The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[marks]

but you will interpret them according to your theology and indeed your own experience. Revelation is needed.

Interesting, but not necessarily true. I really AM a stickler for "what is written". Yes, revelation is needed, and that revelation will enable us to see what is written, not what is not written. The revelation is in the writing, and the Holy Spirit enables us to understand that writing.

To just say that differences of opinion who experientially based interpretation falls short in my opinion. We can determine true meanings from the text.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

As a metaphor, OK, but specifically we are to trust in and receive Jesus. I mean, there are a lot of different ways this is said. All who call up the Name of the LORD shall be saved. Receive and believe. Confess with the mouth, believing in the heart.

Specifically be baptized into Christ, as I see it. Not water, spirit.

Yes, that seems to be the question of the moment.

Much love!

Yes when does Spirit baptism occur is the basis of it. I thought that it had happened when I first came to Christ but found it had not. Baptism of the Spirit means fruit of the Spirit in the fullness thereof not bits of it.

 

[Johann]

No certainly not. I didn't. I found their teachings later and it all lined up with my own theology.

Were you born from above before or after reading the ECF?

 

[Hepzibah]

Interesting, but not necessarily true. I really AM a stickler for "what is written". Yes, revelation is needed, and that revelation will enable us to see what is written, not what is not written. The revelation is in the writing, and the Holy Spirit enables us to understand that writing.

To just say that differences of opinion who experientially based interpretation falls short in my opinion. We can determine true meanings from the text.

Much love!

Absolutely the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of scripture showing us that what has been taught to us directly is from God.

 

[Hepzibah]

Were you born from above before or after reading the ECF?

I came to Christ 50 years ago, and was born again in the Spirit 17 years later, 45 years before finding the ECF.

 

[Johann]

Yes when does Spirit baptism occur is the basis of it. I thought that it had happened when I first came to Christ but found it had not. Baptism of the Spirit means fruit of the Spirit in the fullness thereof not bits of it.

Talking about entire sanctification and not the outworking of that sanctification-correct?

 

[Hepzibah]

Talking about entire sanctification and not the outworking of that sanctification-correct?

The process of sanctification taking place for 17 years to a point where I was done, finished and down in the dust with my efforts to be the Christian I wanted to be. Then God revealed to me how to do it or rather how to not do it - trusting in Christ for my sanctification. Then it happened.

 

[Johann]

The process of sanctification taking place for 17 years to a point where I was done, finished and down in the dust with my efforts to be the Christian I wanted to be. Then God revealed to me how to do it or rather how to not do it - trusting in Christ for my sanctification. Then it happened.

The process of sanctification-was it before or after your 2Aorist experience and how did God revealed it to you, I mean, how to "do" it and can you give me Scripture references as to your experience?
Not being facetious.
J.

 

[marks]

Yes when does Spirit baptism occur is the basis of it. I thought that it had happened when I first came to Christ but found it had not. Baptism of the Spirit means fruit of the Spirit in the fullness thereof not bits of it.

Just to confirm my understanding of what you are saying, spiritual baptism into Christ brings with it entire sancification, which you have received, this is correct?

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Just to confirm my understanding of what you are saying, spiritual baptism into Christ brings with it entire sancification, which you have received, this is correct?

Much love!

Yes, this is what our precious sister is saying-17 years of sanctification and then a sudden revelation from God on how to obtain entire sanctification-don't want to misrepresent her.

Do you have Scripture references on this @marks?

 

[Hepzibah]

Just to confirm my understanding of what you are saying, spiritual baptism into Christ brings with it entire sancification, which you have received, this is correct?

Much love!

Yes.

 

[Hepzibah]

The process of sanctification-was it before or after your 2Aorist experience and how did God revealed it to you, I mean, how to "do" it and can you give me Scripture references as to your experience?
Not being facetious.
J.

The doing it was in perfect submission regarding the subject of the crisis that l had been led into. Oswald Chambers calls it, giving up the right to ourselves. It is right through scripture culminating at Pentecost. No gifts. That was for that period. Fruit though, in abundance.

 

[marks]

Yes, this is what our precious sister is saying-17 years of sanctification and then a sudden revelation from God on how to obtain entire sanctification-don't want to misrepresent her.

Do you have Scripture references on this @marks?

I'm understanding her to say she had an encounter with the Lord, that she had a "spiritual awakening", receiving knowledge of the truth, but was not yet reborn until many years after. That being reborn showed itself as true in her complete sanctification. So I'm now realizing as we are discussing Theosis that she has already received this now.

No I don't have Scripture references for this, I don't see it in the Bible, only that some speak of it happening in their lives. I think the reality is something different, more like what we've been saying, rebirth that goes on to maturity.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

More later.

 

[Hepzibah]

I'm understand her to say she had an encounter with the Lord, that she had a "spiritual awakening", receiving knowledge of the truth, but was not yet reborn until many years after. That being reborn showed itself as true in her complete sanctification. So I'm now realizing as we are discussing Theosis that she has already received this now.

No I don't have Scripture references for this, I don't see it in the Bible, only that some speak of it happening in their lives. I think the reality is something different, more like what we've been saying, rebirth that goes on to maturity.

Much love!

When l first came to Christ, after a profound encounter, l was taught that l was born again and all of the Evangelical stuff which l believed . It was after the baptism that l discovered the difference. It was revealed in scripture then later by the experience of other cessationists.

 

[Johann]

I'm understanding her to say she had an encounter with the Lord, that she had a "spiritual awakening", receiving knowledge of the truth, but was not yet reborn until many years after. That being reborn showed itself as true in her complete sanctification. So I'm now realizing as we are discussing Theosis that she has already received this now.

No I don't have Scripture references for this, I don't see it in the Bible, only that some speak of it happening in their lives. I think the reality is something different, more like what we've been saying, rebirth that goes on to maturity.

Much love!

Glad you stick to what stands written brother because I can't find it either in the Scriptures. You can find this from the ECF's though.

 

[Hepzibah]

I had met Christians for the first time in my life who let me loose in their library. I prayed to God one evening that He would show me if what l was reading was true when suddenly l knew He had died for me on the cross and His presence filled room as o gave my life to Him. That was 50 years ago.

 

[marks]

1 Peter 1:3-16 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6) Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7) That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8) Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9) Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13) Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14) As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15) But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16) Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Peter, addressing those whom God has begotten again, admonishes these born again that they are to be obedient, and to not fashion themselves according to their former lusts, but rather to be holy as God is holy.

Such admonition has no context in a rebirth that brings full sanctification as we've been discussing it (experiential, conscience aware).

Romans 6:3-15 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Again, the same issue appears. Those who have died with Christ, being crucified with Him, are here admonised to not let sin rule in them, and to not yield their "members" to sin. These admonitions are meaningless if being co-crucified with Christ means we no longer sin.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

Brothers, you won't see it in a scripture unless you are hungering for holiness like you are starving to death.

 

[Johann]

I had met Christians for the first time in my life who let me loose in their library. I prayed to God one evening that He would show me if what l was reading was true when suddenly l knew He had died for me on the cross and His presence filled room as o gave my life to Him. That was 50 years ago.

I don't doubt your born again experience but can't find Scriptures to confirm what you are saying @Hepzibah since you told me you were "deified" 4x in the past-correct?