Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[Jack]

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You defend the hell-bound damned.

I have NEVER defended the Israel wannabee COWARDS!

 

[covenantee]

The Israel wannabee COWARDS cry 'we are Israel' but HIDE when Israel in the Land of the Bible needs help!

Israel has your help. What else could they possibly need?

 

[Jack]

Israel has your help. What else could they possibly need?

Israel doesn't need my help, they have Jesus the God of Israel's help!

Luke 1
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

 

[covenantee]

Israel doesn't need my help, they have Jesus the God of Israel's help!

Luke 1
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

Then why are you helping them?

 

[Jack]

Then why are you helping them?

I pray for Israel, the Land of the Bible, capital Jerusalem, don't you? Actually I hate to think what you pray for Israel, the Land of the Bible!!!

 

[covenantee]

I pray for Israel, the Land of the Bible, capital Jerusalem, don't you? Actually I hate to think what you pray for Israel, the Land of the Bible!!!

You just told us they don't need your help. Praying for them is helping them.

 

[Jack]

You just told us they don't need your help. Praying for them is helping them.

You asked why I'm helping them. Don't you read your posts? You ain't Israel. Nobody seems to know you. Israel is mentioned over 2500 times in the Bible. Are you jealous of Israel?

 

[covenantee]

You asked why I'm helping them. Don't you read your posts? You ain't Israel. Nobody seems to know you. Israel is mentioned over 2500 times in the Bible. I think you're FILLED with jealousy!

You're repeating yourself ad nauseam. Is your memory that bad?

 

[Jack]

You're repeating yourself ad nauseam. Is your memory that bad?

Well yeah, I'm trying to get Israel wannabees to answer questions. Nobody's heard of you.

 

[Timtofly]

How can they be natural branches until they are not? Jews who do not believe in Jesus remain natural branches.

A natural branch that is cut off, is dead. It is nothing, and can do nothing. Once the soul is sitting in sheol that branch status as natural is meaningless. It will not help that soul standing as dead before the GWT judgment.

That is why it is a metaphor. They may be a descendant of Jacob, but the metaphor is not literal. Once cut off from Christ one is in a state of death. Same thing would happen to a grafted in branch that was cut off. The point is to not be a cut off branch, period.

Here is hoping one day you may see the error in your view. A natural branch does not remain natural, it is dead. The only status next would be a grafted in status. It cannot be a natural branch any more. That is the point of being cut off.

 

[David in NJ]

Wrong as usual. You're not Israel!

Dear Jack,

The Israel of God is the LORD Jesus Christ and ALL who are in HIM.

The Jewish people along with Jerusalem/Israel here on earth are dead in trespasses and sins = they have rejected Salvation.

So we have TWO separate Israels = SPIRIT vs flesh = Romans chapters 9, 10, 11 detail this

I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”

That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;

but the children of the promise(Christ) are counted as the seed.
For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

 

[David in NJ]

So, Israel wannabees use the Talmud?

Israel of the flesh places their hope in flesh(Talmud) because they have rejected their only Hope of Salvation = Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiach

 

[Jack]

Dear Jack,

The Israel of God is the LORD Jesus Christ and ALL who are in HIM.
Jesus is Israel??? LOL!!! This gets more and more BIZARRE!

 

[Jack]

Israel of the flesh places their hope in flesh(Talmud) because they have rejected their only Hope of Salvation = Adonai Yeshua HaMoshiach

Guess where Jesus will return. It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Romans 9:8

• "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

Here God is answering the objection against the rejection of the Jews. In other words, if they are cast off by God, then what will become of the promise of God saying, I will be your God, and the God of your seed? And the answer is that the promise made to Abraham and Israel (as so clearly illustrated in Romans 9:4) are fulfilled. But NOT to the nation Israel, to a people Israel, the same remnant people who they were made to in the first place.

Scripture clearly showing what "in Isaac shall thy seed be called" means, when God spoke of those of Israel not being Israel. You chose to adulterate the picture concerning the two sons. If you can't comprehend God's allegory concerning that prophecy after I gave you the scriptures explaining it, then there is nothing I can do to give you understanding. I am a witness to the scripture, the Holy Spirit alone reveals truth. If you can't follow scripture that clearly says the free son represented the New Covenant with Israel, then what can I say? ..nothing.

But if you can follow reason and logic, then understand that Christ is Israel, we are the seed of Christ (Israel) making us children of God. That's why God says, "all Israel are not Israel," illustrating that only THOSE (Elect) in Christ are! Not national Israel.

Unless of course you don't believe that Christ is Israel either, even though scripture plainly says that too.

 

[David in NJ]

Guess where Jesus will return. It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible.

Of course He will = HE created everything ya know............it belongs to Jesus who is KING of kings and LORD of lords.

 

[David in NJ]

Please read the Gospel of John chapter 1 and the entire book of Romans and Galatians and Ephesians.

BEFORE you do = PRAY when you start, in the middle and when you finish.

 

[Timtofly]

Romans 9:6
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

@Timtofly says: "There is no Israel of the flesh"

Does your statement agree or disagree with the Holy Scriptures?

The verse does not say anything about the flesh, ie offspring. It is about Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael was of the flesh. Isaac was the offspring God would work through.

Ishmael was a seed of Abraham after the flesh. Isaac was a seed of Abraham after God's promise.

Did God promise to make Ishmael a great nation? Yes. But not the nation who would receive the Covenant of promise.

Isaac named his son Jacob. God named Isaac's son Israel. Which name is after the flesh, and which was after God

 

[Peterlag]

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

 

[Zao is life]

Israel doesn't need my help, they have Jesus the God of Israel's help!

Luke 1
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

The vast majority have been rejecting His help for nearly 2,000 years.

So they need your help, for what it's worth.