I guess I'm of the view that we should be able to share our beliefs and understandings without insulting those whose theology differs slightly from our own. Pride, vanity, and ego.
Why do so many of you insult fellow Christians that express a different understanding?
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I guess I'm of the view that we should be able to share our beliefs and understandings without insulting those whose theology differs slightly from our own. Pride, vanity, and ego.
Grailhunter
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Allah is Satan! Worship him if you wish....you will have eternity in hell to do so.
The start of Islam is marked in the year 610 AD, following the first revelation to the prophet Muhammad at the age of 40.
They have no Bible of their own just a re-write.
There is only one name that can be called upon for salvation.
If you ever were in the military and made a trip over there you would know they are a dirty and nasty people that do their own sons. It is not a matter of molestation…it is their culture. And women are property. Low life scum of the earth!
The start of Islam is marked in the year 610 AD, following the first revelation to the prophet Muhammad at the age of 40.
They have no Bible of their own just a re-write.
There is only one name that can be called upon for salvation.
If you ever were in the military and made a trip over there you would know they are a dirty and nasty people that do their own sons. It is not a matter of molestation…it is their culture. And women are property. Low life scum of the earth!
Triumph1300
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Yup all fine and dandy in your eyes.
However......the Bible says there is only one way to the Father,
and that's through Jesus Christ.....
amigo de christo
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Wrong again . EVEN the jews had torah and could quoate the scrips .
But lets look at what JESUS told them .
YE look to the scriptures for in them Ye THINK you have eternal life . AND YET THEY SPEAK OF ME
AND YOU WONT COME TO ME that YOU MIGHT HAVE LIFE .
Or
how about this one .
Jesus told the UNBELIEVING JEWS , YOU DO NOT have the LOVE OF GOD IN YOU .
IF ye LOVED GOD you WOULD HAVE LOVED ME .
OR we got this too .
What did JESUS tell them about MOSES . HAD YOU BELIEVED MOSES you WOULD HAVE BELIEVED ME .
ANYONE can cliam to adhere to the teachings of MOSES , the prophets , torah and YET THEY DONT AT ALL .
And here is one more reminder .
The unbeliving jews told JESUS we have ONE FATHER GOD .
JESUS tells them YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL .
Sorry bud , but they are of satan , just like we all once were . That religion is false .
IF even the UNBELIEVING JEWS who claimed to hold to MOSES and the law , were TOLD YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL
BY JESUS
HE gonna say the same to the muslims too . Yall bought a lie my friend .
ITS TIME WE POINT them and any other who knows not CHRIST , TO JESUS CHRIST .
And not another jesus as paul would have told them .
THEY follow another jesus . THEY DO not recognize HIM AS THE CHRIST . THEY even say LOUD N PROUD
GOD HAS NO SON . THEY are in open rebellion against the VERY GOD they think they serve and know .
NUFF with this abraham accord stuff . PLUS the flesh profits nothing .
ONLY in ISSAC was the PROMISED SEED . So they can keep their hype about Ishamel . cause it wont save them .
The flesh could not save the jews , well the flesh cannot save the gentile either .
Preach CHRIST or prepare to hear i never knew you .
As contributors to this website, we should be temperate, understanding and inspired. Temperate because no one is completely free from being a fool; understanding because that is the only way we are going to love one another; inspired because the Holy Spirit brings inspiration.
amigo de christo
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yes sensual is the right word . I can read and know the difference .
And who on earth said anything about sex in the church . Aint what i mean about sensual love .
I am speaking of what the world THINKS is love . Grailhunter , your mind makes things way too complicated .
DID you sit under men that tried so hard to make the KJV SEEM complicated . I sure wish you had not done that .
But i do read what you write . I dont always respond . Yall complicate things way too much .
ScottA
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Sounds like you have a good perspective on it. Interestingly, "pride, vanity, and ego" are all human traits and not godly traits.
As for "different beliefs and understandings", it is important for us all to understand that "reproof", "correction", and "instruction" are not biblically against another, but for edification and are considered "profitable" and helpful "that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." It is apparent to me that most are more inclined to reject such things as even being without authority by Christ who ascended on high and gave gifts to men for that very purpose. Which, of course, is not to say that includes the assertions, private interpretations, or opinions of any person. Not at all. On the contrary, we are not to even speak of our own, but rather to allow the Holy Spirit to speak...which many make an occupation of violating. Unfortunately.
