Why do so many of you insult fellow Christians that express a different understanding?

[Triumph1300]

Use?
I am a theologian I have a lot of them.

Oh, my goodness, I am so sorry. LOL.

 

[Grailhunter]

What you describe sounds more like the Islamic sect of Wahhabism and not the religion of Islam that the vast majority of the world's Muslims follow.

I have taken many courses in Islamic Studies from various sources over the past 30+ years from Christian, Islamic, and secular schools of thought. In fact, the very first course I took was while in the military and was provided by the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary.

I lived in Turkey for 11 months in the mid 80's and for the past 11 years I have been a missionary in Mindanao where I have lived in a primarily Muslim village in Davao City and my mission work takes me to the predominately Islamic communities and islands in the Sulu Archipelago where there's a known presence of Islamic extremists and terrorist activities. In fact, one of the places that I regularly travel to is the town of Maluso on the island of Basilan. Maluso is the hometown of the former emir of ISIS in southeast Asia and many of his relatives and supporters still live there today. The communities I work in are majority Muslim, some close to 100%, and I've been working in these communities without incident for years and have always felt welcome.

I have also witnessed acts of Islamic extremism and the suffering that it leaves in its wake first hand. I was present when Islamic extremists detonated a bomb at a night market in Davao City that killed 15 and wounded dozens more and for a time I owned a business in a local mall where a bomb went off inside the theater in 2013 that was located just 150 feet from our kiosk in the foodcourt. The villages we work in have also been the scene of many acts of violence by Islamic extremists over the years; most notably the Siege of Zamboanga in 2013 in which all of the villages of the people group we work with were razed and more than 150 of these people died from malnutrition and disease in the year that followed. I can say with confidence that those promoting these actions and those carrying them out do not represent true Islam or the vast majority of Muslims in the world.

I also know that most Muslims are honest, compassionate, and caring people just as most Christians are. And they, like the vast majority of people in this world regardless of their religion, just want to live quiet peaceful lives in harmony with their neighbors. I have served with Muslims in the past while in the Military, and Muslims keep me safe when I travel to places where terrorist flourish even today. I feel just as confident with a Muslim soldier by my side as I do a Christian soldier.

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You say...I also know that most Muslims are honest, compassionate, and caring people just as most Christians are.

I guess it amounts to your definition of honesty, compassionate, and caring people. Trickery is part of their culture...compassionate, as a religion it allows for polygamy and ownership of females. I guess they express their care for people by blowing innocent people up? Ever heard of Jihad?

You have Moslems that actual perform acts of terrorism. You have Moslems that financially support this. You have Moslems that support terrorism morally. You have Moslems that do not openly condemn terrorism. How many have you heard condemn terrorism.

Have you been to places like Iran, or Iraq, or Saudi Arabia....They are a dirty and nasty people. When we would enter one of these Moslem towns we had medical people that would test the air for how much feces was in the air. When you are fighting them, they will hold or force women and children to get into the line fire so they can hide behind them. They are a cowardly bunch.

In one of the worst fire fights I have ever been in they tacked a mother and her children to a wall with machine gun fire just to draw us out. They were successful and they died, all of them. Can you imagine seeing something like that, and the type of people that would do something like that? Type of People….it is part of their culture….They believe a man’s life is more important than women and children.

Are there good Muslims? Well people say there are good Mafia leaders and child molester are compassionate. Murders in prison that their moms will say they have a good heart.

Years ago I watched a documentary where a young man’s family was having a celebration about him blowing himself up to kill people in a market. He had dynamite strapped around his waist and his mother was so proud. What would it take for an American to do something like that?

I have dealt with them over seas and I have dealt with them in the states. I caught a Moslem hotel owner spit in face of one of the maids that cleaned rooms....that did not go well for him. Spiting in a woman face is a cultural thing for them. Women's rights in the Moslem religion....nope.

The issue is not just the people, it is the God that they believe in. It is the culture that that religion developed. It really has nothing positive to see or to say.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like the scripture regarding sin, righteousness and judgment?

