Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[dad]

Deuteronomy 4:40 "Keep his decrees and commands, which I am giving you today, so that it may go well with you and your children after you and that you may live long in the land the Lord your God gives you for all time."

He also took it away from them a few times. The next time He will give it to them is after they are saved.

What is the land that God promised to Israel? | GotQuestions.org

What is the land that God promised to Israel? What are the borders of the territory God gave to the Israelites as an inheritance?

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In Genesis 12:7, God promises Abram, who had just arrived in Canaan, “To your offspring I will give this land.” Later, in Genesis 15:18, God expands on that unconditional promise: “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates” (NASB). Then, in Genesis 17:8, God reiterates the promise to Abraham, adding that the land gift is irrevocable: “The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.” God later repeats the promise to Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 26:3–4) and Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:13), whose name God later changed to Israel.

Yes those promises will be kept. Running in there themselves in the modern time and grabbing some small portion of the promised land was not God giving it to them.

You have no footing upon which to judge straight shooters. Because you are not one. And have no understanding of what it means.

Overruled.

Hamas has stated,they will use rape and the slaughter of children as a war tactic.

Not this again, isn't it time you realize they are bad guys?

So,your defense of the evil of Hamas having to do with being occupied by Israel, is Leftist rhetoric.

Your repeated lying that I support any such evil thing is once again noted.

That you condemn Israel repeatedly, when Hamas initiated this conflict launching thousands of rockets that destroyed men,women,and children, and then blame Israel for fighting back, is pathetic.

The terrorism in Gaza is from Israel now. Preachers hold up Israel as being something of God and that should be prayed for supported etc.
This thread is about how that has turned out to be false. It is not about saying the other terrorists are good.

The , but what about the children, yarn you post is vacant of true moral outrage when you condemn Israel for fighting to insure Hamas does not slaughter their babies and rape their women, as Hamas has promised is their war strategy against Israel.

Israel is slaughtering the babies now, that is the issue here. There is nothing fake about not agreeing with that.

Hamas. But then again,you talk a lot about this war while claiming to know nothing of the history that has Israel and Palestine arrived to this juncture.

I know some basics.

You admittedly don't know what you're talking about. Yet,you condemn Israel and defend Hamas.

No one defended Hamas. You were told that many times, be honest for a change here. I do know that God loves the people and babies and children everywhere. So if I say it is bad to blow them up I know exactly what I am talking about.

You don't even know scripture as pertains to the Jews having a God given right to exist!

Who says they can't exist? Paul was Jewish, he existed. What God has not done yet is bring them back to the land of promise and protect them. That is still future.

Which you disagree with when condemning Israel fighting
back against terrorist aggression.

I do not call mass murder of innocent people fighting back against terror but I call it terror.

Not true. You're in a Christian forum amid Christians who read and know God's scriptures. You can't interpolate God's words, which yet again condemns Israel today,and think you are going to be believed.

That depends on whether there is anyone that knows what they are talking about here or not. Looking at your posts I begin to wonder.

Your effort is an example of you continuing your anti-Israel rhetoric.

Your labeling a desire not to mass murder children as anti Israel rhetoric stands exposed here.

And the God of Israel tells us,you shall answer for every word.

You will deserve that.

Chapter and verse? Your expressed desire to continue sacrificing children in the bloodbath in Gaza today is what you should be worrying about.

 

[dad]

Not according to your post history.


Anti-Israel, anti-Israel,
anti-Israel.

Wanting families protected is no such insane thing. Even if you chant it three times.

 

[dad]

Because those families are allies of Hamas. That's why they shelter them and hide their weapons.

Toddlers are allies of Hamas?

Pure, evil?

You just destroyed your entire argument.

Well done. Well done indeed.

God is guilty of a hate crime?

You really should read a Bible.

Blame it on God again eh? You forgot to post the verse that says unless you mass murder children, and starve and deprive them of water, it is a hate crime?

 

[Jack]

Even in a good way some of those times! :)

Yes indeed, that's where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel.

 

[Jack]

Toddlers are allies of Hamas?

