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Spiritual Israelite

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Ephesians 2:12 KJV
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Can you please not just post a passage of scripture without adding commentary regarding how you interpret it and what the reason is exactly that you posted it? Otherwise, I can only guess about that and I may guess wrong.

Are you suggesting that God does favor one nation over another even as it relates to salvation? Is that why you posted this? If so, how do you make sense of these passages:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
 

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Are you suggesting that God does favor one nation over another even as it relates to salvation?
Ephesians 2:12 KJV
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

No, I'm not suggesting anything. I'm quoting a Bible Verse that appears to me to address your question. So look at that verse, and see if it suggests to you whether there was a time when God did in fact favor one nation over others, in regards to salvation. I think the answer to your question is in that verse.

If you don't think so, OK, you have that right.

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The point I'm trying to present is that this passage means exactly what it says:
Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

And this one:

Isaiah 59:20-21 KJV
20) And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21) As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

And this one:

Ezekiel 39:25-29 KJV
25) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26) After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

And all these others I've been posting over and over. No symbols, no allegory, just, God will regather Israel to her promised land when Jesus comes. He will gather His chosen people back to their land, then gather and judge the Gentiles, exactly as He said.

Joel 3:1-2 KJV
1) For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Why is it that the New Testament scriptures do not line up with your understanding of these passages? There is no NT scripture that says anything about God regathering Israel to her promised land. In fact, there is NT scripture which tells us about how Abraham and other OT saints came to realize they should not be looking for a temporary earthly promised land, but rather a heavenly country and city whose builder and maker is God (Hebrews 11:8-16). Why would you not take that into account when interpreting the OT prophecies?

There is also no NT scripture that supports your belief that God will only judge Gentiles when Jesus comes again. There is scripture which teaches that a day (not multiple days) has been set when He will judge the world (Acts 17:30-31). I'm pretty sure the world includes Jews. That day is portrayed in passages like Matthew 25:31-46.

The NT defines God's chosen people as those who belong to Christ, which includes Jew and Gentile believers. These passages you're quoting should be understood in light of NT scripture, but instead you do not accept how the NT defines who will be gathered at the coming of Christ, who God's chosen people are, what Abraham and other OT saints were looking for, and who will be judged on the one judgment day that God has set.

Even though the blood of Christ brought Jew and Gentile believers together as one, your doctrine tries to keep them separate. The New Testament teachings about what will happen in the future simply do not agree with your understanding of what you think the Old Testament prophecies teach about what will happen in the future. That should be a major red flag for you.
 
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Why is it that the New Testament scriptures do not line up with your understanding of these passages? There is no NT scripture that says anything about God regathering Israel to her promised land.
Jesus prophesied it. And how many Scriptures do you need? Why do you think NT Scriptures deny that God will keep His promises?

Why do you think that God will NOT in fact regather Isreal to the promised land? I've posted so many passages that say He will. Why do you think He will not?

and other OT saints came to realize they should not be looking for a temporary earthly promised land,
Came to realize? Are you suggesting that the prophets prophesied, but then thought better of it?

God made a covenant with Israel at Mt. Horeb, and many many times prophesied to Israel that He would give them the blessings of this covenant, when He came to live among them. And He told them it would be that they would receive a new heart, and would keep all His statutes and precepts, and He described for them how it would be, as He ruled the world from the temple in Jerusalem.

We don't look for a city here for our refuge, our refuge is with God. Abraham wasn't trying to establish his Estate. And this time of Jesus' rule, where someone who dies at 100 years old is thought a mere child, will be replaced by an eternal kingdom, where no one will ever die, where that heavenly city we have our eye on will be here, and we will live with Him, and the nations, yes, the nations, shall live in His light.

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Ephesians 2:12 KJV
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

No, I'm not suggesting anything.
Yes, you are. Whatever you're suggesting is based on what is written in that verse. But, how can I know exactly what you think the verse is suggesting without you telling me? You may have noticed that we think very differently. So, I can't know for sure how you're interpreting that verse and why you are posting it without you telling me that.

