Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[Chadrho]

Palestinians are taught to hate from their first day in school. Why is it that Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia want no part of them? The gates are closed into Egypt .....If Palestine wanted peace, they would vote out Hamas and the other group beside them. I wonder how many innocent people have been killed y way of rocket paunches for years into Israel. Palestine invited this war ....now fight it using the sticks and stones they can carry ....

You will never be able to avoid the fact the push to create a homeland for Jewish people, which predated WWII, assumed it would be realized on land Palestinians had occupied for centuries. Like so many times that national powers entrenched in colonialism, e.g. Great Britain, decided to carve up territory and delegate who gets to live where, this also led to inevitable strife. The Palestinians have a right to that land that predates the modern state of Israel. At this point, there needs to be an act of relenting from both sides and a serious engagement for the sake of peaceful coexistence. They can't go back in time, but they can and should go forward with a sense of compassion, justice, and realism. That is not impossible, but it would take a different attitude from both sides. Unrelenting revenge only leads to more destruction. Your idea is just more slaughter, unsurprisingly.

 

[dad]

@dad

Your false narrative is exactly what Palestinians preach as their gospel of fake news, and utter lies.

I disagree

GAZA, was under the control of Israel....They had it....30 yrs ago.. and they GAVE IT AWAY, to the Arabs. (Palestinians).

"Here you go, its yours, we are all leaving".......and the Jews left. The JEWS LEFT, and the Arabs had it all... ALL of it.

Didn't restrict the sea access or bomb the airport or help keep them penned in etc?

What did the Palestinians do next?

A.) These Gaza Palestinians, elected HAMAS as their Government and started bombing Israel for the next 18+ yrs.

They betrayed the GifT, for "allah".

So having people lose their lands and be refugees in camps was a gift?

Thats what they did with their GAZA..... that Israel gave them....and all the Jews left their homes.......to these Palestinians.

I would too if I was there! I think the Gazans mostly would also if the could!

18 yrs later, they bomb Israel nearly every month......of every year. And, Israel still went back years ago and built these Arabs a wonderful underground sewage system.. Huge expense, Israel paid for... And what did these Palestinians do? They use them now as tunnels to take bombs in to Israel, or to try to kidnap Jews, who they then murder.

I suppose if they could they would lob a thousand bombs on apartments and heavily populated area is Israel as well. I don't like it in either case. I don't think one side is special with special rights to terrorism

And THEY, Hamas , are the reason.

The bombs from Israel have something to do with it also?

So, for all these Years, Israel would fight with them, AFTER Hamas sent in "more rockets": and Hamas would stop, and so would Israel.

But last Oct 7, '2023...1500 Hamas soldiers came into small Israeli towns, and murdered them in their beds. Raped children in front of their parent, and then burned the children, or beheaded them. and the parents also.
Grandparens, grandchildren.. they just slaughtered them, and enjoyed it, and filmed it.
These savage dogs, used wire to tie mothers and children together, then burned them alive, and filmed it on their I-Phones.

Which is worse to have your apartment bombed and be burned with maybe a lost arm and 3 lost kids, or the terror you cite? I think both are bad.

Some of these have been recovered and just yesterday, some Senators from the USA cam to Israel, OCT 22, and saw all this.. Saw the headless babies, saw the burned children.

That inspires you to want to do terrorism where mostly families are burned and blown up?

So, ..Reader..
Israel is going to exact Justice against these devils, and the news media is going to forget to remind you that Hamas is standing behind them, using them as BODY SHIELDS, when they BOTH DIE....... as that is how important the Palestinian people are to these Hamas devils.

Your answer is to blow them all up anyhow? Real Christian of you

We see all these Palestinian celebrationa, in many countries......they are jumping up and down and shouting and laughing.. so happy for the last 16 days and nights.

No excuse to mass murder them, sorry.

That is what you are seeing, in these "Mobs of Palestinians" on the streets of London, and Australia, and in the USA.

Be not deceived.
These "Hamas" and "Taliban" and "Isis" and "Hezbollah", will kill you, and all your family, and enjoy it.
A JEWISH Soldier, would try to protect you.
Like this one..
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That is what terrorists do. What is your excuse for wanting to also mass murder civilians?

 

[dad]

Actually I am putting you on ignore for now as you are not interested or following the scriptures as to what they say and the conversation here is fruitless.

