Spiritual Warfare

[Behold]

Reader..

There are 2 Kinds of "righteousness", and God only accepts one.

Here is what He will never accepts....

1.) SELF Righteousness. And that is... "trying to make SELF....right with God" and that is never accepted by God Almighty, to accept anyone.
How do you know?

A.) See the Cross of Christ for the Update.

Reader, we have no Righteousness of our own...So, God made a way for us to receive His as "THe Gift of Righteousness"..

Listen...
We were all SINNERS, and sinners are UNRIGHTEOUS... and "All have sinned , and there is none RIGHTEOUS, no not one".

So, what do Ministers of the Devil teach you ???... = 2 Corinthians 11:15......

They teach you "Righteousness" that denies that God's Righteousness is given by God, as a Gift.

They DENY IT, and try to replace it with..>>>"SELF righteousness....>>Here is how YOU Attain it, by SELF doing".

2.) God's righteousness, is to be "made righteous" by receiving the "GIFT of Righteousness" that is.... our "FAITH is counted by God, as (Christ's) RIGHTEOUSNESS.

What is Jesus doing on the Cross?
He dealing with the LAW and all your sin, as its the Law defines you as a sinner.

Jesus did this for you......"YOU (the born again) are NOT...under the Law...but UNDER GRACE" = FOREVER.

So, now the Law can't define you, and Jesus has become your Sin Bearer, and God has given you HIS..."Gift of Righteousness"..

That is : SALVATION.. That is "GOD's GRACE", and that is the GOSPEL that Paul Teaches.

Its ""THE GIFT of Salvation"", and you dont earn a "GIFT".

Now, When you hear another Gospel, that is CURSED.... Galatians 1:8...., that tries to elevate SELF, into Righteousness by Law , or SELF EFFORT...., then that is the Devil's Gospel, that DENIES The Cross of Christ that is understood also as : John 14:6

: 2 Corinthians 11:15 = False Preachers. False Teachers. "ministers of the Devil".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hardness is the treatment of those who live with the vulnerability of the inner man. Jesus said...I send you put as sheep among wolves. So in this life you will endure HARDSHIPS.

But why? Why sow His sheep among wolves?

 

[Episkopos]

It seems to me, that here is some confusion going on here. Allow me to give an attempt to clarify things.

There are two issues where there is a dispute:

1) what is known as holiness doctrine or entire sanctification.

This is a historical dispute amongst those who deny that the scripture says that a further work of grace is needed to attain the deeper, higher experience of serving God in His strength alone and who say that hey have everything needed once they turn to Christ.

This goes beyond a doctrine I think. People will adapt themselves in the flesh to try lining up with something that is spiritual. So this is really on the level of lies and truth. IF a person needs a further work of grace, then they can seek for it at the throne of grace. The important thing is to experience the life of Christ...whatever doctrine works to that effect.

History is not short of believers who have stood by this even the early church taught it as Theosis. The believers in it all say that they came to a point when previously they were happy with the state they were on, but circumstances revealed that they were indeed not as they hoped. For an example we look at John Wesley who found out on a sail to America, that his faith was very weak compared with the Moravians and so he began to seek deeper and discovered the teaching on entire sanctification which was the start of huge revivals, as it always does.

Amen. We need to seek the truth by process of elimination. Do I REALLY walk in the love, joy and peace of an eternal life? And when one considers that there is more to it than previously believed...seeking and revivals may ensue. Results will vary depending on faith.

So perhaps some of you have not reached that state of faith crisis yet. You have a huge body of the church that disagrees with you that there is nothing more. Even more so if you deny that the early church theologians knew what hey were talking about.

So this debate has gone on in the west since the 17th century and will not be solved here.

Maybe in a few individuals...perhaps! ;)

The problems is that what John is teaching, that is to say, that the unsaved can be saved as righteous people, has never been taught before as far as I know and he is not coming forth with any evidence of that.

Even Billy Graham taught that. It never caught on because the dogmatic nature of religion is such that ANY idea of salvation OUTSIDE the church would undermine church attendance. Therefore there would be a great loss of pew warmers and revenue...based on the superficiality of understanding in most people. And the bible schools (called cemeteries) teach what makes for a growth in the religion...not faith, or wisdom or understanding. What men choose God doesn't choose. And people will follow men with titles many many times more than they will seek the truth for themselves at God's throne. I have sought the truth at God's throne..and received it.

There is NO system that is able to promote the truth. Conflict of interest.

Most will follow the crowds...even the mob. But disciples go OUTSIDE the camp bearing His reproach.

I have been reading from the Holiness Movement since 1990, intensively and have never seen it, nor from the early church.

You will never read about God's mercy outside of the bible...or based on others that are not in one's own group.