Well the whole bible would be good.

 

[Triumph1300]

And if I was going to read the Bible out loud for a ceremony I might use the KJV because of its poetic verses.

I see.
So, when reading out loud you use the KJV, which according to you is seriously messed up.
Now, (for a theologian) that makes sense.

Someone told me once it takes a theologian to mess up the gospel.
Makes me wonder now if that is true. :)

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I think we fail in this manner, to take into account that not all English and non- English speaking ppl are saying different things but rather from their societies.

We all of different countries and cultures have slang ,word construct and definition, ect.ect. that get misunderstood in written communication, especially without the tone of what's being said.

 

[Gottservant]

Well the whole bible would be good.

Ok.

I read the whole Bible through, at about 2003 - you want me to go back to being like I was in 2003?

 

[Grailhunter]

I agree to this part to give NO place to evil, to workers of iniquity, to not entertain false doctrines and it's proponents, nor to condone sin.

However, I'm thinking @Gottservant is instead referring to the fact that we must give account of our actions and behaviour of spirit unto one another as to the law of love.


I could be wrong and am not above error or the correcting of my error.

We have to give account for all of our actions.
we must give account of our actions and behaviour of spirit unto one another as to the law of love.
Spirit of the law of love? Should we call evil...good? Is that the Spirit of love? Should we welcome evil in our midsts. remove the evil among you....I think that is something that Yahweh said. How tolerant of evil are we going to be before we draw the line and fight?

Maybe we should get rid of all the police and the military and accept the evil that will descend on us? What do you think? Do not resist evil? When a man breaks into your house...are you going to let him have a go at your wife?

The topic of pacifism is complex. But even Christ beat the money changers.

The question of sheep....Christian sheep...they will criticize the shepherd for killing the wolf. In real life, pacifism does not work, nothing can be sustained with pacifism. All of society would succumb to evil, and Christians would be enslaved.

As far as evil beliefs on this forum....all you can do is tell them they are wrong and show them why.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok.

I read the whole Bible through, at about 2003 - you want me to go back to being like I was in 2003?

I am going to recommend you be like a Christian.
Be good and do good.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

We have to give account for all of our actions.
we must give account of our actions and behaviour of spirit unto one another as to the law of love.
Spirit of the law of love? Should we call evil...good? Is that the Spirit of love? Should we welcome evil in our midsts. remove the evil among you....I think that is something that Yahweh said. How tolerant of evil are we going to be before we draw the line and fight?

Maybe we should get rid of all the police and the military and accept the evil that will descend on us? What do you think? Do not resist evil? When a man breaks into your house...are you going to let him have a go at your wife?

The topic of pacifism is complex. But even Christ beat the money changers.

The question of sheep....Christian sheep...they will criticize the shepherd for killing the wolf. In real life, pacifism does not work, nothing can be sustained with pacifism. All of society would succumb to evil, and Christians would be enslaved.

As far as evil beliefs on this forum....all you can do is tell them they are wrong and show them why.

You do not read completely in context what ppl say, therefore you get on your soapbox often without consideration !

What are the characteristics of sheep hmmm?
Mild mannered, follow the voice of THEIR SHEPHERD,,are dependant upon him for protection against evil and it's wolves. IRL, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are never leading ppl into wrong!

Jesus was a pacifist,
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

God will rewards those whom follow HIS WAY!

 

[Grailhunter]

You do not read completely in context what ppl say, therefore you get on your soapbox often without consideration !

What are the characteristics of sheep hmmm?
Mild mannered, follow the voice of THEIR SHEPHERD,,are dependant upon him for protection against evil and it's wolves. IRL, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are never leading ppl into wrong!

Jesus was a pacifist,
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

God will rewards those whom follow HIS WAY!

So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. John 2:15

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh, my goodness, I am so sorry. LOL.

Hey you asked. LOL

 

[JosephZ]

The topic of pacifism is complex. But even Christ beat the money changers.

