How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Johann]

:)Yes it was long......but I wasn't sure if it was being understood or not, so I made another attempt to expound it just in case. Glad that you concur! :)

Oh, you have been understood-make no mistake about that.:)

 

[Lizbeth]

There is no resurrection life unless one dies...so I seek to die, not be saved. The kingdom of God is not like this world.

I hear what you are saying and agree in principle, but to be precise according to the scripture we seek to die and not save our life/psuche, in order to be saved! Like Jesus...for the joy that is set before us. Truth is we have been crucified with Christ already......it's already done in heaven if we know Christ.....but now we need to allow that to come to fruition on earth, ie, in our vessels of clay...bringing fruit to perfection. His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Ritajanice]

Scriptures that remind us to die to oneself​

1. John 3:30 He must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less.

2. Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

3. 1 Corinthians 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

4. Galatians 5:24-25 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives.

A new creation in Christ will choose to die to self​

5. Ephesians 4:22-24 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

6. Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

7. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Dead to sin​

We are no longer slaves to sin. We don’t live a continuous lifestyle of sin.

8. 1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

9. Romans 6:1-6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

10. Romans 6:8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

11. Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

Count the cost of following Christ​

12. Luke 14:28-33 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’ “Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

13. Luke 14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple

14. Matthew 10:37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

15. Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

16. Luke 9:24-25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?

17. Matthew 10:38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.


You must be set apart from the world.

18. Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God–this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

19. James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

 

[Johann]

I hear what you are saying and agree in principle, but to be precise according to the scripture we seek to die and not save our life/psuche, in order to be saved! Like Jesus...for the joy that is set before us. Truth is we have been crucified with Christ already......it's already done in heaven if we know Christ.....but now we need to allow that to come to fruition on earth, ie, in our vessels of clay...bringing fruit to perfection. His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Maybe Epi is thinking along these lines?

1) "For whosoever will save his. life shall lose it," (hos gar ean thele ten psuchen autou sosai) "For anyone who strongly wills to save his soul-life," (apolesei auten) "will (surely) lose it,'' living for carnal life-purposes alone; Remember Lot's wife. Luk_17:22; Luk_17:33; Joh_12:24-26; Ro 6 1-7.

2) "But whosoever shall lose his life," (hos d' an apolesei ten psuchen autou) "But anyone (whosoever) will release his soul-life," for the good and help of others, as the grain loses its life for another grain, Joh_12:24-26; Php_3:7-10.

3) "For my sake and the gospel's," (heneken emou kai tou euangehou) "For my sake, and the sake of the gospel,'' the good news of redemption, Mar_10:29-30; Rom_1:16; 1Co_15:1-4; Act_14:22; Gal_5:25.

4) "The same shall save it." (sosei auten) "That one shall save it,'' with rejoicing in the day of revealing, and gathering of the sheaves, Psa_126:5-6; Ecc_11:1-6; Gal_2:16; Gal_6:14.
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Oh, you have been understood-make no mistake about that.:)

Please let me know if I mis-speak or am incorrect on anything.....work in progress and always ongoing here.

 

[Johann]

Please let me know if I mis-speak or am incorrect on anything.....work in progress and always ongoing here.

Lol!--same here, a work in progress-but will let you know.:)

 

[Johann]

Scriptures that remind us to die to oneself​

1. John 3:30 He must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less.

2. Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

3. 1 Corinthians 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

4. Galatians 5:24-25 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives.

A new creation in Christ will choose to die to self​

5. Ephesians 4:22-24 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

6. Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

7. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Dead to sin​

We are no longer slaves to sin. We don’t live a continuous lifestyle of sin.

8. 1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

9. Romans 6:1-6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

10. Romans 6:8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

11. Romans 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

Count the cost of following Christ​

12. Luke 14:28-33 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’ “Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

13. Luke 14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple

14. Matthew 10:37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

15. Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

16. Luke 9:24-25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?

17. Matthew 10:38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.


You must be set apart from the world.

18. Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God–this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

19. James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

Well done.
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Maybe Epi is thinking along these lines?

1) "For whosoever will save his. life shall lose it," (hos gar ean thele ten psuchen autou sosai) "For anyone who strongly wills to save his soul-life," (apolesei auten) "will (surely) lose it,'' living for carnal life-purposes alone; Remember Lot's wife. Luk_17:22; Luk_17:33; Joh_12:24-26; Ro 6 1-7.

2) "But whosoever shall lose his life," (hos d' an apolesei ten psuchen autou) "But anyone (whosoever) will release his soul-life," for the good and help of others, as the grain loses its life for another grain, Joh_12:24-26; Php_3:7-10.

3) "For my sake and the gospel's," (heneken emou kai tou euangehou) "For my sake, and the sake of the gospel,'' the good news of redemption, Mar_10:29-30; Rom_1:16; 1Co_15:1-4; Act_14:22; Gal_5:25.

