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The will of the Father is that you trust and believe in his Son Jesus Christ for your salvation.
And what does "believing" the Son entail??

- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- We must suffer with Christ
(Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

If you don't DO thse things, then\- you DON'T believe in the Son - and you're NO better off tan the demons, who also "believe" (James 2:19).
 

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You cannot be a Christian and reject the "Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ". Christians are saved and justified by faith alone because we are saved and justified by Christ alone. You have to come to Christ as repentant sinner and call on him to save you, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
And that OONLY works if you recogniuze that faith is NOT just belief - but surrender and obedience.
That s the ONLY kind of faith that saves.

If you DON'T bekueve that - then you DON'T believe in the historical Christian faith . . .
 

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And what does "believing" the Son entail??

- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- We must suffer with Christ
(Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

If you don't DO thse things, then\- you DON'T believe in the Son - and you're NO better off tan the demons, who also "believe" (James 2:19).
No, we believe in his works, not our works. You are confusing believing with your works. You seem to believe that it is all about you and your religious works. It was Jesus that fulfilled the law. It was Jesus that atoned for the sins of the world. We trust in him and not in ourselves. I am afraid that you are going to be in the "Lord, Lord, didn't we group that went to hell" Matthew 7:21-23.
 

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No, we believe in his works, not our works. You are confusing believing with your works. You seem to believe that it is all about you and your religious works. It was Jesus that fulfilled the law. It was Jesus that atoned for the sins of the world. We trust in him and not in ourselves. I am afraid that you are going to be in the "Lord, Lord, didn't we group that went to hell" Matthew 7:21-23.
So do Catholics because we believe in what the Bible says:

Eph. 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast.

Now, read the next verse:
Eph. 2:8-10
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

We can’t boast about the works of faith because they’re not OUR works.
GOD prepared them for us to complete.

Matt. 7:21 applies to those who performed works for their OWN glory (Mark 12:41-44).
 

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So do Catholics because we believe in what the Bible says:

Eph. 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast.

Now, read the next verse:
Eph. 2:8-10
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

We can’t boast about the works of faith because they’re not OUR works.
GOD prepared them for us to complete.

Matt. 7:21 applies to those who performed works for their OWN glory (Mark 12:41-44).
I know what you believe. You believe that if you do enough good works that you will receive the gift of grace and it will be grace working in you that will make you pleasing to God. You still think it is about you and your works. You are going to be in for a disappointment in the judgment when you find out that it was not about you.
 
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I know what you believe. You believe that if you do enough good works that you will receive the gift of grace and it will be grace working in you that will make you pleasing to God. You still think it is about you and your works. You are going to be in for a disappointment in the judgment when you find out that it was not about you.
Who told you that LIE???

As usual, McCarthy (along with many other Calvinist anti-Catholics, and deranged Hislopites like Pate is unwilling or unable to understand the relationship of human free will to God’s grace. We believe we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to “merit.” Yet that very merit is itself completely an act of God’s grace. Here is some more relevant information to consider:

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.),, dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:

If anyone asserts that we can, by our natural powers, think as we ought, or choose any good pertaining to the salvation of eternal life . . . without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . . he is misled by a heretical spirit . . . [goes on to cite Jn 15:5, 2 Cor 3:5]
Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:

. . . Man . . . is not able, by his own free-will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight.
Canon I on Justification:

If anyone saith that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
The existence of a measure of human free will in order for man to cooperate with God’s grace does not reduce inevitably and necessarily to Semi-Pelagianism, as Luther, Calvin,, and present-day Calvinists and deranged Hislopites wrongly charge, The Catholic view is a third way. Our “meritorious actions” are always necessarily preceded and caused and crowned and bathed in God’s enabling grace. But this doesn’t wipe out our cooperation, which is not intrinsically meritorious in the sense that it derives from us and not God . . . Second Orange again:

The reward given for good works is not won by reason of actions which precede grace, but grace, which is unmerited, precedes actions in order that they may be accomplished meritoriously.
Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott describes the Catholic view:

As God’s grace is the presupposition and foundation of supernatural good works, by which man merits eternal life, so salutary works are, at the same time gifts of God and meritorious acts of man. (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1974 [orig. 1952], 264)
St. Augustine wrote:

What merit of man is there before grace by which he can achieve grace, as only grace works every one of our good merits in us, and as God, when He crowns our merits, crowns nothing else but His own gifts? (Ep. 194, 5, 19; in Ott, 265)
The Lord has made Himself a debtor, not by receiving, but by promising. Man cannot say to Him, “Give back what thou hast received” but only “Give what thou hast promised.”
(Enarr. in Ps 83, 16; in Ott, 267)
The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).

