Christianity requires fear, guilt, and conformity

[Jim B]

Because they’re quickly getting phased out, no power. But the Taliban-like mindset is still there. Someone came along at a gathering and figured out how to control the masses…and so religion came about.

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I like your graphic.

 

[FlySwatter]

Again, you are using an undefined criteria for "baby" that allows time from conception to this undefined point of development. It is an actual human from the moment of conception.

Again, no it is not. Absolutely not. It is a fertilised egg, then a zygote, then a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus and so on.
It is not a baby, it is not a human being.

You want to create further divisions, such as fetus or embryo. However, science and morality are not on your side.

Again just wrong. Science and the medical world classify the various stages of these organisms as zygote, blastocyst, embryo and fetus, not me. It is the anti-abortion / forced pregnancy brigade that want to invent their own terms which are wholly out of line with science and medical practice.

The baby has a fully intact unique DNA from the moment of conception.

So does an appendix. Another losing argument.

A fully developed human may not occur for years and even decades after birth. Let's face it.

Irrelevant. Should we refer to ourselves as undeveloped corpses then?!!!

 

[Jim B]

Again, no it is not. Absolutely not. It is a fertilised egg, then a zygote, then a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus and so on.
It is not a baby, it is not a human being.



Again just wrong. Science and the medical world classify the various stages of these organisms as zygote, blastocyst, embryo and fetus, not me. It is the anti-abortion / forced pregnancy brigade that want to invent their own terms which are wholly out of line with science and medical practice.



So does an appendix. Another losing argument.




Irrelevant. Should we refer to ourselves as undeveloped corpses then?!!!

GREAT POST!!! IT SHOULD BE READ BY ALL!

 

[Romanov2488]

GREAT POST!!! IT SHOULD BE READ BY ALL!

 

[Romanov2488]

Again, no it is not. Absolutely not. It is a fertilised egg, then a zygote, then a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus and so on.
It is not a baby, it is not a human being.



Again just wrong. Science and the medical world classify the various stages of these organisms as zygote, blastocyst, embryo and fetus, not me. It is the anti-abortion / forced pregnancy brigade that want to invent their own terms which are wholly out of line with science and medical practice.



So does an appendix. Another losing argument.




Irrelevant. Should we refer to ourselves as undeveloped corpses then?!!!

Anti-abortion supporters such as Wrangler would love to have a nationwide Sharia Law put in place on women to prevent abortion.

One main argument they use is the fetus feeling pain. However, the fetus doesn’t feel pain until about 24 weeks in where the nervous system is significantly developed enough to the point of signals being sent back to the thalamus. At the end of the day, I’m not surprised that the Abrahamic religions are against abortion, given that their primary way of passing religion down is through procreation.

Religion is a lot like circumcision-if you wait until someone is 21 to tell them about it, they probably won’t be interested.

 

[Wrangler]

Because they’re quickly getting phased out, no power. But the Taliban-like mindset is still there.

America is a Christian nation. Always was.

Comparing Christians to the Taliban is like comparing Hindu's to the Democrat Party. Your hatred blinds you, as always.

 

[Wrangler]

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No. Proof that God exists is the billions of living witnesses.

 

[Wrangler]

No I'm not. Calling a fertilised egg a baby is both ridiculous and divisive and science would definitely not be on your side.

Again, the science proves it has a unique human DNA from the moment of conception. Let's start there, at the beginning with claims of science.

The baby - even in the stage of its development as being only a fertilized egg - remains human and no other species. All you can do is deny this basic scientific fact.

 

[Wrangler]

A zygote, fetus or other barely developed organism is not a baby nor a human being.

Why not?

 

[Naomanos]

America is a Christian nation. Always was.

I think you may need to do more research on that.

 

[Wrangler]

The question of species is irrelevant here.

It's totally relevant here. Murder is about killing humans. What life form is being killed in an abortion? A human life.

 

[Wrangler]

Where did I say it was not human? At no point. That's twice now you have claimed I said things that I did not in order to state something you want to say. A poor debating style.

