Israeli attack on civilians should be condemned by all believers

[dad]

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

Right, The God of Israel was Jesus, and He came down to His people Israel. They rejected Him totally and killed Him. Their house was left unto them desolate. Only in the end will some survivors (who will be, at the time, all Israel) accept Him. THEN He again says He will be their God and they will be His people.

 

[dad]

Not the Israel wannabees.

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

There is only one way. One Door. One Truth. One Light. - Jesus. NO man comes to the Father BUT by Him. Period. No Jew will ever get to heaven without Jesus any more than anyone else will. Only after Israel accepts Jesus will He destroy their enemies. Remember that they are also His enemies, as well as the enemies of all new believers from the tribulation era

 

[Jack]

Right, The God of Israel was Jesus, and He came down to His people Israel. They rejected Him totally and killed Him. Their house was left unto them desolate. Only in the end will some survivors (who will be, at the time, all Israel) accept Him. THEN He again says He will be their God and they will be His people.

Israel had already rejected God and He was still the God of Israel.

 

[Jack]

There is only one way. One Door. One Truth. One Light. - Jesus. NO man comes to the Father BUT by Him. Period. No Jew will ever get to heaven without Jesus any more than anyone else will. Only after Israel accepts Jesus will He destroy their enemies. Remember that they are also His enemies, as well as the enemies of all new believers from the tribulation era

Why are you OBSESSED against Israel, just like Satan???

 

[dad]

Israel had already rejected God and He was still the God of Israel.

They had not rejected Jesus until they rejected Jesus.

 

[dad]

Why are you OBSESSED against Israel, just like Satan???

You think saying Jesus is the only way is obsessing against Israel? That is not healthy mentally.

 

[Jack]

They had not rejected Jesus until they rejected Jesus.

Um, Jesus is God. They had already rejected Him.

 

[Jack]

You think saying Jesus is the only way is obsessing against Israel? That is not healthy mentally.

I think you're gonna receive the same judgment from God as you are judging Israel on Judgment Day.

 

[dad]

Um, Jesus is God. They had already rejected Him.

The verse you posted was Luke chapter one. They had not killed and rejected Jesus by then.

 

[dad]

I think you're gonna receive the same judgment from God as you are judging Israel on Judgment Day.

Pretending I judge Israel is a lie. The prophesies of God tell us they will go through that time of wrath. It is you who are casting firebrands. Israel is going to be judged by God. It doesn't matter how many cry me a river over the matter or not. It is written. Your attempt to justify terrorism and mass murder and starving a population etc is refuted and exposed here. And now we can clearly see why. You are without excuse or bible support for your cheering on of genocide.
What people will be judged for is whether or not they believe in Jesus. Again, we are seeing why that time of great wrath that is approaching will come on Israel and the world.

 

[Jack]

Pretending I judge Israel is a lie. The prophesies of God tell us they will go through that time of wrath. It is you who are casting firebrands. Israel is going to be judged by God. It doesn't matter how many cry me a river over the matter or not. It is written. Your attempt to justify terrorism and mass murder and starving a population etc is refuted and exposed here. And now we can clearly see why. You are without excuse or bible support for your cheering on of genocide.
What people will be judged for is whether or not they believe in Jesus. Again, we are seeing why that time of great wrath that is approaching will come on Israel and the world.

Do you read your own posts? You're OBSESSED against Israel! Jesus is the God of Israel, always was and always will be! You're attacking God!

 

[dad]

Do you read your own posts? You're OBSESSED against Israel! Jesus is the God of Israel, always was and always will be! You're attacking God!

Casting out insane and false accusations is not replacement for defending your position. There is no possibility of defending Israeli terrorism and genocide and treatment of civilians. Certainly not using the bible. So you are left with empty lies and diversion attempts. Is that what you think Jesus wants?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Meanwhile the saved Jews of course are the true Israel of God. That doesn't mean all Israel in the end will not ALSO be saved.

All of the first Christians were Jewish.....every writer of the scriptures, both OT and NT, was Jewish. So the Jews were given every opportunity to respond to Jesus’ ministry. All scripture was written by their own fleshly brothers.
In order to be saved however, all who sought to worship the true God, had to accept Jesus as the Christ. No exceptions.

Jesus said in his condemnation of the Jews as a nation.....”your house is abandoned to you”... because of their appalling history. (Matt 23:37-39). There will be no mass conversion of the Jews because the majority will fail to accept Jesus as their Messiah.....even to this day the Jews vehemently deny that Jesus was the Christ....so whilst Christians await his return, after 2000 years, they are still waiting for their Messiah to show up the first time.

the saved Jews of course are the true Israel of God. That doesn't mean all Israel in the end will not ALSO be saved.

Paul identified “spiritual Israel”....when he spoke of the promise made to God’s people....

To Abraham, God said....
“And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”
Here the promise to Abraham was not just for the Jews.....these would be the vehicle through whom Messiah would come, but God Promised to bless “all nations of the earth” by means of his anointed one...his “Christ”.