They say Israel gets saved in the end. Not any time before. No wonder you flee

 

[BeyondET]

You will never be able to avoid the fact the push to create a homeland for Jewish people, which predated WWII, assumed it would be realized on land Palestinians had occupied for centuries. Like so many times that national powers entrenched in colonialism, e.g. Great Britain, decided to carve up territory and delegate who gets to live where, this also led to inevitable strife. The Palestinians have a right to that land that predates the modern state of Israel. At this point, there needs to be an act of relenting from both sides and a serious engagement for the sake of peaceful coexistence. They can't go back in time, but they can and should go forward with a sense of compassion, justice, and realism. That is not impossible, but it would take a different attitude from both sides. Unrelenting revenge only leads to more destruction. Your idea is just more slaughter, unsurprisingly.

Yasser Arafat the Palestine leader in 2000 was to blame why there isn't a Palestinian state. He couldn't come down off his high horse to except the concessions.

Hamas isn't about peace with Israel before that it was Fatah, the reason why talks about a state have always failed since 67. The deep hatred of Muslims towards Isrealites.

 

[Chadrho]

Yasser Arafat the Palestine leader in 2000 was to blame why there isn't a Palestinian state. He couldn't come down off his high horse to except the concessions.

Hamas isn't about peace with Israel before that it was Fatah, the reason why talks about a state have always failed since 67. The deep hatred of Muslims towards Isrealites.

There is deep hatred, and it works both ways. I think the massacre that started this speaks to that, and I think Israel's response, which is disproportionate regarding the death of innocents, speaks to that. Both sides need to take a step back and work toward solutions. If they don't, there will be so much more suffering and death until they finally decide to take a step back and look for solutions. It's the Hatfields and McCoys on a grand scale. Cycles of revenge never get better until they stop.

 

[Behold]

Didn't restrict the sea access or bomb the airport or help keep them penned in etc?

Its TURKEY that "Keeps them pinned".
Even right now, the neighbors of these hurting palestinians, wont let them come into their country for sanctuary.
Its the JEWS that are allowing AID to come in to the Palestinians, and Hamas just butchered 1400 Jew, about 2 weeks ago.
Israel is allowing aid in, vs, already going into Gaza to kill these terrorists.
Not too many other countries would be that Kind.....i

Are you Threading about that ?

Give it a shot, as then, you have some truth to share.

Also, the restriction was regarding what came into Gaza, as Iran and Russia, and China, more recently, sent in arms and rockets... to HAMAS, for nearly 20 yrs.
So, to protect itself from Hamas, as much as possible, Israel had to maintain control of "what goes into Gaza".

That is a result of Hamas being elected as the Government and then for the last 18 yrs, they have bombed Israel and murdered Jews, all the time.

You dont hear about this, but in Israel, its nearly every day or night.

So having people lose their lands and be refugees in camps was a gift?

They were never given that land by God.
All that land belongs to the Jew, so, that is another issue you dont understand, and are not going to... so, that is that.

And as i told you, Israel had to control what came into Gaze, as Hamas was always trying to get more hardware to try to blow up more Jews.

I suppose if they could they would lob a thousand bombs on apartments and heavily populated area is Israel as well. I don't like it in either case. I don't think one side is special with special rights to terrorism

You define Israel's retaliation as "terrorism"?

Listen carefully.. If someone bombs your house, and you run out into the street with a gun and you kill them......you are not a Terrorist.

So, neither is Israel.

The bombs from Israel have something to do with it also?

You mean the bombs that come from the Jets that strike into Gaza to try to stop the Hamas Rockets for the last 18 yrs.

Its going to get worse now, and once its over, there will be no more Hamas launching Rockets every month for the last 18 yrs, into Israel.

That's called "peace" and Israel would LOVE to have some, but "allah", they say, wants these Terrorist Groups to keep killing those Jews.

Which is worse to have your apartment bombed and be burned with maybe a lost arm and 3 lost kids, or the terror you cite? I think both are bad.

What is worse is that Israel gave all of Gaza to the Palestinians, and they turned on Israel with rockets and kidnapping for the last 18 yrs.

Israel paid the price in BLOOD< for trying to help them., and again, it was the Palestinian people who elected Hamas.

That inspires you to want to do terrorism where mostly families are burned and blown up?

I have not implied anything.
I said that when you come to Israel and murder babies and grandparents, by torture, you dont get to demand to have your "right"s.
You forfeited them, already.
Hamas , and the Taliban, and Hezbollah, and Isis, are a cancer on the body of the world, and you have to cut off a cancer or it spreads.

Your answer is to blow them all up anyhow? Real Christian of you

You are welcome to your opinion.
You are supporting the Hamas talking points, their lies, so, that's on you.
Its not on me.

