Is it okay to eat pork?

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This is my take

When God passed down his laws to the 12 tribes of Israel through Moses, no gentile nation was represented, So if you are a gentile then eating Pork is not an actual sin. However there is normally a good reason for those laws so eating pork is probably not a great idea.
 
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Mark 7:19, depending on how you interpret it, whether "cleansing all the foods" should be included in Jesus' quote, or not, if not, this is Mark telling us that Jesus made all foods clean.

If in fact the food laws were first given to Israel in order to make a distinction between them and the gentiles, then this statement shows all foods now clean, and would be used in Peter's vision.

"Don't call unclean what I've cleansed", referring to the food, said lesson to be applied to the gentiles. Not the same distinction an longer.

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We may eat "unclean foods" if we want. But there is one time that we should not. That time is when we sit down to eat with a weaker brother who thinks that the food laws are necessary to be followed to be saved. In front of this legalist we should not eat, say Pork; which is an unclean food. Because to do so would offend that weak in knowledge one and make him think that we are not faithful to God. Because to him (the unknowledgeable one) he thinks that not eating pork is the way to please and obey God. So for this man's ignorance we should ourselves abstain from eating pork in his presence because it would be a stumbling stone to him to eat pork.

We see this notion explained..
Paul on food laws and how they relate to man, which would take me volumes to explain:
Rom 14:14-17
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. (KJV)

1 Cor 8:6-13
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. (KJV)
 
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Well as that prophecy was for the people of Israel, we as the church do not need to worry about it.

And you fail to acknowledge that Jesus and the apostles did away with all dietary restrictions found in the OT. So you have a conundrum. but knowing the context of what the Lord is saying- He is referring to gentiles (for Israel did not have pork or eat mice) andthat their hearts were wrong with God.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

Verse 18 part A is key, just as Jesus said. It is what is in man that defiles him.
So, when did the Lord come with fire and punish "all flesh"?
 

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This is my take

When God passed down his laws to the 12 tribes of Israel through Moses, no gentile nation was represented, So if you are a gentile then eating Pork is not an actual sin. However there is normally a good reason for those laws so eating pork is probably not a great idea.
Isaiah 66 says when the Lord comes with fire and with His chariots of fire, He's going to burn up those caught doing abominible things like eating swine's flesh.
 

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So, when did the Lord come with fire and punish "all flesh"?
When did Jesus say that nothing that enters a persons mouth goes into the draught and out the behind?

when did the Apostle Paul say that all foods are to be received if they are received with thanksgiving?

Are Jesus and Paul wrong??????
 

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Did anybody ever get a DNA test to prove Michelle Obama is not a woman?

All I ever heard was speculation and not any proof.

All one has to do it get a cup or glass she was drinking from and send it to a lab to see if it's a Y or an X chromosome
Well there is loads of anecdotal evidence.

Like Joan Rivers declaring it on national TV 2 days before she mysteriously died.

then with a little searching there are many pictures of Michelle in tight slacks or tight dresses clearly showing a sausage bulge right where men show their sausage bulge. Being highly protected by the Secret Service since rising to fame as FLOTUS , I doubt anyone can get near enough to steal a glass or piece of silverware. I do not think one can identify gender from a fingerprint or lip smear. You need actual body material.
 
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Well there is loads of anecdotal evidence.

Like Joan Rivers declaring it on national TV 2 days before she mysteriously died.

then with a little searching there are many pictures of Michelle in tight slacks or tight dresses clearly showing a sausage bulge right where men show their sausage bulge. Being highly protected by the Secret Service since rising to fame as FLOTUS , I doubt anyone can get near enough to steal a glass or piece of silverware. I do not think one can identify gender from a fingerprint or lip smear. You need actual body material.

Oh, Ron, not you.

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In the day and age in which we live... those that don't possess the love of the Truth (God's Word) will very likely be falling in to grievous sin of one kind or another.

This is especially true for Christians because the devil is always out to pervert people and turn them away from the Lord back in to sinful living... which is why the false doctrine of OSAS is so beneficial to the devil.

OSAS gets people to believe they are still saved even if they get in to sinful behavior.

Yep, 'ol slewfoot is always there to help easy people in to dark understanding and help them believe it's all good and he works thru churches primarily when targeting Christians to backslide!


*Warnings and Notices concerning the times we
live in and the coming end of this age – PAY ATTENTION!

Matthew 24:4,5

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2

Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who
separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Matthew 24:3-13
What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (including saying “I am anointed”); and shall deceive many.
And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation (ethnic group vs ethnic group), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many different places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (See 1 John 5:3 AND 2 John 1:6)
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 
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Well now you know why Obama is never caught up in any sex scandals, He's gay, which also explains why he promotes the practice so much.

Well gay peoples have sex scandals too you know.

There was this one case where the police put this gay guy in a straight jacket because he was having a mental breakdown.

Well now, he is suing the police department because he likes women now... all because they put him in a straight jacket! laughing7.gif
 
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When did Jesus say that nothing that enters a persons mouth goes into the draught and out the behind?

when did the Apostle Paul say that all foods are to be received if they are received with thanksgiving?

Are Jesus and Paul wrong??????
See, I keep showing you how Jesus' words contextually are referring to "SPIRITUAL" defilement when He says it ain't what goes in but what comes out is that which defiles.

However, YOU can't point to any time when Jesus had come with fire IN THE PAST, had come with chariots like a whirlwind IN THE PAST, had come with a flaming sword IN THE PAST, had come to plead with all flesh ("condemn" all flesh) IN THE PAST, etc.

All these we immediately recognize as the Second Coming...but because it says He's going to consume with fire those that are found indulging abominable things like pork...well, then, we throw out common sense and look for ways to "spiritualize" and explain away what is a plain "thus saith the Lord".
 

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Same with his husband Michelle
What a crappy thing to say. Really. Shame on you. Is she not pretty enough for you, or did you hear from one of the funny Rep guys who say she might be a guy? Too much conspiracy is bad for the brain. Seen any reptilians lately or is that too far out for ya?
 

Phoneman777

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Eating pork is not an obamanation.... I hear Obama eats lots of pork!

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Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV says when Jesus comes with fire and with fiery chariots and with a fiery sword and condemns all (guilty) flesh, those found eating abominable things like pork are going to be burned up.

So, who are you going to trust: false pulpit prophets who tell you that pork is fit fare or God's "gospel prophet" Isaiah?