Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[David in NJ]

Yes you’re view of Gods word

Well, my view may or may not be correct.

My view does not change what God has spoken.

For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;

Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. 7In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.

“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

 

[Davy]

So you don’t think that we overcome satan by the blood of the Lamb? Huh I have.

I'd like to hear you say that if you're still alive when the coming false-Messiah appears in Jerusalem at the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' return. Have you never read Mark 13 about those who are to be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ at the end?

The Rev.12:7-17 Scripture about those who overcome by the Blood of The Lamb is about that future TESTIMONY for Christ by The Holy Spirit, and is related to the 5th Seal "fellowservants" for the end...

Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV

Rev 12:11
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
KJV

That is obviously not... about the idea of spiritually being buried with Christ by His death and resurrection through our Faith. That above is about physical death during the future time of "great tribulation" that Jesus forewarned us about. So I wish you'd learn to take God's Word more seriously.

 

[Marty fox]

Well, my view may or may not be correct.

My view does not change what God has spoken.

For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;

Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. 7In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.

“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

Did you see what you just posted?

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Yes the ones who are considered worthy are the sons of God.

Jesus said that they are the sons of God not that they will be the sons of God.

Don't you get it? Jesus has already made us worthy.

 

[Timtofly]

Well you have that mythical interpretation that Adam was created and a group of other humans which is not borne out by the Scriptures at all.

We do not know which day god crfeated all teh three classes of spirit beings, but that when the foundations of the earth were laid, they sang for Joy!
Now you are directly contradicting Scripture to create your own pseudo-bible!

No, there is no mythical interpretation. There were only stars created on the 4th Day, the angels, because that is their name, stars. Angel or messenger is what they do. Human theology is messed up that it is now backwards. They are no longer necessary, even if they appeared in the first century as humans. The church took over the role as messengers of God. We have the completed Word of God.

The sons of God including Adam were created on the 6th day. It was Adam and Eve who changed, not the sons of God. Even those sons of God who had offspring with Adam's dead corruptible flesh were not sinners, unless they did something that was disobedient. The problem was those born from the union of sinful flesh with those still in God's image with a spirit that was still in communication with God. Were the offspring now without sin, or were they now born in Adam's dead corruptible flesh? That is the point. It is not that the sons of God rebelled, and it certainly was not angels.

The issue is that every offspring and every subsequent generation of those offspring grew more and more comfortable in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and they could no longer have communication spirit to spirt with God. It could even have been Noah's older sisters, as Noah was born when his dad was 182 years old. Certainly Lamech could have had many daughters before his first son Noah was born. Even his oldest could have had children and grandchildren, and even great grandchildren in 182 years. Scripture states that Adam's dead corruptible flesh was multiplying on the earth. Well so were the hundreds of other sons of God multiplying and filling the earth. Now after hundreds of years you have a mixture of generations where Adam's dead corruptible flesh is now procreating with several generations of the sons of God. But there were way more sons of God, and even generations, because Seth was born a hundred years after Adam disobeyed God. Seth had his first son another hundred years later. So that was 200 years of time and only two generations in Adam's family of male offspring. Obviously the sons of God already had a history of great men in their past. That is where you refuse to see that not every one on earth became wicked ungodly sinners. Just those who married into Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and only the offspring and for 500 years while Noah was growing up, it got worse and worse, and Noah grew closer and closer to God, like Enoch did. Even Enoch was no longer on the earth at that point. Why would there not be sons of God that walked with God and could leave earth as well? We see they appeared in some sort of council with God in heaven quite regularly. Even long after the Flood, so they all did not die. We don't know their history but what is there in Genesis 6, but they were not angels.