LOL. What type of fertilized egg, zygote, clump of living cells is it? You use these terms precisely to distract from the fact that the baby is a living human - at every stage of its development. Talk about poor debating style!

 

[Wrangler]

It has the DNA associated with Homo Sapiens. But then so does an appendix, liver or kidney. None of them are actual human beings. They are all organisms with human DNA.

No. There is were you are totally wrong. A liver, appendix or kidney is part of a human's complete DNDA. The baby is a complete living human with unique DNA.

 

[Wrangler]

Anti-abortion supporters have a desperate need to refer to a fertilised egg as a human being because they have no sound argument and thus need to use emotional content to try and dupe people.

No sound argument? The Declaration of Independence states that we have certain unalienable rights. The 1st right listed is life.

What has no sound argument is the blood thirsty baby killing. "My body. My choice" denies the baby is a separate body, temporarily connected to another. That other is shown in many species to fight to the death to protect its young.

That this instinct is sometimes absent in adult human females, shows how depraved we are. Our savagery is worse than animals. And you, a defender of baby killing, relying on sophistry.

 

[Wrangler]

Science and the medical world classify the various stages of these organisms as zygote, blastocyst, embryo and fetus,

Subdividing the baby's development into other categories does not make abortion ending the life of another species.

Your only hope is to rely on some technical categorization AS IF such word play changes anything. Abortion still stops a human's beating heart.

 

[Naomanos]

Abortion still stops a human's beating heart.

And unfortunately, sometimes that is a necessity when the mother's life is at risk.

We cannot lose sight of that and it doesn't matter what percentage are for that reason.

 

[Wrangler]

I think you may need to do more research on that.

I did exhaustive research on it and found the propaganda that America is not a Christian nation false.

Columbus' charter by Queen Isabella was for the purpose of spreading Christianity, which he did. The United States federal government created an Office of the Chaplain since the beginning. Every chaplain holding that office has been Christian. The largest demographic of the US is Christian, at 70% (It's lowest % since stats began).

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer, led by a Christian minister. Every US President has been Christian. Every court proceeding requires witnesses to take on oath on THE BIBLE that what they are going to say is true.

If any of this were not the case, even if there were ONE exception, anti-Christian propagandists would use it to support their false claim.

 

[Naomanos]

I did exhaustive research on it and found the propaganda that America is not a Christian nation false.

Columbus' charter by Queen Isabella was for the purpose of spreading Christianity, which he did. The United States federal government created an Office of the Chaplain since the beginning. Every chaplain holding that office has been Christian. The largest demographic of the US is Christian, at 70% (It's lowest % since stats began).

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer, led by a Christian minister. Every US President has been Christian. Every court proceeding requires witnesses to take on oath on THE BIBLE that what they are going to say is true.

If any of this were not the case, even if there were ONE exception, anti-Christian propagandists would use it to support their false claim.

If you say so, but be that it was founded on freedom of religion to me means that any religion can be practiced here and the government cannot establish on religion over another. That alone speaks tonthis not being a Christian nation if if some want it to be.

As a Christian I am against making this a Christian nation. People should be able to choice what religion they are, even if we Christians think our is the only correct one.

 

[Wrangler]

And unfortunately, sometimes that is a necessity when the mother's life is at risk.

We cannot lose sight of that and it doesn't matter what percentage are for that reason.

Disagree. Exceptions don't make rules. Well over 95% of abortions are for convenience sake. https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/article_files/3711005.pdf

 

[Naomanos]

Disagree. Exceptions don't make rules. Well over 95% of abortions are for convenience sake. https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/article_files/3711005.pdf

So you are all for the life of the mother ending when it can be saved by having an abortion?

As I said, the percentage doesn't matter. If the mother's life can be saved because the fetus or pregnancy is killing her, than it should be.

She is a life too, and if the fetus has no chance of survival outside the womb, why should both die when the mother can live?

Even if the percentage is 0.0000000000001 that abortions are done for medical reasons, those reasons are enough to protect abortion for those specific reasons.

My mind will never change on that, but as someone told me in a PM, as someone who has been in the medical field as long as I have, I am closer to life and death situations than the majority of people ever come close to being.