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My ears are open. What is it you are saying?.....cuz to your surprise/ alarm, it ain't of Jehovah.
If you consider yourself representative of the Jehovah's Witness message and I am the recipient of your message, then I can assuredly tell you, I have learned nothing of Jehovah from the many long posts you have made.

What have learned from your many words is that of self justification, ie the 'rightness' of what you claim and the wrongness of others.

So here we are, you now have an opportunity to tell me of Jehovah!
I think you will find historically speaking your inability to engage with the text is the issue. Failure to listen "have ears to hear"...is the same as failing the Grace of God (root of bitterness or defilement). In your case you defilement comes from not knowing the one true God but rather you have a god who you have made in your own image. Aunty Jane most of the time includes supporting Scripture as do I, and while I have seen you misquote Scripture many many times, you always fail to engage with the text. The Acts 2:23 incident is a case in point.

What you do is speak at the text with your own thoughts and beliefs - you don't allow the text to talk to you - which is having ears to hear.

Hope that helps
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I think you will find historically speaking your inability to engage with the text is the issue. Failure to listen "have ears to hear"...is the same as failing the Grace of God (root of bitterness or defilement). In your case you defilement comes from not knowing the one true God but rather you have a god who you have made in your own image. Aunty Jane most of the time includes supporting Scripture as do I, and while I have seen you misquote Scripture many many times, you always fail to engage with the text. The Acts 2:23 incident is a case in point.

What you do is speak at the text with your own thoughts and beliefs - you don't allow the text to talk to you - which is having ears to hear.

Hope that helps
F2F
Firstly, you do understand I can make the same charges against you don't you?
Secondly, if quoting scripture is the big elixir to everything, I'm sure you are aware that Satan quoted scripture to Jesus?....oh, wait a minute, that's right, you don't believe in Satan as a supernatural evil being....ah yes, I recall you trying to find scriptures that underpin that view!
I'm sorry, your approach does not wash......and I also know why it doesn't wash.

So, seeing you engaged the issue, perhaps you could tell me of Jehovah?
 
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Firstly, you do understand I can make the same charges against you don't you?
Secondly, if quoting scripture is the big elixir to everything, I'm sure you are aware that Satan quoted scripture to Jesus?....oh, wait a minute, that's right, you don't believe in Satan as a supernatural evil being....ah yes, I recall you trying to find scriptures that underpin that view!
I'm sorry, your approach does not wash......and I also know why it doesn't wash.

So, seeing you engaged the issue, perhaps you could tell me of Jehovah?
If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— John 10:35

If ain't broke why does it not wash?

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What would you like to know about Jehovah QT?...do you have no specific questions? All I see are ambiguous statements, but specific questions would reveal your motive in asking......and I have to say, most of your posts leave me puzzled, because they do not make a lot of sense to me.....although they might make sense to you......I am not a mind reader.
 
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it doesn't was cuz it hasn't got anything in it that'll clean!
Ah you have gone and done it again Quiet - I've lost count how many times you make a comment and it bites you hard.

In Ephesians 5:25–26, he reminded them of how deeply Christ is committed to the body of believers: "Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word."

Do you seriously believe the Word cannot cleanse?

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What would you like to know about Jehovah QT?...do you have no specific questions? All I see are ambiguous statements, but specific questions would reveal your motive in asking......and I have to say, most of your posts leave me puzzled, because they do not make a lot of sense to me.....although they might make sense to you......I am not a mind reader.
Nah nah AJ, you're claiming to be his witness....just witness to me of him!
What I'm asking cannot be anymore direct and just to refresh your memory, I have asked you this question several times......and all I get is ignored or a decoy as is engaged above.
 
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Ah you have gone and done it again Quiet - I've lost count how many times you make a comment and it bites you hard.

In Ephesians 5:25–26, he reminded them of how deeply Christ is committed to the body of believers: "Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word."

Do you seriously believe the Word cannot cleanse?

F2F
You dont get it f2f. Quoting someone does not qualify as an introduction to them....or didn't you hear the question?
 
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That is not the answer about who Jesus is as revealed by the Father in heaven.
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my GOD"!
Observe how Jesus praised Peter and said that his answer is what the Father revealed as the truth.
Jesus praised Peter? Prove it.
Therefore Thomas is wrong and that only adds to the fact that Thomas wasn't blessed.
No Scripture? Of course not!
Matthew 16
13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Well yeah, Gen 1 God said "Let US make man in OUR image" ...

Father and Son!