Angels never had human offspring of renown. The angels that rebelled were immediately chained in darkness, meaning they still had the form as stars, so the darkness prevented their light from shining even in the pit. They did not turn themselves into humans, as only God does that when he wanted a message delivered to sinful humans in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

There is no third being ever created. There are stars and sons of God as God declared in Job. The stars are now called angels,and the sons of God on earth are now only of Adam's dead corruptible flesh through Noah and his three sons. Any of the females on the ark could have been from other sons of God other than Adam and Eve. If Noah was righteous marrying a son of God would make sense. It would not make his offspring sinless. But even if he did not marry a son of God, any of his sons could have, as they did genetically have giants in their genealogy eventually. Being a son of God is not gender specific. Unless in heaven genders are changed back to the way Adam was before Eve was taken out of Adam. Paul said he heard stuff on that visit to Paradise that cannot be uttered on earth.

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"

Does not give us a single clue about genders in Paradise.

So you can call this speculation. But calling them angels is speculation as well. You claim the term son of God changed. But the term star did not, so why do you think you have a solid case on your assumption the term son of God changed? Adam was a son of God, but he disobeyed, and physically died. That is why his offspring are not sons of God. But Adam had no effect on changing the other sons of God. The change came from each new generation between Adam's dead corruptible flesh and the physical aspect of being a son of God.

Surely the premill view uses Greek mythological terms when it comes to the future by claiming mortals and immortals are on the earth at the same time. How is that not any different than calling them Adam's dead corruptible flesh and sons of God? They both are the same thing. At least those are the biblical descriptions and terms, not the Greek mythological terms you all use. They are not angels in the future, they were not angels in Genesis 6. The reason we are even called mortals, meaning death, is because Adam disobeyed God. God did not create mortals. God created sons of God on the 6th day. Mortality happened because that is what God said would happen when Adam disobeyed God. And there won't be any mortals or Adam's dead corruptible flesh in the Millennium, only sons of God. And yes many generations, 20 to 30 in a thousand years. Since God gave us the first day of the Lord in Genesis 2 prior to planting the Garden, God will also give us the second Day of the Lord just like the first one. So in Genesis 2 we see the generations of the sons of God, even before Genesis 6.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

The Day of the Lord was mentioned here first. Even the heavens had multiple generations, periods of time, they shined down their light as stars. After the Day of the Lord, seems like the same point of letting Satan decieve a third of the stars, and go to work on Eve eventually. So Satan is allowed at the end of the upcoming Lord's Day to decieve those on earth. And they don't even get to have a battle nor sex, but are consumed by fire. So why do you all think those angels got "free time" when they listened to Satan, and walked off the job?

 

[Marty fox]

I'd like to hear you say that if you're still alive when the coming false-Messiah appears in Jerusalem at the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' return. Have you never read Mark 13 about those who are to be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ at the end?

The Rev.12:7-17 Scripture about those who overcome by the Blood of The Lamb is about that future TESTIMONY for Christ by The Holy Spirit, and is related to the 5th Seal "fellowservants" for the end...

Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV

Rev 12:11
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
KJV

That is obviously not... about the idea of spiritually being buried with Christ by His death and resurrection through our Faith. That above is about physical death during the future time of "great tribulation" that Jesus forewarned us about. So I wish you'd learn to take God's Word more seriously.

Yes I read about some of them in the book of Acts

My point is
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.

Jesus has brought salvation already and has the power and authority now

 

[Timtofly]

Wrong again! The tolodeths. are the prior passages.

and as far as when writing occurred IN the Pseudepigrapha (other Jewish sacred writings) there is the book of Enoch, teh book of Noah and teh book of the Wars of the Lord which all predate Moses. So you are simply wrong.

There is nothing written in Jewish mythology prior to Moses. Unless you have a reputable source. None of those other books were even written before Daniel. The book of Job may be the oldest, but certainly not before Moses.

Look it up, because no one after Joshua even left stones with engravings as that was forbidden, and that is how Mesopotamians left their works. The tribe of Levi started to use scrolls of animal skins, and that was the foundation of the scribes. The scribes were to faithfully copy the exact writings of Moses and hand them down from generation to generation word for word, so no error could creep in. That is how God's Word was preserved. All those other books were human imaginations. And you don't even accept what I post. Which is only thoughts from Scripture, yet you will accept human garbage pretending to be God's Word, and you don't even accept Moses received the necessary truth and facts directly from God?

