How can any of you stand it

[Apache1]

Wow. That spoke to me also. To consider my complaints and look for the blessings.

Nah CadyndZoe is wrong, arrogant and should really be put through everything I was instead of judging others

 

[Cassandra]

How would medication help

It can't take away the memories or any possibility of God/whoever doing that again

It can elevate serotonin levels which can alleviate anxiety, panic disorder, obsessive compulsive suicidal thought. That type of medicin probably coupled with one that helps with the voices may make you next to brand new. I have seen amazing results with medicines.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is NOT a prison planet. Take a lesson from Eve.

Eve suffered from a false perception of her situation, just like you are doing.

She lived in a garden, where it was possible to eat all the food she wanted (and more) The garden was filled with fruit trees. She was never going hungry. She never labored for food. She had all the free time she could want.

Now, did she look around and say, "My, how God has blessed us!" No, she was laser-focused on one tree, asking herself, "Why does God deny me this one tree?" That's you.

@Apache1 that may sound harsh “that’s you.”
I can relate too.
But I really see this what @CadyandZoe shared with you in my mother. She is 92 now. She is starting to get dementia. At first it was her short term memory but now it has progressed to her long term memory. But in the midst of it all the memory’s of her rotten life growing up circulate around daily, the only things she focuses on. Those things she says… all the wrongs did unto her she will never forget. Even looking at me when she spits this out. To my mom she had the worst childhood than anyone living on this planet. Totally neglecting how some children have it. Her mother went to work which she said cut down on her childhood life, having to be at the restaurant more than at home. Her father didn’t encourage her but spoke to her as if she was a problem. She was the only girl having two brothers. My mother is ate up —consumed—with bitterness from what she didn’t have. She also lied to me for forty years about who my father was, my thinking my father was the same as my brother and sister…but it wasn’t I was born out of an affair. She is bitter to this day that I ever found out the truth. Saying it wasn’t fair to her. Nothing has been fair to my mom. She sobs often with this “I never had a family growing up. I never had stability.” Going over and over all the things done to her…three abusive marriages. Which is somebody’s else’s fault. Her saying her part was putting up with it and staying in it. Hailing herself for Going longer with these men than any other woman could or did. My brother died at 58. To mom it was his girlfriend at the time fault. To my mom it had nothing at all to do with his crappy childhood underneath a cruel step-father. Because my moms children had perfect childhoods, not like her childhood. My two sisters (one from another dad) we go and take care of her everyday, taking turns. I hear those things daily the bitterness and lack of any ownership in anything. I get it is too late to say to my mother anything because she gets upset if any focus is ever put on what she has done. Even if you suggest the men that abused her were not good father role models for her children. She will huff and say “how so? What was wrong with them? They were good men.” Then she will go into talking about how she was thrown through Sheetrock and how her spine is messed up because of the abuse. After “what, they were good men.” She refuses to see it. Full blown no responsibility on her part …but everything done to her, she is fully convinced she is “an innocent party” in it all. She sees no blessing. But I do. One is for a year before the truth came out about who my father was…I never saw it coming truly unsuspecting that I was born out of an affair and have two twin brothers, another brother, and a sister younger than me whom I had never met. I mean that was a shocker at forty to see my sister whom I didn’t know existed and to exclaim “oh Lord, we look exactly alike!” After forty years to see where I come from, the dad that gave me my nose! To see me, in them. The blessing though is before it came out for a year I had been going up in the woods by my house, finding out I have MS. I would cry and talk to God. Asking, begging Him, to show me who I am. I didn’t mean it literally. But God did literally at the end show me, after His preparing me…helping me see He is my Father and that He loves and accepts me…boom after forty years my oldest sister tells my husband “she knows he isn’t her real dad, right?” The timing could not have been more perfect. You may say…well your sister choose to tell you. Not God bringing out the truth right then. Why then? At that time. She had no idea of my prayers and at the time we were not that close but she was distant. She had buried and lived with the secret (beating herself up) since the day she caught mom being approached by the mans wife she had an affair with, asking mom to stop and stay away from her husband. My sister maybe twelve around that time. That secret had tormented my older sister. But when she finally “released it” as you said we should demand to be “released” from prison …my mom still growls about my sister releasing it. Saying she had no right to release the truth. and it was a secret Mom was going to take with her to her grave.

I’m sorry this is so long. But I’m trying to share with you that I’ve seen what bitterness and only looking for the curse in things does …burying any blessings. And to let you know I’m not just preaching at you but trying to share that I’ve experienced it too. That you aren’t being attacked as the only one. But which do you want to be…bitter all the time and sitting elderly still self-pitying as the victim which played no part in your own story?