So God turned to the Gentiles to fill the number of those who would rule as kings and priests in his Kingdom. These would join their Jewish brothers and sisters as “the Israel of God”. (Gal 6:16)
Jesus said....
“This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.”
The fleshly nation of Israel had finished its purpose and could now be cast off as the serial covenant breakers they had always been.....the “Israel of God” were going to be obedient to God’s son, unlike disobedient natural Israel who rejected him and had him murdered.

Paul said....
“However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel. Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s offspring; rather, “What will be called your offspring will be through Isaac. That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the offspring.” (Rom 9:6-8)

”Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.” (Gal 3:29)

Rom 2:28-29...
“For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.”

Could Paul have made it plainer? Natural Israel as a nation, are no longer God’s people.....Jehovah changed what it meant to be “Jewish”. A remnant was prophesied to come to salvation....and a remnant did. (Rom 9:27-28)

when people reject Him and sin, He does not bless them for it.

Exactly.....no matter what fleshly nationality you are, Christians who faithfully follow the teachings of Jesus Christ now make up the “Israel of God”....

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

At the end of the day it was Islamic forces that brought this War on in fact !
The attacked like a mongrel dog, without warning ! a outright gutless mongrel act !
The MSM is a total low life mongrel mouthing off about Israel, as if Israel should do as the MSM want ! or a total moron like Joe Biden dictating to Israel what it should do ? what if this moronic act was done to the USA ! What then ? Oh ! what should we do Islam etc, Atheist forum etc, what should the USA do ? Well, fact is if a Nation has been attacked like so ! then it's up to the Government of that Nation to deal with such and stop such Mongrels from what they are doing to their own people ! not outsiders or MSM to take domination over the issue !

Israel has to deal with such low life all the time ! Not to have the MSM to dictate over them ! like does the MSM care less about the real issue ! clearly not !
Do the MSM demand letting go of the Jews the Islamic still hold ! No ! So they are still at War with Israel in fact ! Yes they are !
The MSM are provoking this War in fact ! and it was Joe Biden that caused this attack in fact ! I knew it directly as soon as Joe Biden gave all them USA weapons in Afghanistan, so the Arabs could use them weapons against the Jews in Israel in fact, Joe Biden brought that attack on against the Jews ! and it was Joe Biden who created the War in Ukraine in fact and it was weapons give to Ukraine from Joe Biden that were sold by the most corrupt Nation on earth Ukraine ! who underhandedly sold the USA given weapons to attack Israel in fact !

At the end of the day it comes down to this, the god of Socialism, is the root cause of the intent of the War that took place in Israel. It has to do with Joe Biden's New World Order in fact ! The powers within the Socialist within Israel let this all happen in fact ! it was they who let it take place and it is them and the MSM and Joe Biden who are truly only after the PM of Israel and the anti Socialist within Israel in fact ! That's what it's truly all about and they are playing this moronic game, thinking that they will pull it off ! That's the Key !

They want a Socialist New World Order ! They are at War with anyone who is not a Socialist in fact, that's clear ! They the Socialist are retards who are working to make a retarded world ! full of morons who are that retarded that such people believe that their are more than two Genders ! What next ! Morons who were just like people who idolised Hitler back in the day in fact ! They would believe anything without questioning it ! not to mention no one could question Hitler in fact, and it's the same nowadays, one can not question the idiot Socialist once again ! It sticks out like dogs balls to me ! Hitler and Joe Biden are of the same cloth in fact, the same sort of retards as Stalin in fact ! They killed people with no regards at all !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As are the Israelis now

I don't like a lot of things taught in schools. Schools here teach that killing babies is cool.

Yet your defending these terrorists kids who want to kill jews..

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

There is only one way. One Door. One Truth. One Light. - Jesus. NO man comes to the Father BUT by Him. Period. No Jew will ever get to heaven without Jesus any more than anyone else will. Only after Israel accepts Jesus will He destroy their enemies. Remember that they are also His enemies, as well as the enemies of all new believers from the tribulation era

Absolutely. Romans 11 confirms that all Israel will be saved. A remnant of the current Jewish population, which is identified in scripture as 1/3 (Zech. 13:8) will be saved..God will remove their blindness.
Man is incapable of removing his/her own spiritual blindness. God enables us to see and so when Jesus returns and "all eyes see Him", they will believe (this is conjecture on my part as to when this will happen). Another way would be prior to Jesus return, Two Witnesses evangelize the Jews for 1260 days and God removes their blindness. But then that would mean they would be raptured at His coming and no one left there to repopulate Israel during the Millennial Kingdom. ??

Listen God gives life and takes it away.
If He values the little ones whom He created, maybe those will be saved? This is also speculation. I don't know if He would save an infant of an unbeliever. Some believe children are innocent, don't really know right from wrong, especially infants. But we are born guilty. Infants come out of the womb and within no time at all are lying, manipulating, selfish, mean, doing anything to get their way. I don't know if God is merciful with the little ones of unbelievers. I do know that He is with His sheep and all those in their families. "You and your household will be saved."
So it all comes down to whose life God values in the end!

 

[bluedragon]

My guess is the numbers are higher. Believer can judge whether torturing, starving and mass murdering women and children is good or bad. Sorry that is news to you.

