But shun profane and vain babblings

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes. You do. This thread is not the first time you have asked me what I believe about soul sleep and not the first time I have answered you.

This is enough. Goodnight.

If they purposely misrepresent the words of God, why would you think they would have a problem misrepresenting others as well?

Very snake like if you ask me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then you prefer to be ignorant.That is your choice then that is what you should receive.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

You are not one to talk. When I backed up my view with 1 Cor 15:22-23 you dismissed it because you claim that Paul didn't have the full revelation when it came to Bible prophecy. As if Paul wasn't inspired by the Holy Spirit. So, no one should listen to you about anything since you undermine the author of about half of the New Testament.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If they purposely misrepresent the words of God,

Which we do not. If I'm purposely misrepresenting any of the words of God, may He strike me down right now.

why would you think they would have a problem misrepresenting others as well?

We're not doing that. You are not our Judge.

Very snake like if you ask me.

Very snake like to condemn others for merely having a different interpretation of Revelation 20 than you do. God is going to deal with you if you continue condemning people for no good reason the way you are doing.

 

[grafted branch]

The word záō (alive | living) is always referring either to the living God, or to humans who are alive in the body. The word is never used in reference to anyone who has died | fallen asleep | is not alive and living in the body:-

I’ve seen you make this claim several times and I don’t think it’s accurate.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living (zao).

Jesus is quoting Exodus 3:6 which means this verse is referring to the physically dead Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and calling them “the living” or zao at the time the LORD appeared to Moses at the burning bush. Do you think God was not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob after they died and before they are physically resurrected?

 

[th1b.taylor]

The real concern here is what God will do with this person who condemns other Christians the way that guy does. I wonder if Matthew 7:1-2 is in his Bible?

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Verses 1 and 2 are not stand alone verses, no matter how many False Teachers instruct they are. In the Local Context it is the beginning of the first paragraph instructing us how to judge righteously.

6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Then, in the second paragraph, a single sentence we are instructed not to witness in vain and 7 changes the shade of the subject matter. Proverbs 17 is a great map for how to judge things... not the Salvtiona, that we can never judge.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I’ve seen you make this claim several times and I don’t think it’s accurate.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living (zao).

Jesus is quoting Exodus 3:6 which means this verse is referring to the physically dead Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and calling them “the living” or zao at the time the LORD appeared to Moses at the burning bush. Do you think God was not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob after they died and before they are physically resurrected?

Exactly. But, he apparently does not believe that people are conscious after they physically die, so that would be why he denies that anyone can be alive (zao) without being physically/bodily alive.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If I'm purposely misrepresenting any of the words of God, may He strike me down right now.

Be careful what you ask for.

We're not doing that.

I believe you are.

God is going do deal with you if you continue condemning people for no good reason the way you are doing.

I have good reason.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Verses 1 and 2 are not stand alone verses, no matter how many False Teachers instruct they are. In the Local Context it is the beginning of the first paragraph instructing us how to judge righteously.

6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Then, in the second paragraph, a single sentence we are instructed not to witness in vain and 7 changes the shade of the subject matter. Proverbs 17 is a great map for how to judge things... not the Salvtiona, that we can never judge.

I don't claim that verses 1 and 2 are stand alone verses, so I don't know what you're talking about. The context of Matthew 7:1-2 is to not condemn people.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Be careful what you ask for.

I know myself far better than you do. I know that I am not purposely misrepresenting anything.

I believe you are.

I don't care what you believe about me. I know I am not. You're the only one here who is condemning others for having a different interpretation. Think about that.

I have good reason.

Which is? What would I be gaining by purposely misrepresenting the words of God as you claim I'm doing? Why do I spend so much time studying and discussing the words of God? Because I have no reverence for them and aim to misrepresent them for some crazy reason?

 

[WPM]

Your posts betray something about yourself.

No, more about you.

 

[WPM]

The First Resurrection IS spiritual. It’s immortality of the soul!

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"

- 1 Corinthians 15:51-55

1 cor 15 is the final physical resurrection when Jesus comes for all the spiritually resurrected believers.

 

[WPM]

I'm totally calm, and have been all along.

Your childish nonsense has gone too far (yet again). I'm out of this "discussion" with you now.

How old are you, by the way?

More avoidance and more projection. Sums up your efforts here.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I know that I am not purposely misrepresenting anything.

I know you are, because you did it with me in that other thread.

I don't care what you believe about me.

You shouldn’t. You should only be concerned about what God thinks of you.

You're the only one here who is condemning others for having a different interpretation. Think about that.

I am warning others of the condemnation that comes along with believing in, and spreading false doctrine.

Why do I spend so much time studying and discussing the words of God? Because I have no reverence for them and aim to misrepresent them for some crazy reason?

Why do you spend so much time promoting and defending this Amil doctrine? I have started several threads on various topics, but you Amils come in and make it a point to push this false doctrine in most every thread.