. . . . The Catholic Church was right in maintaining against Luther, at the Council of Trent, that heaven is merited by our good works, because this is the clear teaching of revelation. “We have shown that according to Holy Scripture the Christian can actually merit heaven for himself by his good works. But we must realize that these works have to be performed in the state of grace and with a good intention . . .

Jesus himself tells his disciples: ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me (by the state of grace), and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit (for heaven). If a man does not abide in me (by mortal sin) . . . he can do nothing’ – he can bear no fruit for heaven; just as the branch that is cut off from the vine cannot produce any grapes.

By sanctifying grace we are children of God. Only by sanctifying grace do we have a right to heaven as our heritage. By purely natural good acts, such as even the sinner can perform, heaven cannot be merited as a reward; we must be in the state of grace, a child of God. Only after human nature has been united to God by grace and raised up above it’s own nature can good acts, which proceed from this supernaturally elevated nature, be directed towards the possession of God in the hereafter. Only in this way can we merit the vision of God in heaven, since it completely surpasses the powers of our pure human nature.

By sanctifying grace we become living members of the mystical body of Christ, one with Christ our Head. Thus our acts become acts of Christ, who, in an incomprehensible way, is living and working in [p. 264] his members. Through this intimate union with Christ, our Mediator before the Father, we merit the happiness of heaven.

Finally, sanctifying grace makes us temples of the Holy Spirit, who compels us to good works (Rom 8:14). St. Francis de Sales writes that the Holy Spirit performs good works in us with such consummate skill that the works belong more to him than to us. He works with us and we work with him. In this activity we use our free will. By our free will we submit all our human activity to the grace and will of God. By this act of reverence and worship, our good acts redound to the glory of God. (not to the glory of the one doing good works) Our will could also take a stand against God’s will, and commit sin.

By isolating sentences (the classic and quintessential anti-Catholic methodology) which emphasize man’s cooperation and effort, it appears that Pate had hoped to leave a false impression that we believe we can get to heaven on our own power, pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps, without God’s enabling grace. But this is the heresy of Pelagianism, which Catholic dogma clearly condemns.

This is, therefore, apparently deliberate misrepresentation on Pate's part, and that is a serious sin — a violation of the Ten Commandments and even basic pagan and secular ethical precepts. Whatever Pate or other anti-Catholics think of our theology, their own Christian tradition (as well as Jesus Himself) condemn them for slander and lying, whether we are Christian “brothers” or not, in their thinking. As we indeed are their brothers in Christ, their sin is all the greater.


James 3:1 (RSV) Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
 
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Who told you that LIE???

As usual, McCarthy (along with many other Calvinist anti-Catholics, and deranged Hislopites like Pate is unwilling or unable to understand the relationship of human free will to God’s grace. We believe we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to “merit.” Yet that very merit is itself completely an act of God’s grace. Here is some more relevant information to consider:

The Second Council of Orange (529 A.D.),, dogmatically taught in its Canon 7:


Likewise, the ecumenical Council of Trent (1545-63): Chapter 5, Decree on Justification:


Canon I on Justification:



Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott describes the Catholic view:


St. Augustine wrote:


The concept of merit and its corollary reward is well-supported in Scripture (Mt 5:12; 19:17, 21, 29; 25:21; 25:34 ff.; Lk 6:38; Rom 2:6; 1 Cor 3:8; 9:17; Col 3:24; Heb 6:10; 10:35; 11:6; 2 Tim 4:8; Eph 6:8).