I am not even claiming to write words directly from God, but I do write thoughts from Scripture. There is no evidence in Scripture nor extra biblical that people wrote about life prior to the Flood, nor that Noah himself wrote any thing down. In fact there could have been oral stories, but oral stories are not reliable. Even if put to music. Languages and mouth to mouth stories can change too easily. Oral stories are still around today via native Americans. Although they may be all gone by now. And even those don't say much about pre-flood life. They would not even have started until the ten tribes were scattered across the earth. Many of them headed east and more than likely where most of the oral stories started. The tribes were all separated, and the scribes that remained were associated with Judah and Benjamin and returned from the Babylonian captivity. We see how they ended up by the time Jesus was born.

The simple truth is that the scribes between Daniel and Jesus introduced a lot of human theology into the mix and called it Scripture. Yet God preserved the writings of Moses and that is still called the Pentateuch


"the first five books of the Hebrew Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). Traditionally ascribed to Moses, it is now held by scholars to be a compilation from texts of the 9th to 5th centuries BC."

You can even see that humans today don't even think Moses wrote them. But clearly nothing prior to Moses. They don't date anything prior to 900 years before Christ, so even after David was King. How can you claim stuff from before Moses when even Moses is thought to be mythological in the 1500 to 1300 year range?

It is hard to even prove that Moses called for scribes or Joshua. We know that Moses indicated that these books be written down and read to the people as a group regularly so they would not forget them. In order to read something it has to be in written form.

"And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel. And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law. There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them."

"And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto all the elders of Israel. And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, When all Israel is come to appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it."

So the Jews accept Moses wrote these 5 books. Each generation was to also write and read these 5 books so they would be preserved and Israel would have no excuse to know they came directly to Moses from God on mount Sinai.

 

[Timtofly]

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

Why do you keep ignoring these verses:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this"

"Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."

Jude is comparing those in his day to several OT references of people like those in the first century.

"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

Still comparing first century apostasy with OT references.

"These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."

Once more comparing first century corruption with OT references. He even mentions those stars again.

"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit."

Now Jude is saying there will be people like this all the way to the Second Coming.

So it is you cherry picking 3 verses to make a point that is not even mentioned in the whole chapter. Jude was comparing people of his day to those examples, and even the rebel angels. He was not comparing the examples to each other.

 

[Timtofly]

No, angels are not stars, but they are "luminaries" figuratively speaking.

Kind of hard to look up at the night sky and not noticing those angels hard at work. God put them in the firmament for signs and seasons. That is their job. Are you saying we only think we see stars at night, figuratively speaking? Nothing is really in the firmament?

Stars is who they are, angel is what they do on occasion. Angel means messenger.


Strong's Greek: 32. ἄγγελος (aggelos) -- an angel, messenger
... Bible Strong's Greek 32 32. aggelos Strong's Concordance aggelos: an angel, messenger Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun,

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"

Their first purpose was to be for signs. That is the epitome of messenger. Over the years they guided men, so faithfully, they turned it into an occult practice of the zodiac, and even predicting the future. I guess Satan as a fallen star probably did not try much to stop using the stars for that purpose. But certainly all they are, are lights in the sky. They don't communicate thoughts to humans on earth. They are not supposed to leave the position God placed them in. Even if those positions are misappropriated and used by humans to follow after Satan and the occult. Their position in the firmament was for signs.

 

[David in NJ]

Did you see what you just posted?

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Yes the ones who are considered worthy are the sons of God.

Jesus said that they are the sons of God not that they will be the sons of God.

Don't you get it? Jesus has already made us worthy.

Of course the LORD Jesus has made us worthy by His Precious Blood and the Holy Spirit = this was never in question.

"But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead."

Have you been Resurrected and entered into the Age to Come? = NOPE, you and i must wait for that Day = His Second Coming

You and i are currently in this present age where men and women are flesh humans and marry and reproduce flesh humans.