It looks like he is confused with dispensationalism that denies that OT people were actually saved, whereas the cross stands in the center of creation and applies to all time, that faith in Christ saves us, not works.

Not the issue. God is not a religious observance Person. To obey is better than sacrifice. Read Jesus' parables.

John has not laid out his theological system or will probably say he has none to hide the inconsistencies.

Those inconsistencies are actually covenants from God.

2) The second issue is John's behaviour towards those who will not accept him on one or both of the issues.

In my opinion he is not acting like he has at one time walked in the way he is preaching otherwise he would have a better functioning conscience on what is kindness and love towards others.

To me, he is acting like a cult member. Which cult I have no idea.

LOL. Paul calls this sect... TSESA

But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against. Acts 28

The truth is about BOTH the goodness AND the severity of God. He goes easy on the meek and righteous, but HARD on the religious and self-righteous.

Those who oppose my words do so because they are hiding behind a self-righteousness that leads to a bad end.

Would you call God a liar in order to justify yourself?

God is love...and He has ALWAYS been so; and merciful and forgiving. God loves the righteous.

Jesus said that a person who is healthy does NOT need a physician. And He declared that concerning the righteous who He thought were already well. Now, ANY self-righteous person will deny Jesus. ...they will stumble over Him.


Now WATCH how reading skills are thrown away (for those who are paying attention) Watch the carnally religious at work ;)

“When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

Here Jesus is equating the righteous with those who are healthy and whole. Who is going to blame me as if I wrote those words in order to mask an unbelief in Jesus?

 

[Episkopos]

But why? Why sow His sheep among wolves?

Because the ruler of this world is the devil and he preys on the truth and any who would turn to it. He invented the modern gospel to turn aside ALL who do not love the truth..but have pleasure in unrighteousness. A brilliant plan.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I took you at your word that you didn't know who to believe. And I just wanted to encourage you and all of us to believe God.

I don’t know who to believe. This is where I’m at this morning. I’ll share with you something I’m experiencing. I don’t pray for physical things like I did in the beginning. I have zero hope or belief God wants to pour buckets of money out on me or take away all my physical ailments. But this is my truth. I’ve loss faith and hope to pray for the Spiritual things. I read where Paul speaks of as poor yet making many rich. I heard a pastor the other day talking about how rich and wealthy our Father is. Like the richest and wealthiest…I do believe His wealth and riches are beyond and out of this world. Maybe after several earthly fathers I learned to not expect anything from a Father. That is what bothers me …I’m NOT expecting or waiting for physical things but I’m losing hope to even seek or ask for Spiritual things. That is why I said I don’t know who is right but long with a heavy heart to witness 1 Corinthians 4:14-21
I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. [15] For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. [16] Therefore I urge you, be imitators of me. [17] For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church. [18] Now some have become arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. [19] But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power. [20] For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power. [21] What do you desire? That I come to you with a rod, or with love and a spirit of gentleness?

I’ll say it again…when Paul is withstanding the Corinthians accusations against the body of Christ as those who fail…Christ speaking in Paul instructs :But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power.
To me Christ in Paul is drawing unto himself that Spirit which God gives of power, of love and a sound mind.

I don’t want to be a child who fears asking anything of a Father …coming to a place of not expecting anything given of that Father. It makes me think this morning on “increase our Faith” to me I don’t think that was “increase us” “GIVE us more” …but a cry to let them see the goodness of God. Desiring more of “Hope” and “Faith” in that Goodness of Him. They speak of being “refreshed” and “comforted” in this “increase of Faith.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Because the ruler of this world is the devil and he preys on the truth and any who would turn to it. He invented the modern gospel to turn aside ALL who do not love the truth..but have pleasure in unrighteousness. A brilliant plan.

To me it’s He sends them out as His sheep among wolves to declare the power of God …for the Victory of being as Christ is in the world…how mercy overcomes judgement. Christ didn’t overcome on the cross in becoming as the spirit given of the word but by and through the Spirit given of God: which Spirit is of power, of love, and a sound Mind.

 

[marks]

Epi to me is right about one thing…it is God that justifies …

One of his repeating themes is to accuse us of self-justification, but that is gaslighting. No one here, to the best of my knowledge, thinks that we justify ourselves. Of course it is only God who justifies us! Of course!

Be careful that the repetition of false accusation doesn't sway you.

I'm praying for you!

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

This goes beyond a doctrine I think. People will adapt themselves in the flesh to try lining up with something that is spiritual. So this is really on the level of lies and truth. IF a person needs a further work of grace, then they can seek for it at the throne of grace. The important thing is to experience the life of Christ...whatever doctrine works to that effect.