. . . . The Catholic Church was right in maintaining against Luther, at the Council of Trent, that heaven is merited by our good works, because this is the clear teaching of revelation. “We have shown that according to Holy Scripture the Christian can actually merit heaven for himself by his good works. But we must realize that these works have to be performed in the state of grace and with a good intention . . .

Jesus himself tells his disciples: ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me (by the state of grace), and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit (for heaven). If a man does not abide in me (by mortal sin) . . . he can do nothing’ – he can bear no fruit for heaven; just as the branch that is cut off from the vine cannot produce any grapes.

By sanctifying grace we are children of God. Only by sanctifying grace do we have a right to heaven as our heritage. By purely natural good acts, such as even the sinner can perform, heaven cannot be merited as a reward; we must be in the state of grace, a child of God. Only after human nature has been united to God by grace and raised up above it’s own nature can good acts, which proceed from this supernaturally elevated nature, be directed towards the possession of God in the hereafter. Only in this way can we merit the vision of God in heaven, since it completely surpasses the powers of our pure human nature.

By sanctifying grace we become living members of the mystical body of Christ, one with Christ our Head. Thus our acts become acts of Christ, who, in an incomprehensible way, is living and working in [p. 264] his members. Through this intimate union with Christ, our Mediator before the Father, we merit the happiness of heaven.

Finally, sanctifying grace makes us temples of the Holy Spirit, who compels us to good works (Rom 8:14). St. Francis de Sales writes that the Holy Spirit performs good works in us with such consummate skill that the works belong more to him than to us. He works with us and we work with him. In this activity we use our free will. By our free will we submit all our human activity to the grace and will of God. By this act of reverence and worship, our good acts redound to the glory of God. (not to the glory of the one doing good works) Our will could also take a stand against God’s will, and commit sin.

By isolating sentences (the classic and quintessential anti-Catholic methodology) which emphasize man’s cooperation and effort, it appears that Pate had hoped to leave a false impression that we believe we can get to heaven on our own power, pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps, without God’s enabling grace. But this is the heresy of Pelagianism, which Catholic dogma clearly condemns.

This is, therefore, apparently deliberate misrepresentation on Pate's part, and that is a serious sin — a violation of the Ten Commandments and even basic pagan and secular ethical precepts. Whatever Pate or other anti-Catholics think of our theology, their own Christian tradition (as well as Jesus Himself) condemn them for slander and lying, whether we are Christian “brothers” or not, in their thinking. As we indeed are their brothers in Christ, their sin is all the greater.
There is nothing in the Bible about "Sanctifying Grace". Catholics have perverted the word "Grace" to mean something that one can be indwelt with. What they really mean is that they can possess the virtues of Jesus Christ and be saved by becoming like Christ. The Bible teaches no such thing. This doctrine is known as a holiness doctrine. Paul never taught a holiness doctrine. Paul referred to himself as "The Chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.

Catholicism is not only anti-Gospel, it is also anti-Christ. Catholics do not believe most of what Paul wrote about Justification. Paul said, "But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:5.
This is one of the most hated scriptures by Catholics in the Bible because it refutes the Catholic doctrine. All that is necessary for our salvation is to believe in Jesus, John 3:16. Jesus is the one that saves us, not our good works.
 

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I could not agree more... except when those in the bible DO NOT read that the same as you do or even I.

You have been here long enough to have seen the debates.... not simply between Catholics and Protestants
but Protestants of the same or different denominations that do not agree as to what the meaning of is, is.

And it is not just here it is in every forum I have observed or participated in.

Not to bring up a sore spot but how many people do you know of any faith that simply sees the word until and will fight ad nauseum to say that until means the end.... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

And I always want to ask those believers in particular if they came onto this forum, or any, and tried to log in , and got the message that said But you cannot login to the forum until the completed maintenance. If those folks understood that the forum , as is, would not be back.

People do not understand what they read... and if they go to the commentaries, those are only the opinions of
a group or a single man telling why what they say makes sense.

Oy vey, View attachment 38355... so while I do agree with you that we all need to get our nosesView attachment 38356 who has the last word on what we read? King Jimmy's men and their translation that used Easter in place of Passover ?????

OK... off my rant.