No excuse to mass murder them, sorry.

No excuse to not realize that if you hide behind civilians, after you murdered 1500 people, you still dont get to live.
The JEWS do not use innocent people, to hid behind, in a battle.

If Hamas were real men, they'd fight soldiers, vs, killing women and childern
They dont fight like men.. they kill with rockets, then hide behind women.
That's "hamas" and the "taliban" and "Isis"..

That is what terrorists do. What is your excuse for wanting to also mass murder civilians?

what you said isn't connected to reality., again.

Here is the reality.

The IDA, the Israeli army is going to kill Hamas, who are terrorists,
if they dont, then Hamas will commit another OCT 7, just as soon as China and Russia and Iran, have them re-stocked with the means to do it.

 

[Behold]

Reader , one more for you.

This is OCT 23.

You are now hearing a lot of talk about..."talking to Hamas about the Hostages".

Here is the reality.
The Israel Army, if possible... (unless those Chinese warships that are coming dont start a war with the USA, first).... that Russia will join....

If that does not happen... too soon...

Then the Israeli army is going to go into Gaza for as long as it takes and destroy Hamas.

Meanwhile.....Hamas is going to use your MEDIA to try to "buy time"... by saying.>"we are trying to let the hostages go free, but Israel is blocking the progress"..

Here is why.

Hamas knows that if they let all the hostages go FREE, then Israel is still going to go into Gaza and kill them all.

So, do you think that Hamas is going to let them ALL GO, .. when they know that if that happened, they are all going to die anyway..

They are not going to let most of them go.. They will play with the Media, and let a few go , and then later, one more.. 2 more.... as this buys time for Irans and Russia, and China, to come into the situation.
This buys time for the News Media to turn on Israel and try to convince you that that "poor Hamas", didnt really mean to burn and behead those Jewish babies... "they didnt mean it"...

Just keep watching.
You'll see., and know that Netanyhu knows all about the "hostage game"., as i just explained.

 

[BeyondET]

There is deep hatred, and it works both ways. I think the massacre that started this speaks to that, and I think Israel's response, which is disproportionate regarding the death of innocents, speaks to that. Both sides need to take a step back and work toward solutions. If they don't, there will be so much more suffering and death until they finally decide to take a step back and look for solutions. It's the Hatfields and McCoys on a grand scale. Cycles of revenge never get better until they stop.

Hamas will not except a peace deal, terrorists don't make peace deals. When Hamas is wiped out then things will begin to change.

 

[Chadrho]

Hamas will not except a peace deal, terrorists don't make peace deals. When Hamas is wiped out then things will begin to change.

Hamas definitely needs to be disbanded. But the vitriol iand hatred of Hamas is backed by a significant number of other groups and states. How Israel goes about dismantling Hamas matters. It's the difference between dismantling Hamas, and starting a potentially world-wide conflict.

 

[BeyondET]

Hamas definitely needs to be disbanded. But the vitriol iand hatred of Hamas is backed by a significant number of other groups and states. How Israel goes about dismantling Hamas matters. It's the difference between dismantling Hamas, and starting a potentially world-wide conflict.

There's isn't a easy way to dismantle hamas nothing will work but by force.

 

[dad]

Its TURKEY that "Keeps them pinned".
Even right now, the neighbors of these hurting palestinians, wont let them come into their country for sanctuary.

Did they come from Turkey originally? Or were many of them from Israel and had their lands taken?

Its the JEWS that are allowing AID to come in to the Palestinians, and Hamas just butchered 1400 Jew, about 2 weeks ago.

I hope they inspect the trucks before letting them in! After much pressure a trickle of aid is allowed through. The tender mercies of the wicked

That is a result of Hamas being elected as the Government and then for the last 18 yrs, they have bombed Israel and murdered Jews, all the time.

Also a result of enslavement and poverty I suspect

They were never given that land by God.

Neither was modern Israel. He only gives it to them after they receive Jesus in the end.

All that land belongs to the Jew,

No. Sorry. Only when God gives it to them and restores them to it.

And as i told you, Israel had to control what came into Gaze, as Hamas was always trying to get more hardware to try to blow up more Jews.

Maybe the parties should all be kinder to each other?

You define Israel's retaliation as "terrorism"?

Yes.

Listen carefully.. If someone bombs your house, and you run out into the street with a gun and you kill them......you are not a Terrorist.

So, neither is Israel.

I agree. If you send 1000 bombs a day to the city they grew up in, that is another matter. So you listen here.

