CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[Robert Pate]

I’m already in the Kingdom of God..when I became Born Again....LOL....Praise God!!!

Back it up with scripture like I did...only in your opinion it’s not saying what I think it’s saying.

Who are you trying to convince me or yourself..LOL.

ROMANS 9:14–24

Romans 9:14-24​

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King James Version​

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14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

So, when you walk into the judgment and God asks you why he should allow you into heaven your answer is going to be because you were born again.

What if you have not been born again? What if you are still in your sins because you don't believe the Gospel?

From what I have seen that you have written about God you are not going to like heaven.

 

[Ritajanice]

So, when you walk into the judgment and God asks you why he should allow you into heaven your answer is going to be because you were born again.

What if you have not been born again? What if you are still in your sins because you don't believe the Gospel?

From what I have seen that you have written about God you are not going to like heaven.

Listen.....I only hear the voice of Jesus I’m one of his sheep, Born Again...your silly game of war mongering and spreading human fear..is embarrassing...you aren’t God...I have nothing to prove to you, I’ve posted the word of God, if you can’t deal with it ..then I suggest you take it up with God.

With respect, your posts don’t make an ounce of sense to me....and as for me being a Calvinist,lol.

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed..that liveth and abideth forever.

The Holy Spirit liveth and abideth forever in my heart.....

 

[Robert Pate]

Listen.....I only hear the voice of Jesus I’m one of his sheep, Born Again...your silly game of war mongering and spreading human fear..is embarrassing...you aren’t God...I have nothing to prove to you, I’ve posted the word of God, if you can’t deal with it ..then I suggest you take it up with God.

With respect, your posts don’t make an ounce of sense to me....and as for me being a Calvinist,lol.

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because that have been Born Again of imperishable seed..that liveth and abideth forever.

The Holy Spirit liveth and abideth forever in my heart.....

You have not been born again according to the Bible. To be born again is to believe that Jesus in your name and on your behalf has saved you by fulfilling the law and atoning for your sins. And that you are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. I don't see any indication that you believe that.

 

[Ritajanice]

You have not been born again according to the Bible. To be born again is to believe that Jesus in your name and on your behalf has saved you by fulfilling the law and atoning for your sins. And that you are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. I don't see any indication that you believe that.

Listen..I don’t give 2 hoots what you think...I go by the “ LIVING “ word of God...now I know for a fact that “ you” haven’t a clue what that means...so, pointless carrying on with you.

You are deaf and blind....until God in his mercy and grace decides to make you Born Of The Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is a Living Spirit....he is not a book....you lead yourself through scripture imo and it shows...are we done yet?

Romans 9:14-24

King James Version

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14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Red Baker]

The only thing that I know about God is what has been revealed to me through his Son Jesus Christ and the scriptures.

The scripture says that he is kind, longsuffering, not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9.

Robert, up to this point you have not proven that God has revealed anything to you based upon what I have seen. I know a few women that could shame you, who are not prophetess, yet you could make them look like they are, without question.

Concerning 2nd peter 3:9 God's long suffering is clearly told to us who they are..."usward" and usward are those to read about in:

2nd Peter 1:1-4~"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

Let me ask you a question: Do you truly believe that Noah had a large sign on the side of the ark that read: "SMILE, GOD LOVES YOU"..well, you probably do believe that, I do not.

Let's look at what the scriptures said of God's longsuffering concerning the wicked.

Romans 9:23~"“What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction;

In this and the following verse, in which the substance of the doctrine of predestination is contained in a few words, the Apostle gives his third and final answer to the objection stated in the 19th verse, subjoining the reasons of God’s different proceedings with one man and with another. Hereby God manifests His great displeasure against sin, and His power to take vengeance on sinners; He exercises great patience towards them, seeing they are vessels of wrath fitted to destruction by their own wickedness, to which God shuts them up in His judgment. On the other hand, what can be said against it, if He proceed in mercy with others, thereby manifesting the riches of His glory, or His glorious grace, since they are vessels of mercy, whom, by His sovereign election from eternity, and the sanctification of His Spirit in time, He had afore prepared unto glory? The sum of the Apostle’s answer here is, that the grand object of God, both in the election and the reprobation of men, is that which is paramount to all things else in the creation of the universe, namely, His own glory. With the assertion of this doctrine, however offensive to the natural man, which must always appear to him foolishness, Paul winds up, in the last verse of the eleventh chapter, the whole of his previous discussion in this Epistle.

“What if God, willing to show His wrath” ~Here the purpose of God, in enduring the wicked in this world, is expressly stated to arise from His willingness to show His wrath against sin. We see, then, that the entrance of sin into the world was necessary to manifest the Divine character in His justice and hatred of sin. Had sin never entered into the creation of God, His character would never have been fully developed. Let wicked men hear what God says in this place. They flatter themselves that in some way, through mercy, or because great severity, they suppose, would not be just, they will finally escape. But God here declares by the Apostle, that He has endured sin in the world for the very purpose of glorifying Himself in its punishment. How, then, shall they escape?

“And to make His power known” ~ The entrance of sin was also an occasion of manifesting God’s power and wisdom in overruling it for His glory. The power or ability of God, is different from the power in the preceding verse, as is strikingly seen in this place. The Romans 9:21 God asserts the right of God to act in the manner supposed; this verse shows that His doing so was to manifest His wrath against sin, and His power to make even sin to glorify His name. Sin is in its own nature to God’s dishonor. He has overruled it so that He has turned it to His glory. This is the most wonderful display of power.