Repeating you are right. But just dont get stuck on one only translation....
Geneva is good too , cept for all them footnotes . Have i read every newer version , no
but what i have read are twisting and or omitting some things .
The KJV is good . dont think i am accusing one that if they read niv or etc that damns them to hell .
I AINT saying that . BUT i am saying i would point them to a far better version .
I dont say just cause one was reading the niv that damns them to hell . though its not a good version ,
I know folks read other versions . BUT still i am gonna point them to the best version I KNOW . which is the KJV
and if one skips the footnotes , the Geneva too .
 
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Wanna bet??
Your Protestant doctrines were ALL invented by men in the 16th century and aftet.

Here's a short list - mu hypocritical friend . . .
- Sola Scriptura (Scripture ALONE)
- Sola Fide (Faith ALONE)
- Eternal Security
- Limitrd Atonrmrnt
- A Pre-Trib “Rapture”
- Imputed righteousness

- Altar Call

An yet - I've never seen you post OR interpret a SINGLE verse of Scripture . . .
Says the one who every time i brought scrips , twisted them . just like when you said
i never bring proof and yet i showed you a video of franics . YET EXCUSE upon excuse you made .
As far as the protestant realm . You and others know full well what i have said about many of them .
bad news too . This lamb dont sit under harlots or the HARLOT . BIBLE TIME . better get IN IT
and LEARN IT FOR YOU .
 
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The method of pasteurizing grape juice to halt the fermentation has been attributed to a British–American physician and dentist, Thomas Bramwell Welch (1825–1903) in 1869. Welch was an adherent to the Wesleyan Methodist Connexion which strongly opposed "manufacturing, buying, selling, or using intoxicating liquors" and advocated the use of unfermented grape juice instead of wine for administering 'communion', during the church service.[11]

1869, get it???
You papists are incredibly prone to strawman arguments. I never said "halt fermentation". I said they did their best to preserve the juice until such time as it was unfit to consume and discarded due to it turning into booze.

What part of "look not upon the wine when it is red, when it is turned, when it moveth itself aright" is so hard?

You're not even supposed to LOOK at booze, let alone drink it!
 

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Catholicism disqualifies itself the "remnant" church of Revelation 12.

Why?

While a "remnant" of a thing perfectly resembles that which was there in the beginning, catholicism admits to doing things totally different now than did the first century church, like not preaching the same Ten Commandments preached by Paul and everyone else in Scripture.
 

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Revelation 12:17 says no such thing.

17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.​

"The dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman (the church) and went to make war with the REMNANT of her seed (the last day church for which Jesus will return) which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

That ain't catholicism, because catholicism admits to doing things totally different now than God's true church did back then and still does to this day.

Read full chapter
Revelation 12:17 in all English translations

Your "remnant" started in 1863. Today's Seventh-day Adventist Church had its beginning in the mid-1800s, with William Miller (1782-1849), a farmer and Baptist preacher who lived in upstate New York.
Revelation 12:13-14 KJV:
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

When Jesus rose and ascended to heaven and out of Satan's reach, he turned his evil eye toward the church and began persecuting her for 1,260 years. This was fulfilled when the papacy took up the scepter in 538 and waged war against God's people until 1798, exactly 1,260 years, when it received a "deadly wound" from Napoleon.

Unfortunately, that "deadly wound" has since been healed and silly, ignorant "protestants" are falling all over themselves to defend the papacy, no matter how blasphemous her words and actions are, such as the recent declaration that the alphabet love people are AOK in the sight of God, and also their claim that Christ did not shed a single drop of blood to save us because that's the prerogative of the catholic priesthood "to pardon or not to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution" after which "the sentence of the priest precedes and God subscribes to it", etc.
 

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There is nothing in the Bible about "Sanctifying Grace". Catholics have perverted the word "Grace" to mean something that one can be indwelt with. What they really mean is that they can possess the virtues of Jesus Christ and be saved by becoming like Christ. The Bible teaches no such thing. This doctrine is known as a holiness doctrine. Paul never taught a holiness doctrine. Paul referred to himself as "The Chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.
There's nothing in the Bible about Sola Scriptura....Faith ALONE (except for ONE verse)...or "Once Saved Always Saved." Yet you and other act like it's ''biblical."