You mean the bombs that come from the Jets that strike into Gaza to try to stop the Hamas Rockets for the last 18 yrs.

No I mean the bombs that hit heavily populated areas including roads and apartments etc etc.

Its going to get worse now, and once its over, there will be no more Hamas launching Rockets every month for the last 18 yrs, into Israel.

What is this, prophesy hour?

That's called "peace" and Israel would LOVE to have some, but "allah", they say, wants these Terrorist Groups to keep killing those Jews.

There is no peace through terrorism

What is worse is that Israel gave all of Gaza to the Palestinians, and they turned on Israel with rockets and kidnapping for the last 18 yrs.

They gave? They owned all that territory? If so, bravo. Maybe they need a lot more as well.

Israel paid the price in BLOOD< for trying to help them., and again, it was the Palestinian people who elected Hamas.

Many years ago and the platform probably was not beheading babies.

I have not implied anything.
I said that when you come to Israel and murder babies and grandparents, by torture, you dont get to demand to have your "right"s.
You forfeited them, already.

The 'you' being the terrorists that did it. Not a nearby heavily populated area!

Hamas , and the Taliban, and Hezbollah, and Isis, are a cancer on the body of the world, and you have to cut off a cancer or it spreads.

Add them to the list of bad things in the world. No excuse to level apartments with people.

You are welcome to your opinion.
You are supporting the Hamas talking points, their lies, so, that's on you.
Its not on me.

If they share some of my points they are correct then. It is what they do not share that makes them terrorists.

No excuse to not realize that if you hide behind civilians, after you murdered 1500 people, you still dont get to live.
The JEWS do not use innocent people, to hid behind, in a battle.

The issue is not using civilians but blowing them up wholesale

If Hamas were real men, they'd fight soldiers, vs, killing women and childern
They dont fight like men.. they kill with rockets, then hide behind women.
That's "hamas" and the "taliban" and "Isis"..

Could we say the same for Israel in blowing up apartments with children in them?

Here is the reality.

The IDA, the Israeli army is going to kill Hamas, who are terrorists,

That is their hope.

if they dont, then Hamas will commit another OCT 7, just as soon as China and Russia and Iran, have them re-stocked with the means to do it.

The issue is killing babies and children here, not some puffed up bravado about killing terrorists.

 

[dad]

Reader , one more for you.

This is OCT 23.

You are now hearing a lot of talk about..."talking to Hamas about the Hostages".

Here is the reality.
The Israel Army, if possible... (unless those Chinese warships that are coming dont start a war with the USA, first).... that Russia will join....

If that does not happen... too soon...

Then the Israeli army is going to go into Gaza for as long as it takes and destroy Hamas.

Meanwhile.....Hamas is going to use your MEDIA to try to "buy time"... by saying.>"we are trying to let the hostages go free, but Israel is blocking the progress"..

Here is why.

Hamas knows that if they let all the hostages go FREE, then Israel is still going to go into Gaza and kill them all.

So, do you think that Hamas is going to let them ALL GO, .. when tbey know that if that happened, they are all going to die anyway..

They are not going to let most of them go.. They will play with the Media, and let a few go , and then later, one more.. 2 more.... as this buys time for Irans and Russia, and China, to come into the situation.
This buys time for the News Media to turn on Israel and try to convince you that that "poor Hamas", didnt really mean to burn and behead those Jewish babies... "they didnt mean it"...

Just keep watching.
You'll see., and know that Netanyhu knows all about the "hostage game"., as i just explained.

The issue is not whether Hamas terrorists meant it or are terrorists. They did and are. The issue is the terrorism of Israel.

 

[bluedragon]

You will never be able to avoid the fact the push to create a homeland for Jewish people, which predated WWII, assumed it would be realized on land Palestinians had occupied for centuries. Like so many times that national powers entrenched in colonialism, e.g. Great Britain, decided to carve up territory and delegate who gets to live where, this also led to inevitable strife. The Palestinians have a right to that land that predates the modern state of Israel. At this point, there needs to be an act of from both sides and a serious engagement for the sake of peaceful coexistence. They can't go back in time, but they can and should go forward with a sense of compassion, justice, and realism. That is not impossible, but it would take a different attitude from both sides. Unrelenting revenge only leads to more destruction. Your idea is just more slaughter, unsurprisingly.

Palestine didn't occupy that land for centuries .....get your history and facts straight then come back and try again.
There will be no peace as long as Hamas controls the Gaza .....This cabal of goat herders never had a government, never had a country. They are rejects from every country in the Middle East, quit appeasing the idiot and his clown show in the White House.