I'm quoting a Bible Verse that appears to me to address your question.
How exactly? Why can't you just tell me?

So look at that verse, and see if it suggests to you whether there was a time when God did in fact favor one nation over others, in regards to salvation. I think the answer to your question is in that verse.
Why are you afraid to tell me yourself what you are concluding from that verse? In the passages we've looked at that say God is not a respecter of persons, such as Acts 10:34-35, they clearly indicate that He is not a respecter of persons in relation to salvation. Do you disagree? If so, please tell me exactly how you interpret Acts 10:34-35.

So, does Ephesians 2:12 contradict Acts 10:34-35? Of course not, right? One of the verses (Eph 2:12) is focused on how things were in Old Testament times and one is focused on how things are in New Testament times. So, was He a respecter of persons in OT times and no longer a respecter of persons in NT times? That would be one way to look at it that doesn't make one passage contradict the other, but it doesn't make sense to me that one of the character traits of God would ever change. Is that how you look at it? I don't know since you are reluctant to be specific about what you think that verse is saying and why you posted it.

Regardless of all that, it's clear that God is not a respecter of persons now, as evidenced by passages like Acts 10:34-35. If you disagree and think He is a respecter of persons now, then you need to show how that lines up with passages like these:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
 

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There is also no NT scripture that supports your belief that God will only judge Gentiles when Jesus comes again.
Joel 3:1-2 KJV
1) For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

And of course the Sheep/Goats judgment is a direct parallel passage to this one. First, the chosen are gathered, then the nations are gathered and judged.

"Bring again the captivity of . . ." is idiomatic for restoring them back to where they were taken captivity from, their homes, the promised land.

Much love!
 

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Yes, you are. Whatever you're suggesting is based on what is written in that verse.
Just go with what it says, that's why I'm not adding comment. No hope, means, not having hope, right? Strangers . . . without God?

And that because they were not part of Israel. This is just the plain wording of the verse, and I read it just like you are reading this sentence. Because language is language, and God is to be believed.

So I'm not making any suggestions or anything, only pointing to the wording of that verse. It says directly the point I was making, that God has made distinctions between the nations, and yes, even in terms of salvation. Does that mean God cannot or will not grant mercy to various individuals at times of His choosing? Of course not!

But you ask whether God makes ethnic or national distinctions concerning salvation, that verse sums it up.

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Jesus prophesied it.
No, He did not.

And how many Scriptures do you need?
Even one would be nice. But, there are none. But, if there was only one, you'd have to wonder why there's only one NT passage about that and (supposedly) several OT passages about it.

Why do you think NT Scriptures deny that God will keep His promises?
What kind of question is this??!! It's very insulting. I do not think that and I know no one else here does, either! I simply understand how He keeps His promises differently than you do because of what I read in passages like Galatians 3:16-29. I would never ask you why you deny that God will keep His promises.

Why do you think that God will NOT in fact regather Isreal to the promised land? I've posted so many passages that say He will. Why do you think He will not?
Are you reading everything I'm saying or not? You keep asking me questions that you already asked me that I've already answered or asking me questions about things that I've already addressed. I'm in agreement with Hebrews 11:8-16, which says that Abraham and other OT saints were once looking forward to that, but then realized that instead of looking to inherit the temporal earthly promised land they should instead be looking for an eternal heavenly country and heavenly city whose builder and maker is God.

Also, scripture talks about the church being gathered to meet Christ at His second coming, not Israel. I've already talked about this more than once and you're still asking me this question?

Came to realize? Are you suggesting that the prophets prophesied, but then thought better of it?
Goodness gracious sakes! You are like CadyandZoe with your habit of asking questions that people would never answer yes to. Why do you do that? Do you really think that I would answer yes to that question which would mean that I believe the prophets made mistakes that they later had to correct? That's crazy. I would never believe something like that. They were inspired by God when they prophesied. They didn't make any mistakes. Who I was referring to was Abraham and the other OT saints in Hebrews 11, which weren't just prophets.