Blame it on God again eh? You forgot to post the verse that says unless you mass murder children, and starve and deprive them of water, it is a hate crime?

Hamas bit off much more than they can chew!

 

[dad]

Yes indeed, that's where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel.

Once they get saved, yes. Right now it looks the other way round.

 

[dad]

Hamas bit off much more than they can chew!

I think it is time that the prison cities are looked at again. The whole thing is inhuman and cruel. Festering swamps of poverty and hopelessness. Let my people go! ( to paraphrase God) Or, to borrow a phrase from a former US president 'Tear down that wall'!

 

[Jack]

Once they get saved, yes. Right now it looks the other way round.

Totally evasive! Have you read the Bible?

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Jack]

I think it is time that the prison cities are looked at again. The whole thing is inhuman and cruel. Festering swamps of poverty and hopelessness. Let my people go! ( to paraphrase God) Or, to borrow a phrase from a former US president 'Tear down that wall'!

IOW, Israel should be destroyed. You sound like Hamas. Hamas are the ones responsible for the Gaza deaths!

 

[BarneyFife]

"All ye who enter here abandon all hope."

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[BlessedPeace]

Hamas bit off much more than they can chew!

Yes,they did.But why now?

IOW, Israel should be destroyed. You sound like Hamas. Hamas are the ones responsible for the Gaza deaths!

They're repeatedly employing the logical fallacy known as the appeal to emotion. It is an intellectually dishonest tactic in debate.

That's why they have a limited grasp of how to employ it. Their intent is to condemn Israel, yet they occasionally cite Jesus because this is a Christians forum.

 

[Jack]

Yes,they did.But why now?

They're repeatedly employing the logical fallacy known as the appeal to emotion. It is an intellectually dishonest tactic in debate.

That's why they have a limited grasp of how to employ it. Their intent is to condemn Israel, yet they occasionally cite Jesus because this is a Christians forum.

Don't forget, the world will turn against Israel, to their utter peril!

 

[marks]

I think it is time that the prison cities are looked at again. The whole thing is inhuman and cruel. Festering swamps of poverty and hopelessness. Let my people go! ( to paraphrase God) Or, to borrow a phrase from a former US president 'Tear down that wall'!

Removing Hamas will take then a big step closer to given the civilian residents of Gaza a chance for a more decent life. Hamas with utter inhumanity uses them as human shields, uncaring whether they live or die. They force them to remain in poverty, taking control of the huge amounts of money given to them, diverting for military use.

That these people are living there in the first place is that the Arab nations wanted them out of the way when they went to destroy Israel after it declared statehood. When the attempt failed, they had no home to go to, and none of the nations that told them to go there would take them in.

Since then, they've been imprisoned, yes, but not by Israel. The destroy and misuse every good thing given them. Remember the greenhouses. Destroy Hamas, and maybe some of these millions of dollars we're pouring into there may actually do them some good!

Much love!

 

[dad]

Totally evasive! Have you read the Bible?

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Yes I have and if you had you might realize WHEN that happens.

 

[dad]

Don't forget, the world will turn against Israel, to their utter peril!

In the last years the world will be killing believers in Jesus. Jews and others. That is what will bring them peril. Those who are kind to them, give then water etc will be rewarded. As for Israel the country, God will not be protecting them until they chose to accept Him.

 

[dad]

Removing Hamas will take then a big step closer to given the civilian residents of Gaza a chance for a more decent life. Hamas with utter inhumanity uses them as human shields, uncaring whether they live or die. They force them to remain in poverty, taking control of the huge amounts of money given to them, diverting for military use.

That these people are living there in the first place is that the Arab nations wanted them out of the way when they went to destroy Israel after it declared statehood. When the attempt failed, they had no home to go to, and none of the nations that told them to go there would take them in.

Since then, they've been imprisoned, yes, but not by Israel. The destroy and misuse every good thing given them. Remember the greenhouses. Destroy Hamas, and maybe some of these millions of dollars we're pouring into there may actually do them some good!

Much love!