So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. John 2:15

Please take the time to re-read the Sermon on the Mount found in Matthew 5-7. It should take around 15 minutes or so.

Now here are a few popular translations of John 2:15 concerning the incident at the market place you are referring to as it is recorded in John 2:13-16.

(He) found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. (KJV)

In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” (NIV)

He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” (NASB)

He found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: and he made a scourge of cords, and cast all out of the temple, both the sheep and the oxen; and he poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew their tables; and to them that sold the doves he said, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house a house of merchandise. (ASV)

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.” (ESV)

In the Temple area he saw merchants selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifices; he also saw dealers at tables exchanging foreign money. Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables. Then, going over to the people who sold doves, he told them, “Get these things out of here. Stop turning my Father’s house into a marketplace!” (NLT)

Here is the the Interlinear text for John 2:15 that can be found on BibleHub:



In reading these various translations, is there really any evidence that Jesus used a whip on people or that He ever intended to?

Based on the teachings of Jesus found in the Sermon on the Mount and those that can be found through out the remainder of the New Testament; does violently using a whip on people sound like something Jesus would do?

Which makes more sense? Jesus whipping people to drive people out of the temple, or Jesus using a whip in the same way a cattle or sheep herder would use it to herd animals out of the temple?

When reading John 2:16 we find Jesus telling those selling the doves to get out.

To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”

It seems He didn't use a whip on them.

This same story is told in Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15 and Luke 19:45, and there is no mention of a whip anywhere.

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.” (Matthew)

He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves; and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple. And He began to teach and say to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a robbers’ den.” (Mark)

Jesus entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling, saying to them, “It is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.” (Luke)

When you look at the big picture and put all of Jesus' teachings found in the New Testament into context with what took place at the temple, the most reasonable conclusion to come to would be that Jesus used the whip on the oxen and the sheep just like anyone else who dealt with large animals would do in those days, and those who owned them would follow them out.

It's also possible that no one followed the oxen and sheep out of the temple since the three other gospel accounts of this event say that Jesus talked to, or began to teach, the people selling in the temple. It doesn't seem like anyone would want to hang around to hear what Jesus had to say if He were beating them with a whip and chasing them out of the temple.

 

[Lambano]

Why do so many of you insult fellow Christians that express a different understanding?​

Well, you see, when we become Christians, God gives us a sense of knowing all Truth with a capital "T" and a license to act like a horse's ass.

What's that? You say God does NOT give us that?

 

[Grailhunter]

Please take the time to re-read the Sermon on the Mount found in Matthew 5-7. It should take around 15 minutes or so.

Now here are a few popular translations of John 2:15 concerning the incident at the market place you are referring to as it is recorded in John 2:13-16.

(He) found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. (KJV)

In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” (NIV)

He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” (NASB)

He found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: and he made a scourge of cords, and cast all out of the temple, both the sheep and the oxen; and he poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew their tables; and to them that sold the doves he said, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house a house of merchandise. (ASV)

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.” (ESV)

In the Temple area he saw merchants selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifices; he also saw dealers at tables exchanging foreign money. Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables. Then, going over to the people who sold doves, he told them, “Get these things out of here. Stop turning my Father’s house into a marketplace!” (NLT)

Here is the the Interlinear text for John 2:15 that can be found on BibleHub:

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In reading these various translations, is there really any evidence that Jesus used a whip on people or that He ever intended to?

Based on the teachings of Jesus found in the Sermon on the Mount and those that can be found through out the remainder of the New Testament; does violently using a whip on people sound like something Jesus would do?

Which makes more sense? Jesus whipping people to drive people out of the temple, or Jesus using a whip in the same way a cattle or sheep herder would use it to herd animals out of the temple?

When reading John 2:16 we find Jesus telling those selling the doves to get out.

To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”

It seems He didn't use a whip on them.

This same story is told in Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15 and Luke 19:45, and there is no mention of a whip anywhere.