So you believe Hamas?

Thank you for pointing out that you are Muslim.....

 

[dad]

All of the first Christians were Jewish.....every writer of the scriptures, both OT and NT, was Jewish. So the Jews were given every opportunity to respond to Jesus’ ministry. All scripture was written by their own fleshly brothers.
In order to be saved however, all who sought to worship the true God, had to accept Jesus as the Christ. No exceptions.

Yes they were given the opportunity. And they will again be given an opportunity in the end.

Jesus said in his condemnation of the Jews as a nation.....”your house is abandoned to you”... because of their appalling history. (Matt 23:37-39). There will be no mass conversion of the Jews because the majority will fail to accept Jesus as their Messiah.....even to this day the Jews vehemently deny that Jesus was the Christ....so whilst Christians await his return, after 2000 years, they are still waiting for their Messiah to show up the first time.

Yes their house is empty now and they are out of fellowship and communion and contact with their former God. They will all be saved in the end though. Not now. (unless they get saved as individuals)

Paul identified “spiritual Israel”....when he spoke of the promise made to God’s people....

To Abraham, God said....
“And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”
Here the promise to Abraham was not just for the Jews.....these would be the vehicle through whom Messiah would come, but God Promised to bless “all nations of the earth” by means of his anointed one...his “Christ”.

Right. Not only is salvation not now limited to Israel, it basically excludes Israel as a nation until they repent.

So God turned to the Gentiles to fill the number of those who would rule as kings and priests in his Kingdom. These would join their Jewish brothers and sisters as “the Israel of God”. (Gal 6:16)
Jesus said....
“This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.”
The fleshly nation of Israel had finished its purpose and could now be cast off as the serial covenant breakers they had always been.....the “Israel of God” were going to be obedient to God’s son, unlike disobedient natural Israel who rejected him and had him murdered.

Yes, Israel lost it's place as the messenger of God to mankind for salvation etc.

Paul said....
“However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel. Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s offspring; rather, “What will be called your offspring will be through Isaac. That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the offspring.” (Rom 9:6-8)

”Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.” (Gal 3:29)

Rom 2:28-29...
“For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.”

Could Paul have made it plainer? Natural Israel as a nation, are no longer God’s people.....Jehovah changed what it meant to be “Jewish”. A remnant was prophesied to come to salvation....and a remnant did. (Rom 9:27-28)

Right as a nation. Yet there is seven years left in their history to complete things and bring IN everlasting salvation. At that time even though most will be killed first, a remnant will all be saved.

Exactly.....no matter what fleshly nationality you are, Christians who faithfully follow the teachings of Jesus Christ now make up the “Israel of God”....

I have no problem with that. But the promises still stand for the descendants of Abraham and that land as well. There is a time set aside to complete things. They will have all that whole land promised, and God will utterly destroy all their enemies and bless them and again be their God and they again will be His people. He will restore them from all over the earth to that promised land.

 

[dad]

So you believe Hamas?

Thank you for pointing out that you are Muslim.....

I believe that tens of thousands have been killed and that they are being starved and terrorized, and Hamas is not the source for that world news. But if it came to weighing news from Israel against news from inside Gaza, I would lean toward rejecting anything whatsoever from Israel from now on. That doesn't mean I also would not take other news with a grain of salt. It just means that Israel ruled itself OUT of the realm of truth completely as far as I am concerned.

 

[dad]

Absolutely. Romans 11 confirms that all Israel will be saved. A remnant of the current Jewish population, which is identified in scripture as 1/3 (Zech. 13:8) will be saved..God will remove their blindness.
Man is incapable of removing his/her own spiritual blindness. God enables us to see and so when Jesus returns and "all eyes see Him", they will believe (this is conjecture on my part as to when this will happen). Another way would be prior to Jesus return, Two Witnesses evangelize the Jews for 1260 days and God removes their blindness. But then that would mean they would be raptured at His coming and no one left there to repopulate Israel during the Millennial Kingdom. ??

Since Jews are promised the land right here on earth, it is my understanding that they will not be raptured at least until after that 1000 years. Everyone will then have to be raptured if they are believers because the whole planet will be burned and redone. As I see it, they will help us rule the world with Jesus. Now as far as after the 1000 years I am somewhat murky about what will happen. I assume that at that time we will all be together as His people and God Himself (and us of course) will move to the new earth forever, and our city (New Jerusalem) will come down to earth.

Listen God gives life and takes it away.
If He values the little ones whom He created, maybe those will be saved?

I heard a preacher recently speak to that and say that all children up to the age of decision will be in heaven.

This is also speculation. I don't know if He would save an infant of an unbeliever. Some believe children are innocent, don't really know right from wrong, especially infants. But we are born guilty. Infants come out of the womb and within no time at all are lying, manipulating, selfish, mean, doing anything to get their way. I don't know if God is merciful with the little ones of unbelievers. I do know that He is with His sheep and all those in their families. "You and your household will be saved."
So it all comes down to whose life God values in the end!

He loved the world. Those of age can accept His free gift of life. Children of believers are also called clean.