Hamas has told Israel ......"Your soldiers and citizens are not coming back." Hamas is playing Biden for the fool he is and always has been. While Hamas is facing an army determined to wipe them out ......their true leadership languishes in Qatar.....Your appeasement theory simply emboldens the Islamic Horde into believing the west will never be determined enough to end their reign of terror. Time to end the terror embedded in Gaza once and for all. Time to tell Iran ......we have enough planes off shore to destroy your entire Air Force and Navy .....Back down and shut up.

 

[bluedragon]

The issue is not whether Hamas terrorists meant it or are terrorists. They did and are. The issue is the terrorism of Israel.

Do you ever get out of your sandbox and actually read what took place? Or too indoctrinated by CNN to get on track? Once again .....If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down their weapons ..You anti Semites should join in the slaughter ......

 

[dad]

Do you ever get out of your sandbox and actually read what took place? Or too indoctrinated by CNN to get on track? Once again .....If Hamas puts down their weapons there will be peace. If Israel puts down their weapons ..You anti Semites should join in the slaughter ......

Regardless of what Hamas does or anyone else does blowing up apartments in heavily populated areas is not good. I don't use CNN either. Calling people that do not agree with the wholesale terror murder of thousands of children anti semites is hateful lies. Is that what Christians should be doing? If you must insult other posters, try finding a word that is somewhat applicable as well as not overused and dated.

 

[BeyondET]

Regardless of what Hamas does or anyone else does blowing up apartments in heavily populated areas is not good. I don't use CNN either. Calling people that do not agree with the wholesale terror murder of thousands of children anti semites is hateful lies. Is that what Christians should be doing? If you must insult other posters, try finding a word that is somewhat applicable as well as not overused and dated.

Those are the places hamas is operating from apartment buildings. Most of the people have left the once heavily populated area

 

[dad]

Those are the places hamas is operating from apartment buildings. Most of the people have left the once heavily populated area

If a rat is operating out an apartment building does that give an exterminator the right to blow up the apartment? If a bank robber is holding 34 people in a bank hostage does that we we just blow up the bank? If a most wanted fugitive escapes the US and is seen in Cuba does that mean Cuba must be nuked?

 

[Chadrho]

There's isn't a easy way to dismantle hamas nothing will work but by force.

Yes, force, but how much, against whom, and what is the end goal? It's not a simple decision, but the goal has to be solutions, not mere revenge. We are blessed in Christ if we follow the Christ-like propensity toward reconciliation and restoration. That is the way of the kingdom of Christ, and it makes practical sense. The Hatfield and McCoy scenario is exactly what Jesus was saying when he condemned the "eye-for-eye" ethic: turn the other cheek. Seek peace. The use of force can never exceed that which is required for peace. And peace requires measurements of justice between both sides.

 

[Chadrho]

Palestine didn't occupy that land for centuries .....get your history and facts straight then come back and try again.
There will be no peace as long as Hamas controls the Gaza .....This cabal of goat herders never had a government, never had a country. They are rejects from every country in the Middle East, quit appeasing the idiot and his clown show in the White House.

Hamas has told Israel ......"Your soldiers and citizens are not coming back." Hamas is playing Biden for the fool he is and always has been. While Hamas is facing an army determined to wipe them out ......their true leadership languishes in Qatar.....Your appeasement theory simply emboldens the Islamic Horde into believing the west will never be determined enough to end their reign of terror. Time to end the terror embedded in Gaza once and for all. Time to tell Iran ......we have enough planes off shore to destroy your entire Air Force and Navy .....Back down and shut up.

Are you okay? You seem to have feelings. I guess that's understandable, but allowing our passions free reign makes us weak and unthinking. You need to herd them cats in your mind.

You might not consider the people who were there prior to the modern state of Israel as legitimate because they weren't an established state or government, but they were a people with contiguity and history. Perhaps your framing is off. That's okay. We all have lenses that need adjusting, and Christ- like humility is a great aid to that. I'm sure you'll come around sooner or later. Try not to make it too hard on yourself.

 

[BeyondET]

If a rat is operating out an apartment building does that give an exterminator the right to blow up the apartment? If a bank robber is holding 34 people in a bank hostage does that we we just blow up the bank? If a most wanted fugitive escapes the US and is seen in Cuba does that mean Cuba must be nuked?

You sadly don't realize hamas doesn't want peace. If they have a command post in a apartment building blow it up. Isreal didn't bomb a fully occupied building. They were warned it was coming. Civilians got out