“Endured with much long-suffering” ~ How often do men wonder that God endures so much sin as appears in the world. Why does not God immediately cut off transgressors? Why does He not make an end of them at once? The answer is, He endures them for His own glory, and in their condemnation He will be glorified. To short-sighted mortals, it would appear preferable if God would cut off in childhood all whom He foresaw should continue in wickedness. But God endures them to old age, and to the utmost bounds of wickedness, for the glory of His own name.

“Vessels of wrath” — vessels ‘full of the fury of the Lord,’ Isaiah 51:20 “Fitted to destruction” — They are vessels, indeed, but they are vessels of wrath, and by their sins they are fitted for destruction; and it is in the counsel of Jehovah that this shall be so. (Robert Haldane)

 

[Red Baker]

You have not been born again according to the Bible. T

Who are you?? judging others salvation from sin and condemnation.

To be born again is to believe that Jesus in your name and on your behalf has saved you by fulfilling the law and atoning for your sins. And that you are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

That sir, is only an evidence of one that is born of God, it is not a condition to be born again, neither is correct bible doctrine, expect with the person of Jesus Christ, one cannot deny his deity of being God manifest in the flesh. Other than that, if a person has fruits of the Spirit of God operating in their life, then a tree is known by its fruits.

I don't see any indication that you believe that

Are you kin to the Pope? You must be.

 

[Red Baker]

The God of Calvinism is just the opposite of the God of the Bible.

Prove what you are saying with God's testimony, and if you cannot, then you are mocking the God of the holy scriptures and he will not take that very lightly.

 

[Ritajanice]

Prove what you are saying with God's testimony, and if you cannot, then you are mocking the God of the holy scriptures and he will not take that very lightly.

Amen!!!

 

[Red Baker]

If God hardened the hearts of unbelievers, he would be unjust. God knows who has a hardened heart and who doesn't. Pharaoh's heart was already hardened. You are called to believe that or to believe that God is unjust and is a sinner. So, which is it?

The scriptures do clearly states that God harden Pharaoh's heart, are you denying that?

But, unlike you, we practice what Ezra and others before and after him did.

Nehemiah 8:8​

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”

So, in what sense could it be said biblically that God hardens men's hearts? Very simple, by leaving them to themselves and not working in them to fear him ~ he just leaves them to the power of their wicked hearts, thoughts and lusts. He could restrain any man, put his fear in them, yet many, God just leaves them to their own sinful thoughts, wisdom, and lust to destroy themselves by the darkness that is in them by nature.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No it’s not wrong, God can harden who Evers heart he pleases, he hardened Pharoah heart to accomplish his will.

Can God harden a believer's heart?
Without question, the answer is yes, he does. The Bible speaks of God's active agency in hardening hearts with unmistakable bluntness. Maybe the clearest example is Pharaoh at the time of the Exodus. God hardened his heart in obstinacy on purpose.

I would not like to ever be disobedient to God knowingly, in ignorance yes, deliberately disobeying God you must me joking...


21 Bible Verses about God Hardening People
Most Relevant Verses

Romans 9:18
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So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

Exodus 4:21
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The Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

Exodus 7:3
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But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 9:12
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And the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the Lord had spoken to Moses.

Exodus 10:1
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Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may perform these signs of Mine among them,

Exodus 14:17
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As for Me, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them; and I will be honored through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen.

Deuteronomy 2:30
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But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today.

You pick all unbelievers to give evidence that God hardens a believers heart. That is not compelling in the least

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This would be wrong. Believers harden their own hearts through continual disobedience, until they quench the voice of the spirit.

Well Rita I am glad you find believers hardening their hearts humorous. I find it tragic.

 

[Ritajanice]

You pick all unbelievers to give evidence that God hardens a believers heart. That is not compelling in the least

I posted scripture that God hardens hearts...my opinion as yours also an opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well Rita I am glad you find believers hardening their hearts humorous. I find it tragic.

Who said I found it humorous, are you putting words into my mouth, like you do another member...don’t do it!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I posted scripture that God hardens hearts...my opinion as yours also an opinion.

Oh I agree that God hardens peoples hearts. But it is unbelievers hearts He will harden. there is no Scripture that says He hardens believers hearts. That runs contrary to the revealed plan of God for His children (believers)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who said I found it humorous, are you putting words into my mouth, like you do another member...don’t do it!

You posted a laugh emoji.

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh I agree that God hardens peoples hearts. But it is unbelievers hearts He will harden. there is no Scripture that says He hardens believers hearts. That runs contrary to the revealed plan of God for His children (believers)

And there is no scripture that says he doesn’t harden believers hearts.

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[Ritajanice]

You posted a laugh emoji.

By mistake, so I will remove it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And there is no scripture that says he doesn’t harden believers hearts.

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Anmd there is no scripture that says He does. But plenty of Scripture that speaks of God sanctifying us, loving us and giving us much more now that we have become His children. all the verses on love and grace and mercy and patience and teaching and sanctifying go against teh concept God would harden the heart of His children.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

By mistake, so I will remove it.

Then I apologize, I only reacted to your emoji. I do not put words in your mouth and avoid that at all costs unless the conclusions of ones writing leads to it.

I do not think you could find an example where I put words in anothers mouth that if I did falsely, I did not apologize.

I do draw the conclusions that several here teach one has to not sin in order to be or stayed saved. It is based on their writings because they stubbornly refuse to answer the very clear questions I ask of them.

 

[Red Baker]

Oh I agree that God hardens peoples hearts. But it is unbelievers hearts He will harden. there is no Scripture that says He hardens believers hearts. That runs contrary to the revealed plan of God for His children (believers)

Greetings Ronald, how do you read 2nd Samuel 24:1? Any thoughts?