undeniably meaning Christ.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


And besides, we already know from the NT that the one sitting on the throne in Daniel 7:9 is meaning Christ.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

As of Daniel 7:22 we are at the end of this age and at the beginning of the thousand years. Which then alone destroys Amil.

and judgment was given to the saints of the most High

Where else have we heard something like this, pretty much word for word?

Per the following of course.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

In Daniel 7 it reads like thus.

and judgment was given to the saints of the most High


In Revelation 20 it reads like thus.

and judgment was given unto them

And here they are side by side.

and judgment was given to the saints of the most High
and judgment was given unto them

If we didn't know who the 'them' are meaning in Revelation 20, we do now. It is meaning the saints of the most High according to Daniel 7:22.

 

[WPM]

When you tell me “that he should deceive the nations no more” doesn’t mean that he should deceive the nations no more, there’s nothing more I can say.

Revelation 20:2 makes clear, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations (or ethnos) no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

We need to establish what we are looking at first before we jump to conclusions.

Firstly, who are "the nations" here?

Significantly, the Greek word interpreted “nations” in Revelation 20 in the King James Version is the Greek ethnos which is repeatedly translated "Gentiles" throughout the whole of the New Testament. In essence it means the nations, the heathen, or the non-Jews. The word is rendered Gentiles in the following passages: Matthew 4:15, 6:32, 10:5, 18, 12:18, 21, 20:19, 25, 21:43, Mark 10:33, 42, Luke 2:32, 18:32, 21:24, 22:25, Acts 4:27, 7:45, 9:15, 10:45, 11:1, 18, 13:46, 47, 48, 14:2, 5, 27, 15:3, 7, 12, 14, 17, 19, 23, 18:6, 21:11, 19, 21, 25, 22:21, 26:17, 20, 23, Romans 1:13, 2:14, 24, 3:29, 9:24, 30, 11:11, 12, 13, 25, 15:9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 18, 27, 16:4, 1 Corinthians 5:1, 12:2, Galatians 2:2, 8, 12, 14, 15, 3:14, Ephesians 2:11, 3:1, 6, 8, 4:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 Thessalonians 2:16, 4:5, 1 Timothy 2:7, 3:16, 2 Timothy 4:17, 1 Peter 2:12, 4:3, Revelation 11:2.

Secondly, what was/is the purpose of the binding of Satan?

According to Revelation 20:2, the binding of Satan was all to do with the enlightening of the nations (Gentiles). In the light of this, was there any direct and major change in regard to the spiritual state of the nations (Gentiles) that resulted from Satan’s defeat 2,000 years ago or is that still future?

Was there any significant change in the Gospel focus that occurred as a result of the life, death and resurrection of Christ? Was there any benefit? Was there any increase in the scope of the light shining? Was there a major turnaround in the state of the Gentiles between the Old and the New Testament? Was there any notable change in regard to the degree of ignorance and deception that curtailed the Gentiles?

 

[The Light]

This has been demolished.
Your 6 day lie has been demolished.
Your 5 wise/5 foolish virgins lie has been demolished.

You just keep coming back with the same nonsense that has been repeatedly refuted.

The truth has been repeatedly shown and the truth has been repeatedly rejected. It is pointless engaging with someone with such a closed and deluded mind. Your claims have been utterly refuted, yet you insist on believing a lie. That lie is the basis of everything you build your theology on. Your Jesuit doctrine is built upon sand.

*yawn*

 

[MA2444]

Your millennium is just a rerun of today. It is full of sin, death, decay, rebellion and wickedness.

So you've never read Isaiah or Ezekial. Huh. Figures.

 

[The Light]

The contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. Premil ignores/overrides that to allow their doctrine.

Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wiped. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

You will never understand when “the last day” (singular) is if you do not understand when “the last days” (plural) are. We are currently in the “last (eschatos) days” (plural) since the beginning of Christ's earth ministry, but these are shown in Scripture to have an end. The “last (or final or ultimate) day” (singular) is said to occur at Christ's coming. This negates Premil.

Amil has no rapture in Revelation.

Amil has the Church going through the wrath of God when we are not appointed to wrath.

Amil thinks the Church is the 144,000 despite the Word of God saying differently.