What I'm saying is that Abraham and other OT saints at one point were looking for the promised land and thought that is what God was promising them and that's it. Right? But then they later came to realize that they should be looking for a heavenly country and a heavenly city whose builder and maker is God (see Hebrews 11:8-16). Do you understand what I'm saying now?

God made a covenant with Israel at Mt. Horeb, and many many times prophesied to Israel that He would give them the blessings of this covenant, when He came to live among them. And He told them it would be that they would receive a new heart, and would keep all His statutes and precepts, and He described for them how it would be, as He ruled the world from the temple in Jerusalem.

We don't look for a city here for our refuge, our refuge is with God. Abraham wasn't trying to establish his Estate. And this time of Jesus' rule, where someone who dies at 100 years old is thought a mere child, will be replaced by an eternal kingdom, where no one will ever die, where that heavenly city we have our eye on will be here, and we will live with Him, and the nations, yes, the nations, shall live in His light.
I believe you need to start spending as much time studying the New Testament as you do the Old Testament because it seems to me that your understanding of the New Testament is lacking. For example...

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Let me be clear by saying that I know what the Old Testament scriptures you're referencing seem to be saying on the surface. But, you need to dig further than the surface and you need to allow the New Testament scriptures to tell you how those OT scriptures were fulfilled, are being fulfilled or will be fulfilled, depending on the context of any given OT prophecy.

Now, regarding promises God made to Israel in relation to what He would give them, you need to take NT scripture like Ephesians 3:1-6 into account. Paul clarified there, that there were things in Old Testament times that were a mystery. One of those things was that "the Gentiles should be fellowheirs" with the Israelites of the inheritances that God promised to Israel. Do you agree with Paul that the Gentiles are fellowheirs? If so, then whatever you think the Israelites will inherit, the Gentiles should be "fellowheirs" of those things. That is what I believe because I don't want to contradict passages like Ephesians 3:1-6.
 

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Joel 3:1-2 KJV
1) For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

And of course the Sheep/Goats judgment is a direct parallel passage to this one. First, the chosen are gathered, then the nations are gathered and judged.

"Bring again the captivity of . . ." is idiomatic for restoring them back to where they were taken captivity from, their homes, the promised land.
Does Joel 3 end at verse 2? Tell me where in Joel 3 that it talks about people being judged at that point in relation to how they treated "the least of these"? Tell me where in Joel 3 that it talks about some people inheriting "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for them "from the foundation of the world"? Tell me in Joel 3 where it talks about people being cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". To be clear, I'm not asking where those exact words can be found in Joel 3, but where similar descriptions of those things can be found there.
 

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God made a covenant with Israel at Mt. Horeb, and many many times prophesied to Israel that He would give them the blessings of this covenant, when He came to live among them.
You've been shown repeatedly and unmistakably that Peter applied the descriptions and blessings in that covenant to the NT Church, in 1 Peter 2:5,9.

Israel is completely absent from his discourse.

God is not a racist.
 
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One thing is for sure here:
Amos 3:7: “Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.”
He reveals as the time nears it seems.

John 15:15
"No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you."

Revelation 10:7
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets."

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This thread sounds like justification for the Pre-trib theory and understanding.

This will not save us at all.
 

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The Church. I've described the grammatical connection between "ye" in 1 Peter 2:5 and 1 Peter 2:9. "Ye" is the Church.

But unsurprisingly, you still don't get it, and probably never will.
Ye is not the church.
 

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The Church is not the "Hebrew experience". It is the Christian Experience.

God is not a racist.
I didn't say the church was the Hebrew experience. Why is it so difficult for you to believe that the body of Christ has people from all over the world, each people having their own unique history? And why is it difficult for you to accept the fact that Peter, as the Apostle to the circumcised, would write a letter to the circumcised borrowing language and vocabulary from the Hebrew scriptures?
 