Marty - herein is the Truth directly from the LORD to you of Genesis ch6 "sons of God".

We do not become COMPLETED "sons of God" in Glorified bodies until that Transformation(1 Cor ch15) at His Second Coming.

Peace Marty

 

[Timtofly]

Where does it say in scripture "Adam's dead flesh corrupted the sons of God" ?

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

The sons of God did not die. God is not saying Adam's fleah is now flesh, that happened when Adam disobeyed God. What became dead flesh was the offspring of this new union. Now their offspring were given a lifespan of 120 years. Not them, but their descendants from this union. They were corrupted by Adam's dead corruptible flesh. You may think post Flood ways where all on earth were in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. But those sons of God did not die when Adam disobeyed. Nor did they have access to the tree that would kill them, if they disobeyed God. There was no death period. But when God killed that first sacrifice, then death followed for all living things. But not the sons of God. It was not until they had offspring with Adam's flesh that their physical flesh was limited. And still not that first generation. Death passed on through the offspring of Adam to the offspring of the union between them and the sons of God. You have to remember male offspring of Adam did not carry a pregnancy. It would work the same way if a male offspring of Adam impregnated a son of God at least the female version that would carry a pregnancy. The offspring would still be Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The point was mixing the genetics of the sons of God with Adam's genetics would always result in death, not change Adam's flesh out of death into life. All it did was introduce giants into Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The only one who can make that change out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is God Himself. Obviously at the Second Coming in the rapture that is what happens. Mortality is left behind for a living permanent incorruptible physical body. The same one the sons of God had. Well almost. We still don't know if that physical body is both male and female or if there are genders in heaven. One of those mysteries yet to reveal itself.

Adam's dead corruptible flesh shortened an everlasting physical body to only live for 120 years. Adam's offspring did not become sons of God, yet now God calls the offspring human flesh, and now this flesh can only live for 120 years. Yet by the time Noah turned 500, none of the generations that even could live 120 years, were not worth saving. God let Adam's dead corruptible flesh live for hundreds of years, even after the Flood. As long as they were righteous in God's sight. Look at Shem. Still alive when Abraham was almost 100 years old.

But while Noah was building an ark, these offspring were getting more wicked each generation. Yet not all the sons of God did that. That would be an assumption, and there were already men of renown, still sons of God thousands of years old by the time the Flood happened.

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

After that for hundreds of years the 600 years of Noah from birth until the Flood, there were still men of renown. We don't know at what point those who did not take wives of Adam's dead corruptible flesh left earth. But certainly if they were in communication with God, they would have been as fed up as God was. Enoch left earth, what stopped them from leaving earth since they walked and talked with God more than Adam's dead flesh could. And we know that Enoch and Noah could communicate with God. Why do you all limit God's communication skills when most of Scripture is set on the angle of sin and corruption? That is not all there is to life.

 

[David in NJ]

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

The sons of God did not die. God is not saying Adam's fleah is now flesh, that happened when Adam disobeyed God. What became dead flesh was the offspring of this new union. Now their offspring were given a lifespan of 120 years. Not them, but their descendants from this union. They were corrupted by Adam's dead corruptible flesh. You may think post Flood ways where all on earth were in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. But those sons of God did not die when Adam disobeyed. Nor did they have access to the tree that would kill them, if they disobeyed God. There was no death period. But when God killed that first sacrifice, then death followed for all living things. But not the sons of God. It was not until they had offspring with Adam's flesh that their physical flesh was limited. And still not that first generation. Death passed on through the offspring of Adam to the offspring of the union between them and the sons of God. You have to remember male offspring of Adam did not carry a pregnancy. It would work the same way if a male offspring of Adam impregnated a son of God at least the female version that would carry a pregnancy. The offspring would still be Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The point was mixing the genetics of the sons of God with Adam's genetics would always result in death, not change Adam's flesh out of death into life. All it did was introduce giants into Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The only one who can make that change out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is God Himself. Obviously at the Second Coming in the rapture that is what happens. Mortality is left behind for a living permanent incorruptible physical body. The same one the sons of God had. Well almost. We still don't know if that physical body is both male and female or if there are genders in heaven. One of those mysteries yet to reveal itself.