Two things happened prior to my finding out about my mothers secret. One God truly had moved me to a place where finding it out wasn’t devastating in the sense of who my dad is. Remember when I said I had the question of “why does God hate women?” I had been reading the word to find the answer, assuming the word would clarify why God hated me so much for being a woman. The word did the opposite. helping me to see how He loved me. More than anyone ever could. The second is God helped me see that I am not that different than my mom, as I mentioned I have failures and have made huge mistakes (which should be unforgivable) that He is Greatly compassionate to offer a “New Beginning”. So I honestly don’t hate or judge my mother. She says the reason she didn’t want me to find out was because I am too weak and she didn’t want the truth to destroy me. That is not true. She is the one that was too weak to bear her own truth. I’m the escape goat. So God helped prior to set my heart in a right place to hear the news that was coming, that I wasn’t aware was coming. No one can tell me it was just a fluke of timing. Because I know I asked Him to show me who I am…and He did just that in two ways…literally, and also by and when i heard the truth “don’t think to highly and condemn your mother because I’ve shown you to have compassion on her ..as I have had compassion on your mistakes also.” Be quick to forgive. As God has been quick to forgive you. How can you say He is not compassionate? unless you don’t see there is anything He has been quick to forgive you for? If you would see …even now in cursing bitterness of shaking a fist at Him saying “I took care of the dog! I have no girlfriend! You unleashed satan on me!” It is all BS. Escape-goating (Imo) in no ownership of having any part. because if you had experienced His compassion, you would not be saying He has none(compassion)? Instead floored by how great His compassion is to forgive your disastrous train wreck.

There is a contradiction there (Imo) like my mother saying the men who abused her were perfect father role models for her children. It doesn’t fit. I remember an antagonist who sang old gospel hymns while tormenting. Strumming his guitar drink, then coming after us…the Hymns and guitar coming out meaning it was going to be a long night. A contradiction in God is not compassionate! I have innocently been condemned and satan unleashed led on me!

One more blessing. Today my mother has three daughters who are with her daily. My oldest sister whom mom growls at for telling me the truth…in my opinion goes above and beyond on tenderly caring for our mom. Seriously I have tears just witnesses how much love and care —how much effort—my sister puts into moms comfort. Any daily challenges she will go to bat to solve with a way to make it easier for mom. Every single day. my mother lives in the house her father built for her, she is surrounded daily by a family of daughters who see to her needs. All the while mom cries in bitterness about not being blessed but cursed her whole life. I’m telling you if I have what mom has in my old age…it will be a blessing. To be slowing down and approaching death and to not even be fully aware of how much you have to depend on those who take care of you to make my life more bearable…to have people, family care and to oversee your care when you are blind to what care you even need… it would be a blessing if I have that in old age. But my mom can not see an ounce of it… instead sitting talking about the past wrongs against her stuck in bitterness for what God didn’t or hasn’t given unto her! How he didn’t and hasn’t given her what she deserves.

Long ramblings I understand, you can read it or ignore it. I’m not attacking you but warning you …bitterness will surely eat you up alive. Consider this…even if God so gave you a woman as you blame him for not providing unto you… what would make a difference when all you see is bitterness? How long would she be able to remain by your side becoming an ear to how nothing has ever been fair to you? How invisible would she become as no blessing but another curse? I’m not trying to be ugly but maybe God is compassionate in not bringing a woman in to it; knowing it would not last until there is some thankfulness and appreciation.. for what is given instead of all the focus on what is not?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Nah CadyndZoe is wrong, arrogant and should really be put through everything I was instead of judging others

See…you put up with a barking dog. Yapping in your ear all day long? Is that correct? And it cost you love?

How is this elevated above God’s endurance of barking dogs (I mean complaining)all day long, yapping and complaining in His ear(it is not enough), costing Him Love(His Son crucified)?

You only had one dog barking. How much did you love the dog? You do know of the woman who crawled in under the table to grab a few scraps that fell from the masters table was considered a dog. She came in anyways…for the crumbs because God was going to give food to the dogs. When men wouldn’t…God was about to do what men wouldn’t do for those considered “the dogs” .

Why does God endure all the barking all day long, the biting, the striking, the Brutal dog bites and attacks? The tearing and ripping up of one another. Like beast out for blood? You consider yourself full of mercy and compassion for putting up with all day long….with one dog. Why do you consider yourself as long-suffering for your putting up with one dog, but consider Him as not long-suffering, compassionate or full of Mercy for His enduring more dogs barking than you could ever handle?