 

[WPM]

So you've never read Isaiah or Ezekial. Huh. Figures.

Where is a millennium mentioned in Isaiah or Ezekiel? Please quote the actual wording. Make sure you do not quote a "last days" passage or a "new heavens and a new earth" passage like most Premillennialist do. They do that because they do not have any proof-passages to support their faulty belief of Revelation 20.

 

[WPM]

Amil has no rapture in Revelation.

Amil has the Church going through the wrath of God when we are not appointed to wrath.

Amil thinks the Church is the 144,000 despite the Word of God saying differently.

Again, you totally avoided every single point I made in my last post. That is what you do. That is what you must do because you have nothing to counteract the truth.

 

[IndianaRob]

Revelation 20:2 makes clear, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations (or ethnos) no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

We need to establish what we are looking at first before we jump to conclusions.

Firstly, who are "the nations" here?

Significantly, the Greek word interpreted “nations” in Revelation 20 in the King James Version is the Greek ethnos which is repeatedly translated "Gentiles" throughout the whole of the New Testament. In essence it means the nations, the heathen, or the non-Jews. The word is rendered Gentiles in the following passages: Matthew 4:15, 6:32, 10:5, 18, 12:18, 21, 20:19, 25, 21:43, Mark 10:33, 42, Luke 2:32, 18:32, 21:24, 22:25, Acts 4:27, 7:45, 9:15, 10:45, 11:1, 18, 13:46, 47, 48, 14:2, 5, 27, 15:3, 7, 12, 14, 17, 19, 23, 18:6, 21:11, 19, 21, 25, 22:21, 26:17, 20, 23, Romans 1:13, 2:14, 24, 3:29, 9:24, 30, 11:11, 12, 13, 25, 15:9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 18, 27, 16:4, 1 Corinthians 5:1, 12:2, Galatians 2:2, 8, 12, 14, 15, 3:14, Ephesians 2:11, 3:1, 6, 8, 4:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 Thessalonians 2:16, 4:5, 1 Timothy 2:7, 3:16, 2 Timothy 4:17, 1 Peter 2:12, 4:3, Revelation 11:2.

Secondly, what was/is the purpose of the binding of Satan?

According to Revelation 20:2, the binding of Satan was all to do with the enlightening of the nations (Gentiles). In the light of this, was there any direct and major change in regard to the spiritual state of the nations (Gentiles) that resulted from Satan’s defeat 2,000 years ago or is that still future?

Was there any significant change in the Gospel focus that occurred as a result of the life, death and resurrection of Christ? Was there any benefit? Was there any increase in the scope of the light shining? Was there a major turnaround in the state of the Gentiles between the Old and the New Testament? Was there any notable change in regard to the degree of ignorance and deception that curtailed the Gentiles?

I believe the nations is talking about all peoples but for the sake of argument let’s just say that it means gentiles. Look around this forum and tell me Satan isn’t deceiving the gentiles.

 

[IndianaRob]

Where is a millennium mentioned in Isaiah or Ezekiel? Please quote the actual wording. Make sure you do not quote a "last days" passage or a "new heavens and a new earth" passage like most Premillennialist do. They do that because they do not have any proof-passages to support their faulty belief of Revelation 20.

All of Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 is about the millennium. Ezekiel’s temple is the temple in the millennial kingdom.

 

[WPM]

I believe the nations is talking about all peoples but for the sake of argument let’s just say that it means gentiles. Look around this forum and tell me Satan isn’t deceiving the gentiles.

You are not getting the meaning here. You are not getting the thrust. In doing so, you are inventing an age in-between this age and the age to come that Scripture does not recognize. You are foisting your faulty beliefs into the sacred text. You have to! You do not seem to grasp what Revelation 20 is teaching.

Isaiah 9:1-2 predicted the Messiah and the massive effective of the spread of the Gospel to the nations: “the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Isaiah 42:6-7 says, "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Isaiah 58:6-12 asks, “Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Isaiah 60:1-3 says, “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Isaiah 61:1 says, “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

In Matthew 12 we see the religious Jews rejecting Christ. Matthew 12:14-22 records, “Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; And charged them that they should not make him known: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Luke 2:27-32: “And he (Simeon) came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 13:46-48: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 26:17: "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Romans 15:8-12 records: "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust."

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.