Adam's dead corruptible flesh shortened an everlasting physical body to only live for 120 years. Adam's offspring did not become sons of God, yet now God calls the offspring human flesh, and now this flesh can only live for 120 years. Yet by the time Noah turned 500, none of the generations that even could live 120 years, were not worth saving. God let Adam's dead corruptible flesh live for hundreds of years, even after the Flood. As long as they were righteous in God's sight. Look at Shem. Still alive when Abraham was almost 100 years old.

But while Noah was building an ark, these offspring were getting more wicked each generation. Yet not all the sons of God did that. That would becan assumption, and there were already men of renown, still sons of God thousands of years old by the time the Flood happened.

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

After that for hundreds of years the 600 years of Noah from birth until the Flood, there were still men of renown. We don't know at what point those who did not take wives of Adam's dead corruptible flesh left earth. But certainly if they were in communication with God, they would have been as fed up as God was. Enoch left earth, what stopped them from leaving earth since they walked and talked with God more than Adam's dead flesh could. And we know that Enoch and Noah could communicate with God. Why do you all limit God's communication skills when most of Scripture is set on the angle of sin and corruption? That is not all there is to life.

Nope

All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God

"For since death came through a man(Adam), the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
For as in Adam all die" - 1 Cor ch15

the "sons of God" are not dead men walking the earth and marrying the "daughters of men"

 

[CadyandZoe]

Do you have a verse from Joel?

Did I say Joel? Oh my. My mistake. I meant to say "Jude." (Senior moment. :) )
Jude says the angels left their habitation.

An observation: (if I may)
The opening chapter of Genesis reveals a logical process. First God creates domains, then he populates the domains with creatures. For instance, he creates oceans and then he populates that domain; then he creates the dry land, and he populates that domain with creatures. The sky is filled with birds and the heavens are filled with stars and etc. Presumably, the angels have their own domain.

Some creatures can survive in more than one domain. The domain of a bird is the sky, but a bird also lives in the trees and sometimes on the ground. The domain of man is on the dry ground, but some men can dive for pearls, holding the breath for an extended period.

When Gabriel spoke with Mary, the mother of Jesus, presumably Gabriel briefly left his domain to visit Mary in her domain, perhaps returning to the domain of angelic beings once he was finished.

The book of Revelation indicates that Satan swept a third of the Stars from heaven. Presumably, this speaks metaphorically about an angelic rebellion when a third of the angels rebelled against God, leaving their usual habitation for some other location.

Just thinking out loud here. Have a great weekend.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Kind of hard to look up at the night sky and not noticing those angels hard at work. God put them in the firmament for signs and seasons. That is their job. Are you saying we only think we see stars at night, figuratively speaking? Nothing is really in the firmament?

No. We know that stars are physical objects like our sun -- gaseous bodies that put out heat and light in great quantity which is why we can see them from light years away.

Now, since the earth, moon, sun and stars move in predicable patterns, they serve as guides to navigation and agriculture. In a sense, they are needed light during dark times. For this reason, I think, the term "star" has a figurative use. Anything or anyone who brings "light" during dark time is a "star" or a "luminary." Such people aren't literally stars. We call them "luminaries" because they bring wisdom or revelation at a time when we need it most.

Stars is who they are, angel is what they do on occasion. Angel means messenger.

Angels bring us wisdom and revelation from God. They are luminaries during dark times. But what we see in the night sky are stars, not angels.

Strong's Greek: 32. ἄγγελος (aggelos) -- an angel, messenger
... Bible Strong's Greek 32 32. aggelos Strong's Concordance aggelos: an angel, messenger Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun,

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,"

I see what you are saying. In Greek thought "angels:messangers" come in many forms. An "angel," generally speaking, is anyone or anything that announces or tells. Not only does the term "angel" refer to semi-divine beings, the term refers to birds of augury, or the nightingale for example. I suppose, given this broad definition of the word "angel", a star can act like a messenger. In any case, the term is being employed to indicate a role or a function.