And yes, sanctifying grace IS in the Bible. Look it up for yourself.
Catholicism is not only anti-Gospel, it is also anti-Christ. Catholics do not believe most of what Paul wrote about Justification. Paul said, "But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:5.
This is one of the most hated scriptures by Catholics in the Bible because it refutes the Catholic doctrine. All that is necessary for our salvation is to believe in Jesus, John 3:16. Jesus is the one that saves us, not our good works.
Christ HIMSELF said that works are important. Again, look up the verses for yourself.
 

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You papists are incredibly prone to strawman arguments. I never said "halt fermentation". I said they did their best to preserve the juice until such time as it was unfit to consume and discarded due to it turning into booze.

What part of "look not upon the wine when it is red, when it is turned, when it moveth itself aright" is so hard?

You're not even supposed to LOOK at booze, let alone drink it!
How do you KNOW if it's booze just by looking at it? Is THAT your whole 'philosophy' of LIFE? That if something 'looks' a certain way, it MUST be the way *you* perceive it?

Forget about Faith Alone. You really DO HATE...

...based on 'LOOKS' Alone...:(
 
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I know what you believe. You believe that if you do enough good works that you will receive the gift of grace and it will be grace working in you that will make you pleasing to God. You still think it is about you and your works. You are going to be in for a disappointment in the judgment when you find out that it was not about you.
Another false accusatuoin by a guy who is totally clyelkess about what Catholics believe.

It's NOT about "how many" works we di - it's about obedience of faith (Rom. 1:5, 16:26, Gal. 5:6).
GOD Himlf prepared these works FOR us to comlete (Eph. 2:10).

Exactly, WHICH part of that don't you undersatand??
 
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Says the one who every time i brought scrips , twisted them .
You NEVER appeal to Scripture in your reponses. ALL you reply with are your OWN personal opinons.
I'M the one who responds YOU with Scriptural evidece . . .

just like when you said i never bring proof and yet i showed you a video of franics . YET EXCUSE upon excuse you made .
As far as the protestant realm . You and others know full well what i have said about many of them .
I openly challenged you to show me a SINGLE error by Pope Francis in that video - and you FAILED to respond.
bad news too . This lamb dont sit under harlots or the HARLOT . BIBLE TIME . better get IN IT and LEARN IT FOR YOU .
Coming from a guy who doesn't have a CLUE about the Scriptures.
If you did - you would prpvode Scriptural evidence for your arguments.

Buy you never give valid arguments. You either run or you just hurl anti-Catholic insults.
You are a
COWARD . . .
 
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Another false accusatuoin by a guy who is totally clyelkess about what Catholics believe.

It's NOT about "how many" works we di - it's about obedience of faith (Rom. 1:5, 16:26, Gal. 5:6).
GOD Himlf prepared these works FOR us to comlete (Eph. 2:10).

Exactly, WHICH part of that don't you undersatand??
But are you walking in "obedience of faith" in Christ?

JESUS says: "And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words."
Matthew 6:7
 
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But are you walking in "obedience of faith" in Christ?

JESUS says: "And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words."
Matthew 6:7
You are off topic and desperate, a common derailer tactic used when anti-Catholics get their lies exposed, but I will address your off topic abuse of Scripture anyway. ..

Jesus doesn't condemn repetition, He condemns VANITY. Abusing Scripture to attack authentic practices is as vain as one can get, but you don't get it, as you, Pate, and amigo are poisoned by the venom of Alexander Hislop, a proven liar even by Protestant basic precepts.

1 Thess. 5:17 – Paul commands us to pray constantly. Good repetition is different than vain repetition.

Rev. 4:8 – the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.” This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 – in this Psalm, the phrase “For His steadfast love endures forever” is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God’s divine Word.

Dan. 3:35-66 – the phrase “Bless the Lord” is similarly offered repeatedly, and mirrors Catholic litanies.

Fashioning weapons from Scripture at attack authentic practices is a form of witchcraft, IMO. You scourge my Lord's body with Scripture. You and your ilk will do it again because you guys are too vain to be corrected.
 
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