Where did Jesus teach Thomas he is God?
You don't even know that Thomas was taught personally by Jesus?
You're defending your beliefs the same way anyone who believes anything will defend what they believe. Defending the Bible would require understanding what the Bible says first.
Says Kingdom Hall?
There is no mention of a Father and Son together in Genesis 1. Also, I have already explained what the word elohim refers to. You immediately tried to change the topic to Hebrews 1 and started talking about something completely unrelated. That was several pages ago by now, but seems you are finally coming around.
Then Who is this God Who called Himself US and OUR? You don't even know.
You can begin on page 95 with post #1886
How about Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
 

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Should Jesus really be considered to be God because he was symbolically “named” Immanuel (Is. 7:14; Mt. 1:23) which means “God is with us”?
Symbolically is WatchTower argument when they don't like what God said.
No more so than Gabriel was calling himself God
Quote where Gabriel called himself God.
when he visited Mary and declared: “The Lord is with thee” - Luke 1:28. Nor did Zacharias mean that John the Baptizer (his new son) was actually God when he was asked, “I wonder what this child [John] will turn out to be?”, and he answered, “Praise the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has come to visit his people and has redeemed them.” - Luke 1:66-68, LB.

Gabriel and Zacharias (Zechariah) meant exactly what Israelites have meant throughout thousands of years when saying “God is with us” and similar statements. They meant “God has favored us” or “God is helping us”! - Gen. 21:22; Ex. 18:19; Nu. 23:21; josh. 1:9; 1 Chron. 17:2; 2 chron. 1:1; 35:21; ezra 1:3; is. 8:10. And Joshua 1:17; 1 Samuel 10:7; 2 Chron. 15:2-4, 9 (cf., Jer. 1:8; Haggai 1:13). But if we insist on trinitarian-type “proof,” then Gabriel must have meant that he (Gabriel) is God! And Zacharias (whose own name means ‘Jehovah is renowned’ - p. 678, TDOTB) must have meant that John the Baptizer is God! – Also see 1 Sam. 17:37; 2 Sam. 14:17; 1 Ki. 8:57; 1 Chron. 17:2; 22:18; 2 Chron. 36:23; Is. 41:10; Amos 5:14; Zech 8:23. (Also see “Immanuel” in the Insight books.)

This understanding is seen throughout the Bible. For example, “But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.” - 1 Corinthians 14:24-25, RSV.

Or, in a Psalm many of us apply to ourselves or our friends:

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me - ASV.

The acclaimed trinitarian Bible dictionary, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, 1986, Vol. 2, pp. 86, 87, states:

“The name Emmanuel [or Immanuel] which occurs in Isa. 7:14 and 8:8 means lit. ‘God [is] with us’ .... In the context of the times of Isaiah and King Ahaz the name is given to a child as yet not conceived with the promise that the danger now threatening Israel from Syria and Samaria will pass ‘before the child knows how to refuse evil and choose the good.’ Thus, the child and its name is a sign of God’s gracious saving presence among his people .... [The name Emmanuel] could be a general statement that the birth and naming of the special child will indicate that the good hand of God is upon us.” - p. 86. And, “The point of the present passage [Matt. 1:23] is to see in the birth of Jesus a saving act of God, comparable with the birth of the first Emmanuel. Both births signify God’s presence with his people through a child.” - p. 87.

Or as noted trinitarian scholar Murray J. Harris tells us:

“Matthew [in Matt. 1:23] is not saying, ‘Someone who is “God” is now physically with us,’ but ‘God is acting on our behalf in the person of Jesus.’” - p. 258, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. (emphasis added)
Your JW smokescreen noted. I'll stick with the Christian Bible.

Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jesus is clearly God the Creator!
 

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Nah nah AJ, you're claiming to be his witness....just witness to me of him!
What I'm asking cannot be anymore direct and just to refresh your memory, I have asked you this question several times......and all I get is ignored or a decoy as is engaged above.
Another weird reply.....sorry mate, I am not on your wavelength at all.....there is again no question to answer.....how can I answer a question you do not ask? And I will ignore you if you frustrate me with posts that make no sense.....what am I supposed to say? :ummm:
 
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John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my GOD"!

Jesus praised Peter? Prove it.

No Scripture? Of course not!

Well yeah, Gen 1 God said "Let US make man in OUR image" ...

Father and Son!


You don't even know that Thomas was taught personally by Jesus?

Says Kingdom Hall?

Then Who is this God Who called Himself US and OUR? You don't even know.

How about Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
Please read my replies. I will write thoughtful answers that will actually address the things you say. You keep replying by repeating the very same things that I already gave answers to by using Scripture. I suggest you review post #1886 and #2078.
 

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I'll stick with the Christian Bible.

Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jesus is clearly God the Creator!
Above you claimed that Jesus is the creator and that you are going to stick with the Christian Bible. Please quote the verse that says Jesus is the creator. Also, would you mind explaining why Jesus isn't the creator in the Christian Bible of passage Acts 4:24-27? Thanks.

Also, how do you figure Jesus is the creator when Colossians 1:15 says he is the "image" of the invisible God? God is invisible, images are not invisible. That's in the Christian Bible.

Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

1 Timothy 1
17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.