Interesting. However I heard that Israel decides who goes or not. They also dish out work passes for some that can be taken away any time. They also bombed the airport and control the sea there. They monitor the fences. They do not allow people to visit relatives in places like the west bank I heard. So how do you say Israel does not keep them imprisoned?
I do not think pouring money in may be the right answer any more. Maybe open the prison! Let His people go!

 

[quietthinker]

Your question implies a lack of awareness of the fact that terrorists, by definition, are not a State that is capable of war.

When a terrorist organization initiates an act of war, a sovereign State has 2 basic options: treat it as the act of a common criminal or treat it as an act of war.

In the Clinton Administration, terrorism was treated as the act of common criminals. Bush altered this policy in response to 9/11. War is the appropriate response to an act of terror.

The answer to your question is yes. Israel’s response is war.



In life there are sometimes difficult choices. War is one of those times. The beginning is to kill or be killed, destroy or be destroyed.

If you think you can reason with Islamic terrorists, you are gravely mistaken.

The terrorists need to learn poking the bear may be fatally bad for them OR they will learn they may continue to poke the bear until it is dead. It is a matter of resolve for the civilized world.

Civilization only exists because of its willingness to use more violence than the barbarian.

Could Jesus reason with those who killed him? Should he have destroyed them because he could?
How are the two views reconciled.....or can they not be?

 

[Wrangler]

Could Jesus reason with those who killed him? Should he have destroyed them because he could?
How are the two views reconciled.....or can they not be?

Appeal to Diversion. Jesus could not have destroyed those who killed him because that was not the will of his God.

Facts is, Jesus was neither in law enforcement, military or politics. Apples and oranges. Is there anything in Scripture that suggest when Christ returns, he'll reason with those forces aligned against Israel or allow injustice to prevail? No.


11 I looked and saw heaven was open, and a white horse was there. Its rider was called Faithful and True ...

13 The rider wore a robe that was covered with[a] blood, and he was known as “The Word of God.” ...

15 From his mouth a sharp sword went out to attack the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod and will show the fierce anger of God All-Powerful ...

17 to all the birds flying in the sky, “Come and join in God's great feast! 18 You can eat the flesh of kings, rulers, leaders, horses, riders, free people, slaves, important people, and everyone else.”
Revelation 19 (CEV)

 

[quietthinker]

Appeal to Diversion. Jesus could not have destroyed those who killed him because that was not the will of his God.

Facts is, Jesus was neither in law enforcement, military or politics. Apples and oranges. Is there anything in Scripture that suggest when Christ returns, he'll reason with those forces aligned against Israel or allow injustice to prevail? No.


11 I looked and saw heaven was open, and a white horse was there. Its rider was called Faithful and True ...

13 The rider wore a robe that was covered with[a] blood, and he was known as “The Word of God.” ...

15 From his mouth a sharp sword went out to attack the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod and will show the fierce anger of God All-Powerful ...

17 to all the birds flying in the sky, “Come and join in God's great feast! 18 You can eat the flesh of kings, rulers, leaders, horses, riders, free people, slaves, important people, and everyone else.”
Revelation 19 (CEV)

The sharp sword, interestingly, from his mouth....what could that be?
Ruling with a rod of iron....hmmmm, and what would that be?

Interpreting with Man's paradigm, one concludes violence and force. Is that what Jesus demonstrated when he walked the Earth?......and what do we with, 'Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow' ?

....one more thing, prediction does equal causation.

 

[Lizbeth]

So would you say that is the Christian position also? Where is the end of that reasoning? If they destroyed all of Gaza and the west bank millions would be dead. How about if there is a few terrorists in New York that attacked New Jersey? Would it be right to nuke New York in response? The logic there seems to be let the innocent die with the guilty! Since there are hundreds of thousands of children and babies and women and old folks etc living in Gaza and the west bank, how would almost killing them all be a better thing than the terrorists killing such people?

Here is one take on the Christian position, and remember this is new testament:

Rom 13:1

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Of course we as believers are not to judge or wish suffering or death upon anyone, we are to show the love and mercy of Christ in the midst of suffering, however we must remember that God is sovereign over all and is ruling/judging in this world. Governments in this world have a right and duty to protect their citizens and country, and act in their own best interests when it is just to do so.