 

[Apache1]

I don't know. You tell me. I didn't decide to create a angel who I knew would rebel and cause billions of deaths

 

[Apache1]

In any case the issue is not the dog. The issue is that it is not acceptable to unleash Satan upon me for taking care of said dog. The solution is not walls of text from "Christians" like CadyandZoe blaming me for doing the right thing but healing and not having the days fly by so I can get stuff done properly

 

[VictoryinJesus]

In any case the issue is not the dog. The issue is that it is not acceptable to unleash Satan upon me for taking care of said dog. The solution is not walls of text from "Christians" like CadyandZoe blaming me for doing the right thing but healing and not having the days fly by so I can get stuff done properly

It sounded like the issue was the dog. You said the issue is satan being unleashed on you for taking care of the dog? You mentioned to another member then the torment of the fear of it happening again…is ever present. Is it like walking on egg-shells daily? In the book of Revelation satan is unleashed for a little season. Men may spit on you “be cursed. Let Satan be unleashed on him.” I don’t see that as why satan is unleashed for a little season. I get it may sound like nonsense but if God ever released satan on you like you say He did…it would be for your benefit and not against your benefit…to deliver you out from your torment of ever-present fear, that you be released from torment. If you would see the Divine Nature of God to help you out of torment and fear…then you wouldn’t fear His unleashing satan on you as a possibility of to torture you. You would come to see God helping you out from your prison and torture. Prison doors opening, which God wants for you. Believe it or not. Which prison you (believe it or not) built for yourself, entrapped in the mind. I’m saying this because I have a fear based personality. I’ve had dreams about being locked in a cage and tormented by my fears. My prison become reclusiveness to my home where I locked myself away afraid to come out from inside. “UnLovable” “no worth anything” “of no value” “a failure” “never able to fit in” “not having any skills for living life” death easier, which become panic attacks where I couldn’t even go in restaurants or stores to buy groceries. Always sitting in the car outside crying. Before speeding home without the ability to do even the simplest of daily chores.

I went to counseling asking them “who will open the door?” It took years to see who built the cage I was imprisoned in…it was me. If you think God unleashed satan on you to lock you up deeper within a prison leaving you with paralysis of it happening again. You have got the wrong god. As the one to blame. You are your own prison guard locker-upper…and God the one you consider as not compassionate wants to free you from yourself, crumbling under the weight of your own fear of walking out of your cage or prison. In that first encounter in the garden with Adam and Eve …where they hid themselves from a God who desired most of all Mercy…do you hear that? What God desired most was Mercy…they had did wrong…He desired to forgive them.

If you had a Father that desired most to be Merciful and you messed up. Would you be scared to death to go to this Father and tell him …I messed up.

 

[Apache1]

It sounded like the issue was the dog. You said the issue is satan being unleashed on you for taking care of the dog? You mentioned to another member then the torment of the fear of it happening again…is ever present. Is it like walking on egg-shells daily? In the book of Revelation satan is unleashed for a little season. Men may spit on you “be cursed. Let Satan be unleashed on him.” I don’t see that as why satan is unleashed for a little season. I get it may sound like nonsense but if God ever released satan on you like you say He did…it would be for your benefit and not against your benefit…to deliver you out from your torment of ever-present fear, that you be released from torment. If you would see the Divine Nature of God to help you out of torment and fear…then you wouldn’t fear His unleashing satan on you as a possibility of to torture you. You would come to see God helping you out from your prison and torture. Prison doors opening, which God wants for you. Believe it or not. Which prison you (believe it or not) built for yourself, entrapped in the mind. I’m saying this because I have a fear based personality. I’ve had dreams about being locked in a cage and tormented by my fears. My prison become reclusiveness to my home where I locked myself away afraid to come out from inside. “No Lovable” “no worth anything” “of no value” “a failure” “never able to fit in” “not having any skills for living life” which become panic attacks where I couldn’t even go in restaurants or stores to buy groceries. Always sitting in the car outside crying. Before speeding home without the ability to do even the simplest of daily chores.

I went to counseling asking them “who will open the door?” It took years to see who built the cage I was imprisoned in…it was me. If you think God unleashed satan on you to lock you up deeper within a prison leaving you with paralysis of it happening again. You have got the wrong god. As the one to blame. You are your own prison guard locker-upper…and God the one you consider as not compassionate wants to free you from yourself, crumbling under the weight of your own fear of walking out of your cage or prison. In that first encounter in the garden with Adams and Eve …where they hid themselves from a God who desired most of all Mercy…do you hear that? What God desired most was Mercy…they had did wrong…He desired to forgive them.

If you had a Father that desired most to be Merciful and you messed up. Would you be scared to death to go to this Father and tell him …I messed up.