Amen. We need to seek the truth by process of elimination. Do I REALLY walk in the love, joy and peace of an eternal life? And when one considers that there is more to it than previously believed...seeking and revivals may ensue. Results will vary depending on faith.


Maybe in a few individuals...perhaps! ;)


Even Billy Graham taught that.

"An unsaved sinner’s destiny is separation from God, a place that Jesus has called hell." Billy Graham. Billy Graham: The Hope of Eternal Life - The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association of Canada

So you follow or think you follow rather, the words of a man who did not believe in the 'higher walk'? Where is your discernment?

It never caught on because the dogmatic nature of religion is such that ANY idea of salvation OUTSIDE the church would undermine church attendance. Therefore there would be a great loss of pew warmers and revenue...based on the superficiality of understanding in most people. And the bible schools (called cemeteries) teach what makes for a growth in the religion...not faith, or wisdom or understanding. What men choose God doesn't choose. And people will follow men with titles many many times more than they will seek the truth for themselves at God's throne. I have sought the truth at God's throne..and received it.

There is NO system that is able to promote the truth. Conflict of interest.

Most will follow the crowds...even the mob. But disciples go OUTSIDE the camp bearing His reproach.


You will never read about God's mercy outside of the bible...or based on others that are not in one's own group.

Not the issue. God is not a religious observance Person. To obey is better than sacrifice. Read Jesus' parables.


Those inconsistencies are actually covenants from God.

LOL. Paul calls this sect... TSESA

But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against. Acts 28

The truth is about BOTH the goodness AND the severity of God. He does easy on the meek and righteous, but HARD on the religious and self-righteous.

Those who oppose my words do so because they are hiding behind a self-righteousness that leads to a bad end.

Would you call God a liar in order to justify yourself?

God is love...and He has ALWAYS been so and merciful and forgiving. God loves the righteous.

Jesus said that a person who is healthy does NOT need a physician. And He declared that concerning the righteous who He thought were already well. Now, ANY self-righteous person will deny Jesus. ...they will stumble over Him.


Now WATCH how reading skills are thrown away (for those who are paying attention) Watch the carnally religious at work ;)

“When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

Who is going to blame me as if I wrote those words in order to mask an unbelief in Jesus?

 

[marks]

Faux concerns...and grandstanding. I'm the one bringing the warnings. You should pray for yourselves.

You may not understand this, but I am concerned for you, and I do pray for you, that God will heal you, and bring you into truth. Not grandstanding, just care. I realize that you believe you've been set over all of us. But the Bible tells us about real overseers, how to know them, and I go with that.

Your continued mistreatment of others is a neon sign that something is wrong, and I continue to hope you will realize that. Higher walk, lower walk, I know this for myself, God is truly amazing! Just the same:

James 3:13 KJV
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Let the one who has greater experience with God show that through the transformation in their lives, from contempt, to love.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

One of his repeating themes is to accuse us of self-justification, but that is gaslighting. No one here, to the best of my knowledge, thinks that we justify ourselves. Of course it is only God who justifies us! Of course!

Be careful this the repetition of false accusation doesn't sway you.

I'm praying for you!

Much love!

Dead—-God’s power works mightily towards you.
To me that long line is outside of ourselves(crucified with Christ— the power of God working —toward another. I personally don’t think we can fake or make up that long line outside of ourself, having nothing to do with that which is dead…but the outwards working (not meaning the outer man flesh) but Spiritual power beyond what is dead. To me we “wait” and have “patience” for but where that long line is of God work outside of what is dead is His giving the increase. Does that make sense? How can someone control or claim what transforms beyond that which is dead?

 

[Episkopos]

One of his repeating themes is to accuse us of self-justification, but that is gaslighting. No one here, to the best of my knowledge, thinks that we justify ourselves. Of course it is only God who justifies us! Of course!

Be careful this the repetition of false accusation doesn't sway you.

I'm praying for you!

Much love!

LOL. This isn't true. Many here claim to be justified by their beliefs. They read a bible and name and claim what they like...treating the bible like a cafeteria where one gets to pick and choose what one wants for oneself. Come to the part where God justifies faith and faithfulness, and WATCH how people will jump at that...falling into the Pharisee trap. You can't see the trap because you only see what you see...and agree with all those who are standing next to you in the same trap.

But liberation from all lies and sin is what the gospel is really about...not a freedom to sin and live in darkness. Before the Lord shall NO FLESH be justified. Period.

Only God decides who is righteous. Not religious speculators or Jesus admirers. To show How Jesus doesn't receive flatterers and admirers read how He rejects those who praise Him as Lord... but in unrighteousness. Holding the truth in unrighteousness.

Better to actually learn what righteousness is...not just surmise, and assume and presume.

