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This response has NOTHING to do with Cottrell. We are talking about Cottrell. So I will re-post what I said:Only conflating IF that is your perception.
You said. "Which lies of EGW do you call psychotic anti-Catholic nonsense? Put up or shut up."
So I was being obediently quiet. Therefore I was not going to respond to what you perceive are the lies of EGW.
In Reply # 1114 you listed
Identification of the pope as Antichrist.
You might be surprised to know there are many non SDA (or EGW supporters) who do believe this.
The papal system represented “the apostasy of the latter times.”
Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from, abandonment of, or renunciation of a religion by a person. It can also be defined within the broader context of embracing an opinion that is contrary to one's previous religious beliefs. One who undertakes apostasy is known as an apostate. Undertaking apostasy is called apostatizing.
(definition from Wiki)
Yep, seems like some that are quite divorced of EGW see something in the
current Pope Francis.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1S73KD/
Conservatives want Catholic bishops to denounce pope as heretic
By Philip Pullella
May 1, 201912:16 PM EDTUpdated 5 years ago
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A group of 19 Catholic priests and academics have urged bishops to denounce Pope Francis as a heretic, in the latest ultra-conservative broadside against the pontiff over a range of topics from communion for the divorced to religious diversity.
The most prominent of the group is Father Aidan Nichols, a 70-year-old British priest of the Dominican order who has written many books and is one of most recognized theologians in the English-speaking world. The others are less well known.
"We take this measure as a last resort to respond to the accumulating harm caused by Pope Francis's words and actions over several years, which have given rise to one of the worst crises in the history of the Catholic Church," they said in a 20-page open letter.
The letter attacks Francis for allegedly softening the Church's stance on a range of subjects. They say he has not been outspoken enough against abortion and has been too welcoming to homosexuals and too accommodating to Protestants and Muslims.
It was published on Tuesday by LifeSiteNews, a conservative Catholic website that often is a platform for attacks on the pope. Last year, it ran a document by the Vatican's former ambassador to Washington, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, calling on the pope to resign.
A Vatican spokesman had no comment on the letter, which includes dozens of footnotes, Bible verses, pronouncements by previous popes, and a separate bibliography. The letter invites people to join an on-line signature drive.
Addressing the bishops, the letter says "We therefore request that your Lordships urgently address the situation of Pope Francis's public adherence to heresy."
It asks them to "publicly to admonish Pope Francis to abjure the heresies that he has professed".
Deciding whether a Church member is a heretic is the job of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog department.
Massimo Faggioli, a well-known professor of historical theology at Villanova University in the United States, said the letter was an example of the extreme polarisation in the Church.
"There is overwhelming support for Francis in the global Church on one side, and a tiny fringe of extremists trying to paint Francis as a pope who is heretic. The problem is that there is very little legitimate, constructive critique of Francis' pontificate and his theology," he said in an email.
A significant part of the letter concentrates on "Amoris Laetitia" (The Joy of Love), a 2016 papal document that is a cornerstone of Francis' attempt to make the 1.3 billion- member Church more inclusive and less condemning.
ULTRA CONSERVATIVES TAKE AIM
In it, Francis called for a Church that is less strict and more compassionate towards any "imperfect" members, such as those who divorced and later remarry in civil ceremonies.
Under Church law they cannot receive communion unless they abstain from sex with their new partner, because their first marriage is still valid in the eyes of the Church, unless they have received an annulment. The Church does not allow divorce.
Francis has opened the door to some exceptions, allowing the decision whether the person can be fully re-integrated and receive communion to be made by a priest or bishop jointly with the individual on a case-by-case basis.
After Amoris Laetitia was published, four conservative publicly challenged the pope, accusing him of sowing confusion on important moral issues. He has thus far not responded to their demands that he clear up their doubts.
The new letter lists pages of what it calls "Evidence for Pope Francis being guilty of the delict (crime) of heresy".
It attacks him for having once said that the intentions of Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, "were not mistaken". It says he has not condemned abortion strongly enough and is too lenient with homosexual Catholics.
The letter criticized Francis for signing a joint statement with Lutherans in 2016 in which the pope said Catholics were grateful for the "theological gifts" of the Reformation.
It attacked the pope for a common statement with a prominent Muslim leader in Abu Dhabi in February which said the pluralism and diversity of religions was "willed by God". Conservatives say the Roman Catholic Church is the only true one and that members are called to convert others to it.
The inscription on the papal tiara adds up to 666 in Hebrew letters.
Vicarius Filii Dei is a phrase first used in the forged medieval Donation of Constantine to refer to Saint Peter, who is regarded as the first Pope by the Catholic Church. Wikipedia
It is an intriguing fact that this can authorities currently claim it was never a title of the changeover was not made in ignorance of the November pope. Their problem is that this, the special title of the 15, 1914, admission for the 1941 denial uses an illus- pope for centuries, adds up to 666
Vicarius Filii Dei the Official Title of the Pope of Rome
Vicarius Filii Dei the Official Title of the Pope of Rome Vicarius Filii Dei means Vicar (or Vicegerant) of that Christ did not only give His Churchdocslib.org
This historical interpretation identifies the number 666 with the papal title VICARIUS FILII DEI-meaning VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD. This phrase has been used by popes for centuries to defend their ecclesiastical and temporal authority. The numeric value of the letters of this phrase do add up to 666, as shown in the slides.
The Mark and the Number of the Beast
www.norskbibelinstitutt.no
By holding to Sunday sacredness, Protestantism was still in bed with Catholicism, regardless of any church’s professed anti-Catholicism.
HMMMM The same could be said of baby baptisms too
Now I actually posted all of that about Jack Cottrell because you asked who he was seemingly in a way that sounded like because you did not know of him his ideas are worthless.
He had a life dedicated to every aspect of things that we talk about here, (Bible, Church, and God) and now you are aware of that.
BTW, I am not a devotee of his, but respect a lot of what he has said. There is one member here though who will tell you Jack is his favorite theologian.
Ok Rella,...so Cottrell is a person whose writings you rely on when it comes to "the bible and all things Christian".
If Cottrell writes something different than what Clement, Ignatius or Polycarp wrote, would you still rely on him?
Also, I read Cottrell's 4 part series on "Inerrancy" and there is A LOT of information in there. What particularly did you want or hope I would pick up on? He wrote that, "the task of deciding which (bible passages) are true and which are false now falls upon each one of us, individually."
Is that the key phrase/belief/teaching of Cottrell you wanted me to get out of that 4 part series?
Curious Mary