[I think that when a woman wears a hat, the hat is an "angel:messager." :)]

But we understand that nightingales are not divine beings. And neither are stars. Right? or No?

 

[jamesdalbright]

According to Luke 20:34-36 the sons of God include all from the time of creation until the new heaven and the new earth that are worthy to attain the resurrection and the new heaven and the new earth, which would include the sons of God found in Gen. 6:2. The fact that Gen 6:4 explains that the nephilim in Gen 6:4 are the renowned men old and not giant sized men.


Gen. 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.


Luke 20:34-36 "And Jesus said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, {35} but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage; {36} for neither can they die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection

 

[Marty fox]

Of course the LORD Jesus has made us worthy by His Precious Blood and the Holy Spirit = this was never in question.

"But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead."

Have you been Resurrected and entered into the Age to Come? = NOPE, you and i must wait for that Day = His Second Coming

You and i are currently in this present age where men and women are flesh humans and marry and reproduce flesh humans.

Marty - herein is the Truth directly from the LORD to you of Genesis ch6 "sons of God".

We do not become COMPLETED "sons of God" in Glorified bodies until that Transformation(1 Cor ch15) at His Second Coming.

Peace Marty

Colossians 3
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God

We don’t need a body transformation to become the sons of God it’s about our minds and spirit

 

[David in NJ]

Colossians 3
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God

Your "mind/spirit" can Rise Above = not your flesh body

 

[Marty fox]

Your "mind/spirit" can Rise Above = not your flesh body

I actually just edited that last post

 

[David in NJ]

I actually just edited that last post

Colossians 3
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God

We don’t need a body transformation to become the sons of God it’s about our minds and spirit

If we did not need a transformation to COMPLETE the process of becoming "sons of God", in COMPLETENESS, then God would never of said:

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Currently you are a son of this age walking in your flesh body on earth, therefore you can marry a female/woman and impregnate her and thru this union of reproduction produce children of flesh for this age.

You(nor any human) can never produce a "son of God" = NEVER

 

[David in NJ]

Did I say Joel? Oh my. My mistake. I meant to say "Jude." (Senior moment. :) )
Jude says the angels left their habitation.

An observation: (if I may)
The opening chapter of Genesis reveals a logical process. First God creates domains, then he populates the domains with creatures. For instance, he creates oceans and then he populates that domain; then he creates the dry land, and he populates that domain with creatures. The sky is filled with birds and the heavens are filled with stars and etc. Presumably, the angels have their own domain.

Some creatures can survive in more than one domain. The domain of a bird is the sky, but a bird also lives in the trees and sometimes on the ground. The domain of man is on the dry ground, but some men can dive for pearls, holding the breath for an extended period.

When Gabriel spoke with Mary, the mother of Jesus, presumably Gabriel briefly left his domain to visit Mary in her domain, perhaps returning to the domain of angelic beings once he was finished.

The book of Revelation indicates that Satan swept a third of the Stars from heaven. Presumably, this speaks metaphorically about an angelic rebellion when a third of the angels rebelled against God, leaving their usual habitation for some other location.

Just thinking out loud here. Have a great weekend.

Good points of observation.

Fine tune it = it is not presumed that some angels left their proper/ordered domain = increase your faith

Jude 1:6 "And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day."

Fine tune = Satan and a 1/3 of the angels did not want to be cast to earth

"Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.
9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.
He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." - Revelation ch12

 

[Marty fox]

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If we did not need a transformation to COMPLETE the process of becoming "sons of God", in COMPLETENESS, then God would never of said:

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.

Currently you are a son of this age walking in your flesh body on earth, therefore you can marry a female/woman and impregnate her and thru this union of reproduction produce children of flesh for this age.

You(nor any human) can never produce a "son of God" = NEVER

Of course I can't produce a son of God it is spiritual. I am not saying that every decedent from Seth was a son of God just that the faithful line came through him