4) "The same shall save it." (sosei auten) "That one shall save it,'' with rejoicing in the day of revealing, and gathering of the sheaves, Psa_126:5-6; Ecc_11:1-6; Gal_2:16; Gal_6:14.
J.

I think so brother. Amen. Jesus said His meat (that which sustains/saves life) was to do the will of the one who sent Him.

But I think Epi doesn't agree with what has already been accomplished in heaven. Because Jesus accomplished it on earth (in His vessel) on our behalf. And thus it was accomplished in heaven on our behalf, ie, as far as heaven is concerned ....so that it can then be accomplished on earth in our vessels of clay. Sorry for being a broken record, but in case it's yet helpful to anyone, "All things HAVE been put under His feet, though we do not yet SEE all things put under."

 

[Johann]

But I think Epi doesn't agree with what has already been accomplished in heaven. Because Jesus accomplished it on earth (in His vessel) on our behalf. And thus it was accomplished in heaven on our behalf, ie, as far as heaven is concerned ....so that it can then be accomplished on earth in our vessels of clay. Sorry for being a broken record, but in case it's yet helpful to anyone, "All things HAVE been put under His feet, though we do not yet SEE all things put under."

A chapter Epi have problems with--

Dead to Sin, Alive to God
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

--and until then, you are going against a brick wall.

Shalom to you and family.
J.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What stands out to me in what you shared. Is since they were not even willing to share their food with believers in return, they would not share their food with unbelievers. For example if your enemy is hungry feed him. “But we have nothing to feed him with!” “if your enemy is hungry and thirsty…???…And will hot coals will be poured upon his head, and the Lord will reward you.”

I do see your point in “never let your behavior to discredit your beliefs” not disputing that but also wonder if turning a blind eye to the behavior discredits the belief…
It can also be needful to let your behavior discredit your beliefs. No?

If you see your behavior discredits your beliefs… of communion with His body….then is it better to reexamine why the two are in opposition: our behavior and our said belief? Or maybe our beliefs are revealed by our behavior? Which needs to go? If our behavior is Bourne out of our beliefs and they are in opposition?
Be as your Father in Heaven who is perfect: giving not only to those who love Him, but also gives to those who do not love Him. The Father who does not only give to those who are grateful, but gives also to those ungrateful. Let us move on to perfection? If we won’t even share with those we call brethren, how will we ever share with those we call enemies? Makes me wonder who are those hungry that go away still hungered?

Romans 14:6-7 He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks. [7] For none of us live to himself, and no man dies to himself.

The centurion and Paul is an example of not letting your behavior discredit your belief (Imo) in Acts 27. Communion happens in Acts 27 (again Imo).

Yes, James argued the point you made. Our behavior often reveal our actual beliefs.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, James argued the point you made. Our behavior often reveal our actual beliefs.

Indeed it does !

 

[Waiting on him]

Did you know that most in this passage is Aorist, Middle Passive. Active, Perfect--that WE are to reckon ourselves dead--

"into Christ Jesus" The use of eis (into) parallels the Great Commission of Matt. 28:19, where new believers are baptized eis (into) the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The preposition is also used to describe the believers being baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ in 1 Cor. 12:13. Eis in this context is synonymous with en (in Christ) in Rom. 6:11, which is Paul's favorite way to denote believers. It is a locative of sphere. Believers live and move and have their being in Christ. These prepositions express this intimate union, this sphere of fellowship, this vine and branch relationship. Believers identify with and join with Christ in His death (cf. Rom. 6:6; 8:17), in His resurrection (cf. Rom. 6:5), in His obedient service to God, and in His Kingdom!

"into His death. . .we have been buried with Him" Baptism by immersion illustrates death and burial (cf. Rom. 6:5 and Col. 2:12). Jesus used baptism as a metaphor for His own death (cf. Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). The emphasis here is not a doctrine of baptism, but of the Christian's new, intimate relationship to Christ's death and burial. Believers identify with Christ's baptism, with His character, with His sacrifice, with His mission. Sin has no power over believers!

6:4 "we have been buried with Him through baptism into death" In this chapter, as is characteristic of all of Paul's writing, he uses many sun (with) compounds (e.g., three in Eph. 2:5-6).

1. sun + thaptō = co-buried, Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12; also note Rom. 6:8

2. sun + phuō = co-planted, Rom. 6:5

3. sun + stauroō = co-crucified, Rom. 6:6; Gal. 2:20

4. sun + zaō = co-exist, Rom. 6:8; 2 Tim. 2:11 (also has co-died and co-reign)



"so we too might walk in newness of life" This is an aorist active subjunctive. The expected result of salvation is sanctification. Because believers have received God's grace through Christ and have been indwelt by the Spirit, their lives must be different. Our new life (zoē) does not bring us salvation, but it is the result of salvation (cf. Rom. 6:16, 19; 8:4; 13:13; 14:15; and Eph. 1:4; 2:8-9,10; James 2:14-26). This is not an either/or question, faith or works, but there is a sequential order.