Really? You think God wants to free me from myself by unleashing Satan upon me. Seriously?

I understand your desire to always try to free God from any blame and insist someone else must be responsible but really God is the one in charge and must take the responsibility. Or are you saying God can do whatever he wants with no repercussions for whatever reason. That sounds like the "God is a tyrant" argument to me

 

[CadyandZoe]

Truth is I think you are a terrible Christian

Many people would agree with you. I pray that Jesus has a different opinion. :)

 

[Apache1]

I think Jesus would refer you to the parable of the Good Samaritan. And no you are not the Good Samaritan

 

[CadyandZoe]

Nah CadyndZoe is wrong, arrogant and should really be put through everything I was instead of judging others

May the Lord richly bless you and keep you and lift you up.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Really? You think God wants to free me from myself by unleashing Satan upon me. Seriously?

The never ending debate…have you read Job? The question has been debated. Who released, unleashed, satan on job? God pointed job out yes? Have you noticed Job? Then satan asks to have Job. Much like Jesus told Peter satan had asked for Peter to sift him as wheat. Much like the crowd asked for one to be released. They didn’t want to release Christ but delivered him over to the darkness to be crucified. What I am saying is what was the outcome of job? We can look at the end of job where job was restored twice what was taken away from him. And think…well that is crappy like all his family is taken away, how does replacing people with double seem kind? To me it is showing replacing increasing in true riches that can’t be stolen or taken away. For instance do I want to be healed of MS or would more help be that I be healed in my mind of this mental sickness? Is God cruel for not healing the MS but allowing it, for the mind to be healed of mental sickness?

at the end of Job; the Lord is full of Mercy and of a humble heart. Personally I think men want to unleash satan on you meaning it for evil, to destroy you. Call me stupid but no I don’t think God means it for evil and that you die in fear of death, but for your good that you be delivered and released from death unto Life. What you said we should demand ..to be released.

 

[Augustin56]

The never ending debate…have you read Job? The question has been debated. Who released, unleashed, satan on job? God pointed job out yes? Have you noticed Job? Then satan asks to have Job. Much like Jesus told Peter satan had asked for Peter to sift him as wheat. Much like the crowd asked for one to be released. They didn’t want to release Christ but delivered him over to the darkness to be crucified. What I am saying is what was the outcome of job? We can look at the end of job where job was restored twice what was taken away from him. And think…well that is crappy like all his family is taken away, how does replacing people with double seem kind? To me it is showing replacing increasing in true riches that can’t be stolen or taken away. For instance do I want to be healed of MS or would more help be that I be healed in my mind of this mental sickness? Is God cruel for not healing the MS but allowing it, for the mind to be healed of mental sickness?

at the end of Job; the Lord is full of Mercy and of a humble heart. Personally I think men want to unleash satan on you meaning it for evil, to destroy you. Call me stupid but no I don’t think God means it for evil and that you die in fear of death, but for your good that you be delivered and released from death unto Life. What you said we should demand ..to be released.

Satan didn't ask to sift Peter as wheat, but all of them. Luke 22:31-32 says,

31 “Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat,
32 but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”

Then He tells Peter that he has prayed specifically for Peter's faith, that it may not fail, and once he has turned back, he (Peter) must strengthen his brothers. Jesus knows that Satan divides, and divides, and divides (sifts). In fact the very word diabolic comes from the Greek words dia baline which means to split asunder, render apart, disunify, etc. Anytime you see this sort of dividind and disunity, you can rest assured that the diabolic (Satan) is working.

Satan and his demons can do absolutely nothing to us without God's express permission each and every time. So, one might ask, why would God allow us to be tempted or attacked? Simple. In order for us to grow in virtue. Without temptation, there is no virtue. God wants us to grow in our spiritual life and become virtuous.

 

[Apache1]

The never ending debate…have you read Job? The question has been debated. Who released, unleashed, satan on job? God pointed job out yes? Have you noticed Job? Then satan asks to have Job. Much like Jesus told Peter satan had asked for Peter to sift him as wheat. Much like the crowd asked for one to be released. They didn’t want to release Christ but delivered him over to the darkness to be crucified. What I am saying is what was the outcome of job? We can look at the end of job where job was restored twice what was taken away from him. And think…well that is crappy like all his family is taken away, how does replacing people with double seem kind? To me it is showing replacing increasing in true riches that can’t be stolen or taken away. For instance do I want to be healed of MS or would more help be that I be healed in my mind of this mental sickness? Is God cruel for not healing the MS but allowing it, for the mind to be healed of mental sickness?

at the end of Job; the Lord is full of Mercy and of a humble heart. Personally I think men want to unleash satan on you meaning it for evil, to destroy you. Call me stupid but no I don’t think God means it for evil and that you die in fear of death, but for your good that you be delivered and released from death unto Life. What you said we should demand ..to be released.