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This thread sounds like justification for the Pre-trib theory and understanding.

This will not save us at all.
The topic of discussion concerns the millennial kingdom. Will Jesus return to establish the kingdom of God on earth or will he destroy everything and start over? In my view, the Bible teaches that Jesus' "coming" will inaugurate the restoration of Israel for a thousand years. Jesus and the twelve apostles will rule over the world from Jerusalem.

This will involve at least two, if not three gatherings. Jesus gathers those "in Christ" to meet him in the air. Israelites who fear God, are called to gather in Jerusalem to pray for the deliverance of Israel. And the gathering of the people to meet with Jesus on Mt. Zion.
 

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The topic of discussion concerns the millennial kingdom. Will Jesus return to establish the kingdom of God on earth or will he destroy everything and start over? In my view, the Bible teaches that Jesus' "coming" will inaugurate the restoration of Israel for a thousand years. Jesus and the twelve apostles will rule over the world from Jerusalem.

This will involve at least two, if not three gatherings. Jesus gathers those "in Christ" to meet him in the air. Israelites who fear God, are called to gather in Jerusalem to pray for the deliverance of Israel. And the gathering of the people to meet with Jesus on Mt. Zion.

Well, then perhaps you can explain why, when God Gathers the Israelites to Himself, that He leaves them scattered throughout the whole earth so that they can actually be a Blessing to all the nations of the earth.

Ezekiel 34 tells us that God will plant the Israelites in the soil of Israel, i.e., Christ, and that He will teach them on the rock that comes down out of heaven and becomes the highest mountain in all of the earth. Metaphorically speaking, the mountain is the place when people go to worship their God(s), in other words a mountain metaphorically represents the religious bases of a particular people group.

Oh well, so be it.
 

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I completely disagree. Have you never read the following passage where Paul explains who were once not a people and became "one body" together in a spiritual house of God with Jesus Christ as the cornerstone?

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

This describes the Gentile believers as formerly not being the people of God "but now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ". They are joined together with Israelite believers in one body "by the blood of Christ". The Gentile believers became "fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone". Does that not remind you of the text in 1 Peter 2:5-7? How can you act as if what Peter said there has nothing to do with the church as a whole and only relates to Israelite believers when Paul described Gentile believers in the same way that Peter described the people he was writing to?
I take note of the fact that Paul is using different terminology than Peter. Paul is talking about the unification of all believers, both those who are near and those that are afar, "reconciling both of them to God through the cross." Peter refers to the Hebrew diaspora as "not a people" consistent with Hosea's prophetic word.

Consider,

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the sons of Israel will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered; And in the place where it is said to them, “You are not My people,” It will be said to them, “You are the sons of the living God.”

Take note of the transition here between "people" and "sons." In the place where it was said, "You are not my people" It will be said, "You are the sons of the living God." I pointed this out earlier in this thread. The New Testament favors this language, speaking about those "in Christ" as "sons", and "children."

At this point in Hebrew history, the Hebrews are divided up into two houses: The house of Israel and the House of Judah. The Lord God, through the prophet Hosea, declares that he will save the House of Judah, but he will destroy the house of Israel. (House = dynasty.) God isn't going to destroy the individuals who make up Israel. Rather, he disbanded the "house" of Israel, which was the presumed royal leadership. Her government was destroyed and her people were taken into exile.

Bear in mind, when a deity agrees to be a "god" for a particular people that deity agrees to protect the people from her enemies. In this case, whereas Yahweh formerly agreed to be "god" to the house of Israel, protecting them from enemies, he declared that he would no longer be "god" for them, and they would no longer be a "people" for him.

Paul is talking about individuals living abroad and in our idiom one might say, "These people living abroad were formerly not sons of God and for this reason, they were formerly 'not a people.'"