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.” (Matthew)

He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves; and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple. And He began to teach and say to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a robbers’ den.” (Mark)

Jesus entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling, saying to them, “It is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.” (Luke)

When you look at the big picture and put all of Jesus' teachings found in the New Testament into context with what took place at the temple, the most reasonable conclusion to come to would be that Jesus used the whip on the oxen and the sheep just like anyone else who dealt with large animals would do in those days, and those who owned them would follow them out.

It's also possible that no one followed the oxen and sheep out of the temple since the three other gospel accounts of this event say that Jesus talked to, or began to teach, the people selling in the temple. It doesn't seem like anyone would want to hang around to hear what Jesus had to say if He were beating them with a whip and chasing them out of the temple.

Like I said, pacifism is a complex topic. But everything He did with the money changers was a violent thing. And Armageddon and when He judges people to Hell will be worse that that.

And also like I said, pacifism will not work in the real world. Pacifists would not survive....they have to live in a society that have people that are willing to fight their enemies. Police to address crime. All the while pretending to be more righteous. It is a form of cowardice. Self righteous sheep criticizing the shepherd for killing the wolf.

 

[Gottservant]

I am going to recommend you be like a Christian.
Be good and do good.

"Be perfect, just as your Father in Heaven is perfect"?

 

[Grailhunter]

"Be perfect, just as your Father in Heaven is perfect"?

Ya that is an interesting scripture....enigmatic

Like you have to hate your father and mother to be a disciple of Christ.

We are going to have to ask them about that when we get to heaven.

Be good and do good is the more realistic rule.

 

[Gottservant]

Ya that is an interesting scripture....enigmatic

Like you have to hate your father and mother to be a disciple of Christ.

We are going to have to ask them about that when we get to heaven.

Be good and do good is the more realistic rule.

Ok well, I am going to assume the rule I have is enough. That's right, isn't it?

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok well, I am going to assume the rule I have is enough. That's right, isn't it?

How would I know....don't know your rule.

 

[JosephZ]

You say...I also know that most Muslims are honest, compassionate, and caring people just as most Christians are.

I guess it amounts to your definition of honesty, compassionate, and caring people.

Here are some examples that would fit my definition:

'We protected Christians from al-Shabab'

Muslims raise nearly $100,000 for burned black churches

The Muslims building a Christian church in Pakistan

The imam who saved Christians from Muslim gunmen

Muslims 'Protecting Christians' from ISIS by Lending Them Hijabs in Besieged Philippines Town

Iraqi Muslim family kept sacred Christian books hidden from ISIS

Muslims protect Christians under attack from Isis as they flee Philippines

Thousands of Egyptian Muslims Serve as Human Shields to Protect Coptic Christians | parliamentofreligions.org

Muslims help to rebuild church in Philippines

Muslims, Copts rebuild church destroyed in sectarian clashes in Egypt

Muslims for human chain to protect Christians during Lahore mass

Muslims Volunteer to Work at Christian Soup Kitchen during Holidays so Families can be Together

Mosul’s Muslims rebuild church in solidarity with Christians

Muslims Protect Church in Basilan

Muslims in Jordan Protect Churches on Easter Sunday

Muslim doctors and nurses take over typhoon relief so Christians can spend Christmas with their families

I guess it amounts to your definition of honesty, compassionate, and caring people. Trickery is part of their culture...compassionate, as a religion it allows for polygamy and ownership of females. I guess they express their care for people by blowing innocent people up? Ever heard of Jihad?

Ever heard of Wahhabism? Because that sounds like what you are describing.

 

[JosephZ]

You have Moslems that actual perform acts of terrorism. You have Moslems that financially support this. You have Moslems that support terrorism morally. You have Moslems that do not openly condemn terrorism. How many have you heard condemn terrorism.

Here are quite a few examples of Muslims condemning groups like ISIS and other acts of Islamic related terrorism.