 

[Episkopos]

"An unsaved sinner’s destiny is separation from God, a place that Jesus has called hell." Billy Graham. Billy Graham: The Hope of Eternal Life - The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association of Canada

So you follow or think you follow rather, the words of a man who did not believe in the 'higher walk'? Where is your discernment?

Maybe you are looking for men to follow. I follow Christ.

 

[marks]

Dead—-God’s power works mightily towards you.
To me that long line is outside of ourselves(crucified with Christ— the power of God working —toward another. I personally don’t think we can fake or make up that long line outside of ourself, having nothing to do with that which is dead…but the outwards working (not meaning the outer man flesh) but Spiritual power beyond what is dead. To me we “wait” and have “patience” for but where that long line is of God work outside of what is dead is His giving the increase. Does that make sense? How can someone control or claim what transforms beyond that which is dead?

I don't know what you mean by "that long line". Can you say this a different way?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

You may not understand this, but I am concerned for you, and I do pray for you, that God will heal you, and bring you into truth. Not grandstanding, just care. I realize that you believe you've been set over all of us. But the Bible tells us about real overseers, how to know them, and I go with that.

Your continued mistreatment of others is a neon sign that something is wrong, and I continue to hope you will realize that. Higher walk, lower walk, I know this for myself, God is truly amazing! Just the same:

James 3:13 KJV
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Let the one who has greater experience with God show that through the transformation in their lives, from contempt, to love.

Much love!

You are calling me into the trap, and I'm calling you out of the trap. EK-lesia (called out). And you say I'm being harsh for not thinking the trap is a good thing. :)

I'm trying to communicate something by every possible means through a keyboard. And I am NOT going to edify BEFORE the demolition that needs to take place takes place. God sent out Jeremiah to the nations to do what? Make them feel good?

No...but to knock down BEFORE building and planting.

First the cross THEN resurrection life. Death before life. And religious certainty claims...I will die no longer...only the devil wants me dead now. So God's warnings go unheeded.

 

[marks]

But liberation from all lies and sin is what the gospel is really about...not a freedom to sin and live in darkness.

Well of course!! And that applies to you also! This is Christianity 101.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are calling me into the trap, and I'm calling you out of the trap. EK-lesia (called out). And you say I'm being harsh for not thinking the trap is a good thing. :)

I'm trying to communicate something by every possible means through a keyboard. And I am NOT going to edify BEFORE the demolition that needs to take place takes place. God sent out Jeremiah to the nations to do what? Make them feel good?

No...but to knock down BEFORE building and planting.

First the cross THEN resurrection life. Death before life. And religious certainty claims...I will die no longer...only the devil wants me dead now. So God's warnings go unheeded.

James 3:8-13 KJV
8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Well of course!! And that applies to you also! This is Christianity 101.

Much love!

Not an amnesty for sins present and future...but a liberation to walk as Jesus walked. In Him is no sin. Gospel 101

 

[marks]

Not an amnesty for sins present and future...but a liberation to walk as Jesus walked. In him is no sin. Gospel 101

Right! Overcoming sin. Walking in the Spirit. Not doing the works of the flesh. Christianity 101! One thing though, His forgiveness is in fact real, and complete. Also 101.

Being transformed by the renewing of your mind.

And here you are, NO!!! You're not doing it! You're all wrong!! No!!! you don't really believe, you don't really trust Him, you've not really living the Godly Christian life according to God's intent, NO!!! NO!!! NO!!! You're all deceived, carnal, on and on and on.

It's like listening to a child, having the same tantrum every day.

Do you have any idea about what my life is actually like? No, you don't. Do you have any idea of what my relationship with my Father is? Again, no.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. And I know what your mouth speaks. And this should be that red flag to you, and I sincerely hope, and pray, that one day you will see this.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

James 3:8-13 KJV
8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Much love!

Obfuscation 101 :cool:

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I don't know what you mean by "that long line". Can you say this a different way?

Much love!

I don’t know. Earth ——> Mars. Bad example but the line as the distance traveled. I only meant that it’s what the distance traveled is said to be based off…the works of men. Or the Work of God. With men it seems from dead, Crucified with Christ —-the distance traveled is mens working towards —-themselves. Where they control the distance traveled.
The opposite being dead with Christ—-distance traveled the work of God—-towards another.
We can’t control or claim the work outside of ourselves towards another. But we can claim the working, distance traveled, towards ourselves. “Don’t stand near me. I am holier than you.” I get that sounds stupid and maybe makes no sense but to me that beyond death …that line and where its headed (sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness) ends in two different places by what we say makes up the distance traveled…God’s work. Or Men’s works.

2 Corinthians 13:3-4 KJV
Since you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. [4] For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.