This tells me you are promoting a false doctrine of men that is very divisive.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you deny the first resurrection of Christ? If so that makes you a heretic.

Apostle Paul does not 'quantify' the First Resurrection only to Christ, but rather the First Resurrection pertains to everyone who will be in Christ at His Second Coming.

 

[WPM]

Then you prefer to be ignorant.That is your choice then that is what you should receive.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Not so. Quite the opposite! Premillennialists keep moving the goal posts every time their claims are disproved. So, we are now in your Millennium in 6024?

 

[WPM]

If they purposely misrepresent the words of God, why would you think they would have a problem misrepresenting others as well?

Very snake like if you ask me.

More projection!

 

[WPM]

Apostle Paul does not 'quantify' the First Resurrection only to Christ, but rather the First Resurrection pertains to everyone who will be in Christ at His Second Coming.

It does not say that.

I will repeat: physical resurrection is not even the 1st resurrection believers experience - spiritual resurrection in Christ is, neither is physical resurrection the means we overcome the second death, spiritual resurrection in Christ is. So, whatever way you look at it your doctrine does not add up. Amillennialism is the only position that fits.

 

[WPM]

Then you prefer to be ignorant.That is your choice then that is what you should receive.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This is saying time is nothing to God. You clearly have zero corroboration.

You cannot even give us one single pass second comming passage that teaches that mortals and the wicked survive His glory.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I know you are, because you did it with me in that other thread.

How exactly did I ever PURPOSELY misrepresent the words of God? If I was at all it would've been by mistake. Is it not possible for people to make mistakes in your world?

I am warning others of the condemnation that comes along with believing in, and spreading false doctrine.

You make judgments and assume people do that purposely. You are lacking in grace and mercy just like your doctrine where you condemn people if they are not sinless and you claim that "babes in Christ" are not actually "in Christ" (Christians) as Paul says they are.

Why do you spend so much time promoting and defending this Amil doctrine?

I am very glad you asked me this question. Why didn't you ask it sooner instead of making all kinds of judgments about it without even knowing what we believe and why? We're not some cult as you falsely claim. Many Christians have been amillennialists for almost 2,000 years now.

Anyway, for one thing, I promote it and believe it because it's true. But, another thing is that it's the one end times doctrine that puts the most emphasis on the Great God and Savior Jesus Christ and His current position as King of kings and Lord of lords. Just look at what He said about Himself and His current power and authority:

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

So, we aim to put Jesus on the highest possible pedestal where He belongs. We are in His kingdom now and He is our King.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

End times prophecy is primarily about Jesus Christ and His church and the enemies of Christ and His church. Not about Israel or an Antichrist or a 7 year tribulation and all that stuff that many people focus on far more than they do Jesus and His church.

Also, Amillennialism emphasizes our authority over the spiritual enemy. Which people did not have in Old Testament times. Satan had his way back then in the world, but not after Christ came.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

I believe we have the same authority over the spiritual enemy that the disciples had. Satan and his angels must back down from us because of the presence of the Holy Spirit in us. We merely have to resist him and he must flee from us (James 4:7). In Old Testament times people did not have this authority which is why he was able to keep people as slaves to the fear of death. But, Jesus took the power of death away from him and defeated him by way of His death on the cross.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

So, if glorifying Jesus and celebrating His defeat of the spiritual enemy is wrong, I don't want to be right.

I have started several threads on various topics, but you Amils come in and make it a point to push this false doctrine in most every thread.

I think you are exaggerating here, but every thread that everyone creates ends up going off topic at times. That's just the way it is here. We don't purposely try to change the topic or anything like that. It's just that end times discussions here tend to veer in all different directions in almost every thread.

This tells me you are promoting a false doctrine of men that is very divisive.

Wrong. We are not aiming to be divisive and turn everything into a war of insults. More often than not the insults start from Premils. You should see what pretribs say about us. I guess you would approve of it based on things that you say about us as well. You condemn us to hell by saying we are a cult and part of Mystery Babylon. Obviously, no Christian is part of a cult and part of Mystery Babylon. You're saying that about people who love Jesus Christ and believe that He is everything to us. That's why it annoys me so much when you judge us the way you do. I am nothing without Jesus Christ. I have given my life to Him and aim to serve Him every day. But, here you are saying I'm in a cult and am not a Christian for merely having a different interpretation of Revelation 20 than you do. That is wrong.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Apostle Paul does not 'quantify' the First Resurrection only to Christ, but rather the First Resurrection pertains to everyone who will be in Christ at His Second Coming.

You are noticeably not backing up your claim with scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul very clearly indicates that the order of resurrections is Christ's resurrection first and then "AFTERWARD they that are Christ's at his coming".

Please stop trying to make scripture say what you want it to say and accept what Paul actually said.