There are several found at this link. Islamic Statements Against Terrorism – Charles Kurzman

And some more below:

• Arab and Muslim leaders condemn ‘vile terrorist attack’ in Nice
• Muslim leaders: ‘We will not allow the extremists to define us’
• Muslim Americans rush to condemn Orlando massacre
• Atlanta Muslim leaders on Orlando shooter: ‘He’s not us; we’re not him’
• Muslims In NYC Remember The Lives Lost In Orlando
• USA Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Condemns the Senseless Night Club Shooting in Orlando
• ICNA FL joins community to denounce the Orlando killings
• Here’s Your List Of Muslim Leaders Around The World That Condemned The Massacre In Orlando
• Muslim leaders are condemning the Orlando mass shooting
• Orlando gay nightclub shooting: Muslim leader tells Isis ‘You do not speak for us. You are an aberration’
• Belgian Muslims condemn attacks, donate blood
• Tunisians formed human barricade to protect beach terror victims: reports
• Muslim Leaders Wage Theological Battle, Stoking ISIS’ Anger
• Fatwas, rulings and authoritative statements against terrorism in Islam
• 45 Examples of Muslim Outrage About Charlie Hebdo Attack That Fox News Missed
• How 70,000 Muslim Clerics Are Standing Up To Terrorism
• Muslim Americans denounce ISIS terror campaign; urge Americans to stand in solidarity and peace with them
• Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS: 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban
• How Muslim Groups, Scholars Have Been Fighting ISIS
• World’s Largest Islamic Organization Tells ISIS To Get Lost
• British Muslims are literally paying to condemn Isis. So everyone can stop going on about it now
• Thousands of Muslim clerics issue fatwa against evil Islamic State and other terror groups
• Muslims around the world condemn terrorism after the Paris attacks
• Muslims Around The World Condemn Paris Attacks Claimed By ISIS
• Arab states condemn ‘terrorist’ Paris attacks
• Iran’s Hassan Rouhani calls Paris attacks “crimes against humanity”
• Indonesian President Joko Widodo condemns Paris attacks
• Muslims Speak Out Against ISIS Following Paris Terror Attacks
• Muslims Around the World Speak Out Against Terrorist Attacks in Paris
• Muslim Council of Britain Launches Campaign to Highlight Muslim Condemnation of Terrorism Everywhere
• Paris terror: Muslim leaders around the world condemn ‘heinous’ attacks
• Muslims rally outside White House condemning ISIS, terrorism
• Dearborn rally protests ISIS
• Muslims Worldwide Denounce ISIS Terrorism
• Religious Scholars Use Social Media To Counter ISIS Interpretation Of Koran
• U.S. Muslims ask why their religion’s condemnation of violence often goes unheard
• Somali American fights militant Islamist recruiters in U.S. heartland
• Milwaukee’s Muslim Community Trying to Combat ISIS Influence
• #MuslimApologies Highlights The Absurdity Of Blaming An Entire Religion For Actions Of Few
• Open letter to IS leader al-Baghdadi from 100+ global Muslim scholars

I could have given many more examples, but the forum only allows 10,000 characters per post.

They are a dirty and nasty people. When we would enter one of these Moslem towns we had medical people that would test the air for how much feces was in the air.

Those tests were taken because of the numerous burn pits that were used by US and allied forces in the region, it had nothing to do with Muslims being "dirty and nasty people." In addition to trash; human waste (including feces), was burned in those pits. As someone who saw combat, you should have known this.

The issue is not just the people, it is the God that they believe in.

Muslims believe in the same God we do. See post #56.

Are there good Muslims?

Yes, the vast majority are, and you need to keep in mind when you are calling Muslims dirty, nasty people, and scum of the earth, that there are many of our fellow American soldiers and allies who are Muslim. And what about the Muslim medics, doctors, and nurses that treated and cared for our wounded during time of war and the Muslim doctors and nurses that continue to care for our veterans today? Do you consider them to be scum of the earth? If you want to slander 1/4th of the men and women on this planet for the actions of a few, that's your prerogative, but it's not being a good witness to the world. We as followers of Christ should show love, kindness, compassion, and forgiveness to all people, including Muslims.