I really am not interested in what happened to Job. And even if I was, it is still unjust to unleash Satan upon him as well. Stop putting Satan ahead of us and let us out. And I had a perfectly fine life before Satan was unleashed upon me. Now I have to deal with quitting the increased smoking said unleashing caused, anxiety and trying to make a living when the days fly by. At some point you have to stop living in denial and be like Moses in calling God out rather than always blindly defending him no matter what

 

[Apache1]

Anyway I really am tired of my life. So pretty please with sugar on top either give me the opportunity to discover new experiences or take my soul and do whatever you want with it God. Since supernatural death threats do not "release someone from death to life" but only kill their spirit stone dead

 

[Apache1]

May the Lord richly bless you and keep you and lift you up.

Nice try but your true self was on display earlier.

In any case I was doing perfectly fine before he messed my life up with the supernatural death threats etc.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I really am not interested in what happened to Job. And even if I was, it is still unjust to unleash Satan upon him as well. Stop putting Satan ahead of us and let us out. And I had a perfectly fine life before Satan was unleashed upon me. Now I have to deal with quitting the increased smoking said unleashing caused, anxiety and trying to make a living when the days fly by. At some point you have to stop living in denial and be like Moses in calling God out rather than always blindly defending him no matter what

Ok. Then if I understood you correctly and if you are right…then I need to think as you and stop defending God as compassionate or Loving. I need to wake up and call it like it is…unfair. I need to be afraid of satan being unleashed on me as he was unleashed on you, and then afraid always it will happen again. And then both of us can be paralyzed by fear of satan being unleashed again. Is that what you want for me. To agree with you and stop making excuses for God as compassionate? To get a clue in my denial? Why not just stay in my prison crying then until God does what you demand of Him. If you are right, both of us are doomed anyways to live in fear of when satan will be unleashed again.

 

[Apache1]

Ok. Then if I understood you correctly and if you are right…then I need to think as you and stop defending God as compassionate or Loving. I need to wake up and call it like it is…unfair. I need to be afraid of satan being unleashed on me as he was unleashed on you, and then afraid always it will happen again. And then both of us can be paralyzed by fear of satan being unleashed again. Is that what you want for me. To agree with you and stop making excuses for God as compassionate? To get a clue in my denial? Why not just stay in my prison crying then until God does what you demand of Him. If you are right, both of us are doomed anyways to live in fear of when satan will be unleashed again.

If I attack you and you are left in fear of me attacking you again, who is to blame? Me or you? And how would you react if people started defending me

 

[Augustin56]

I really am not interested in what happened to Job. And even if I was, it is still unjust to unleash Satan upon him as well. Stop putting Satan ahead of us and let us out. And I had a perfectly fine life before Satan was unleashed upon me. Now I have to deal with quitting the increased smoking said unleashing caused, anxiety and trying to make a living when the days fly by. At some point you have to stop living in denial and be like Moses in calling God out rather than always blindly defending him no matter what

Apache1, you sound very much like you think that you are, in some way, equals with God. That God should be judged according to your personal human standards, and that God certainly doesn't know more than you do.

I would offer for your consideration that we are closer in intellect to an amoeba than we are to God. And God doesn't live from moment to moment like we do. He sees the past, present, and future in one glance. He knows what is best for us, even if we don't.

There was a man once, who had a beautiful young German shepherd dog. He loved his dog and the dog loved him. But, every so often, the man would take the dog to the vet for a checkup and immunization shots. And the dog absolutely hated the shots! In fact, as soon as the man drove up to the vet's office, the dog would start trembling! But the man still took him, held him while the vet administered the shots and the dog would look at him like, "But I thought you loved me?!" The man understood the dog's look and thought, momentarily, that maybe he should try to sit the dog down and explain all of the biological and medical reasons why the immunization shots were for the dog's own good. But then he realized that the dog had absolutely no capacity to understand the explanation! So, he just hugged him.

We are somewhat like the German shepherd and God is our owner. We cannot understand, this side of heaven, why God does what He does and allows what He allows. But rest assured, once we die and enter heaven, we will fully understand, and it will all make sense! We will realize that everything that happened to us, regardless of what we thought of it then, was the best thing that could have happened to us to get us to heaven!

 

[Apache1]

This old argument again that makes absolutely no sense and I am sick of it

Maybe God should put you through months of undeserved unacceptable supernatural death threats

Now kindly refrain from judging me