In fact, I was recently prompted by the Holy Spirit to offer help prefaced with love to my church and Pastor according to my gift which did not come under his own gift of the Spirit. But it was pride and ego that caused him, his wife, and an elder to reject the help, get ugly, and run me off. So...there is another side to all this...which is that some of it is not coming from pride, vanity, and ego minded Christians, but from the Holy Spirit according to the will of Christ for the church during these times. Unfortunately, there are more who do speak from their own pride, vanity, and ego than there are by the Holy Spirit, even causing the Spirit to be rejected who was sent to be a Helper...for the love of Christ.
Grailhunter
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What the world thinks is love?
Well we have romantic love....parental love....sibling love, brotherly love, which includes sisters in Christ.
Sensual love is only for romantic love....it does not involve the church.
All I have is what you write and what you write about love does not seem right.
Feel free to explain.....what do you think the world thinks is love?
I don't want to guess.
I am sorry but the KJV is seriously messed up....so different from the truth that you could start a different religion with it. Like I said every cult in the world swears by the KJV including some forms of Voodoo.....there is a reason for that. I gave you the information and that is my ministry to let Christians at least see the truth. The Johnny Appleseed of truth is what I do. The rest is between you and God, but you cannot say you have not been shown the truth.
Grailhunter
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“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. Matthew 12:34 That is from Christ's mouth and that was to the Jews....
Give evil no mercy, no tolerance, no quarter!
Temperance in the face of evil is a form of tolerance and it is sin.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. 2nd John 1:10-11
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord. Proverbs 17:15
I'm just going to turn the other cheek.
What stage of my faith do you want me to go back to?
Grailhunter
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Triumph1300
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Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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Use?
I am a theologian I have a lot of them.
What I recommend is the New American Standard Study Bible.
But that is not the only good Bible.
And nothing beats the actual texts that you can buy online….
Although the KJV is no good for study, I collect the old ones, the older the better. I have and am looking for more illustrated table top editions that are beautiful. I have one from the 1800’s.
And if I was going to read the Bible out loud for a ceremony I might use the KJV because of its poetic verses.
JosephZ
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What you're describing is not representative of the religion of Islam that the vast majority of the world's Muslims follow.
I have taken many courses in Islamic Studies from various sources over the past 30+ years from Christian, Islamic, and secular schools of thought. In fact, the very first course I took was while in the military and was provided by the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary.
I lived in Turkey for 11 months in the mid 80's and for the past 11 years I have been a missionary in Mindanao where I have lived in a primarily Muslim village in Davao City and my mission work takes me to the predominately Islamic communities and islands in the Sulu Archipelago where there's a known presence of Islamic extremists and terrorist activities. In fact, one of the places that I regularly travel to is the town of Maluso on the island of Basilan. Maluso is the hometown of the former emir of ISIS in southeast Asia, Isnilon Hapilon, and many of his relatives and supporters still live there today. The communities I work in are majority Muslim, some close to 100%, and I've been working in these communities without incident for years and have always felt welcome.
I have also witnessed acts of Islamic extremism and the suffering that it leaves in its wake first hand. I was present when Islamic extremists detonated a bomb at a night market in Davao City that killed 15 and wounded dozens more and for a time I owned a business in a local mall where a bomb went off inside the theater in 2013 that was located just 150 feet from our kiosk in the foodcourt. The villages we work in have also been the scene of many acts of violence by Islamic extremists over the years; most notably the Siege of Zamboanga in 2013 in which all of the villages of the people group we work with were razed and more than 150 of these people died from malnutrition and disease in the year that followed. I can say with confidence that those promoting these actions and those carrying them out do not represent true Islam or the vast majority of Muslims in the world.
I also know that most Muslims are honest, compassionate, and caring people just as most Christians are. And they, like the vast majority of people in this world regardless of their religion, just want to live quiet peaceful lives in harmony with their neighbors. I have served with Muslims in the past while in the Military, and Muslims keep me safe when I travel to places where terrorist flourish even today. I feel just as confident with a Muslim soldier by my side as I do a Christian soldier.
Sorry if this post came across as a rant to those who read it. I have many friends and neighbors who are followers of Islam and when someone calls Muslims dirty, nasty people and scum of the Earth, it really bothers me, because they are talking about people I care about.
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I agree to this part to give NO place to evil, to workers of iniquity, to not entertain false doctrines and it's proponents, nor to condone sin.
However, I'm thinking @Gottservant is instead referring to the fact that we must give account of our actions and behaviour of spirit unto one another as to the law of love.
I could be wrong and am not above error or the correcting of my error.
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