But this would be to misconstrue Hosea's prophetic word. The terms "people" and "not a people" are specific to a people descended from the patriarch Jacob, grandson of Abraham. After the Exodus, these people agreed to be "a people" for Yahweh. Later on, at the schism of Schechem, the people divided up into two houses: the House of Judah and the House of Israel. And the Lord is telling the house of Israel, "You are not my people."

In this context "people" does not refer to human beings in general. It refers to a particular ethnic group. The ethnic group assembled at Mt. Sinai agreed to be "a people" for God and he agreed. Later, as Hosea says, God declared that the northern ten tribes would no longer be "a people" for him. Peter addressed his letter to an ethnic group that was formerly once "a people" but subsequently became "not a people."

Paul is talking to Gentiles who came "near" by the blood of Christ, and Peter is talking about "Hebrews" who also came "near" by the blood of Christ.
I don't see you doing that.
I guess you missed it. Sorry about that. I thought sure I mentioned Peter's salutation where he specifically addresses the Diaspora.
It is, and I just showed that above. How could you not be familiar with Ephesians 2:11-22? It seems that you maybe have never read it. I don't know any other way you would say what you said here.
I claim that your argument fails because you assumed that one part of something has to be applied to all. While it is true that the body of Christ contains Hebrew believers, it is not true that all believers are Hebrews. Peter is speaking to a subset of believers, all Hebrews when he reminds them that they are a "chosen race", for instance. I think we can both agree that God does not save a person based on a person's ethnicity. What Peter says about the diaspora, as an ethnicity, he does not intend to say about the entire Body of Christ.
In terms of what Peter described in 1 Peter 2, everything he said applies to Gentile believers as well.
Agreed.
What is true about the ones Peter wrote to that is not true of Gentile Christians? That's what we're talking about.
Of course. The Hebrews are a chosen race. It doesn't follow, therefore, that the Body of Christ is limited to one race.
I'm not even saying that. I'm saying that everything Peter said in 1 Peter 2 can be applied to both Jew and Gentile believers.
Not everything. That's my point.

The entire house, which is the church, share Christian characteristics. That is what matters. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in the church which means that "Hebrew characteristics" and "Gentile characteristics" have nothing to do with being in the church.
Of course. But again, not everything Peter said about the Diaspora, applies to the church.
Your attempts at just dismissing what I was saying before make it difficult for me to believe you are being genuine here.
The way I see it, we are both presenting perspectives so that we can learn from each other. It is up to you whether the dialog is mutually beneficial.
 

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Why ask a ridiculous question like this? You know that he, as well as everyone else, would never attempt to make a dumb argument like that. So, why ask that question?
Don't get your panties in a twist. I am fully aware of the disconnect between what people "intend" to do and what they actually do.
This is how I expect someone to respond to my "ridiculous" question as you put it.

"Hey, the other person thinks that I am redefining what it means to be a nation. That is NOT what I am doing. Maybe something I am saying is leading other people to get the wrong idea. What am I saying that would lead another person to think that I am redefining the term "nation?"

All I can report is what concept the author seems to be conveyed to me. All I can do is ask, "Is this what you are saying?" Asking for clarification, isn't a ridiculous thing to do in my opinion.

In case you didn't know, a "nation" is not merely a collection of Individuals. To focus on the individuals is to miss the point entirely.
 
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CadyandZoe

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Well, then perhaps you can explain why, when God Gathers the Israelites to Himself, that He leaves them scattered throughout the whole earth so that they can actually be a Blessing to all the nations of the earth.

Ezekiel 34 tells us that God will plant the Israelites in the soil of Israel, i.e., Christ, and that He will teach them on the rock that comes down out of heaven and becomes the highest mountain in all of the earth. Metaphorically speaking, the mountain is the place when people go to worship their God(s), in other words a mountain metaphorically represents the religious bases of a particular people group.

Oh well, so be it.
The Gatherings are future events.
 

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Ye is not the church.
"Ye" is the Church.

Naught else.

God is not a racist.


1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.