"newness of life" This is "new" in quantity, not just new in time. It is used in a variety of ways in the NT to speak of the radical change the Messiah brings. It is the new age, cf. Isaiah 40-66.

1. new covenant, Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25; 2 Cor. 3:6; Heb. 8:8,13; 9:15

2. new commandment, John 13:34; 1 John 2:7,8; 2 John 5

3. new creation, 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15

4. newness of life, Rom. 6:4

5. newness of spirit, Rom. 7:6

6. new man, Eph. 2:15; 4:24

7. new heavens and earth, 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1 (cf. Isa. 66:22)

8. new name, Rev. 2:17; 3:12 (cf. Isa. 62:2)

9. new Jerusalem, Rev. 3:12; 21:2

10. new song, Rev. 5:9; 14:3 (cf. Isa. 42:10)



"Christ was raised" In this context the Father's acceptance and approval of the Son's words and works are expressed in two great events.

1. Jesus' resurrection from the dead

2. Jesus' ascension to the Father's right hand

All three persons of the Trinity were involved in raising Jesus from the realm of the dead. See full note at Rom. 6:9 and 8:11.

"the glory of the Father" For "glory" For "Father" Rom. 1:7.

6:5 "if" This is afirst class conditional sentence, which is assumed to be true from the writer's perspective or for his literary purposes. Paul assumed his readers were believers.

"we have become united with Him" This is a perfect active indicative which could be translated, "have been and continue to be joined together" or "have been or continue to be planted together with." This truth is theologically analogous to "abiding" in John 15. If believers have been identified with Jesus' death (cf. Gal. 2:19-20; Col. 2:20; 3:3-5), theologically they should be identified with His resurrection life (cf. Rom. 6:10).

This metaphorical aspect of baptism as death was meant to show

1. we have died to the old life, the old covenant

2. we are alive to the Spirit, the new covenant



6:6

NASB"knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him"
NKJV"knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him"
NRSV"We know that our old self was crucified with him"
TEV"And we know this: our old being has been put to death with Christ on his cross"
NJB"We must realize that our former selves have been crucified with him"

This is an aorist passive indicative meaning "our old self has been once for all crucified by the Spirit." The passive voice denotes divine agency. This truth is crucial to victorious Christian living. Believers must realize their new relationship to sin (cf. Gal. 2:20; 6:14). Mankind's old fallen self (Adamic nature) has died with Christ (cf. Rom. 6:7; Eph. 4:22 and Col. 3:9). As believers we now have a choice about sin as Adam originally did.
Bob Utley.

Psalm 19:4-5 KJV
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

 

[Waiting on him]

"the cup of blessing" This probably refers to the third cup in the Jewish Passover service. It was what Jesus used to inaugurate the Lord's Supper.

The term "blessing" is eulogia from the VERB eulogeō, which means "to praise," "to flatter," "to bless," or "to benefit." See note at 2 Cor. 9:5. We get the English term eulogy from this Greek root. When Jesus enacted this ordinance he took both the cup and bread and gave thanks to God. The Greek term for thanks or thanksgiving is eucharistia, from which we get the term Eucharist. Both of these Greek terms are used in a synonymous way in 1 Cor. 14:16.

It is interesting, but not theologically significant, that the normal order of the cup and bread (cf. 1 Cor. 11:24-27) is reversed here. The order is not the issue, rather fellowship with Christ at His communal meal versus fellowship with pagan deities at their communal meals.





"sharing" This is the Greek word koinonia, which means "joint participation with." This is the origin of the English word "communion," used for the Eucharistic symbolic meal, which emphasizes fellowship now, but a more intimate fellowship in the future.

"in the blood of Christ" This is an emphasis on the death of Christ in its sacrificial OT context (cf. Levticus 1-7). The blood symbolized the life (cf. Lev. 17:11,14).



"the bread which we break" This is the source of the English phrase we use for the Lord's Supper, "breaking bread" (cf. Acts 2:42). This was the symbol Jesus chose to represent the New Covenant in His broken body on the cross. He purposely did not choose the Passover Lamb, which was a symbol of the old covenant experience (cf. Exodus 12).

"sharing in the body of Christ" The symbol of the "body of Christ" is twofold:

His physical body was sacrificed for human sin
His followers became His spiritual body, the church (which also has two aspects in 1 Corinthians:)
local church
the universal church
10:17 This is an emphasis on the unity of Christ and His church expressed in the Lord's Supper symbolism (i.e., one bread). This same unity of Christ's body is in 1 Cor. 12:12-13 in relation to spiritual gifts.

Partakers of the altar (κοινωνοὶ τοῦ θυσιαστηρίου)
An awkward phrase. Rev., better, bringing out the force of κοινωνοὶ communers: have not they - communion with the altar? The Israelite who partook of the sacrifices (Lev_8:31) united himself with the altar of God.

Paul says with the altar rather than with God, in order to emphasize the communion through the specific act of worship or sacrifice; since, in a larger sense, Israel after the flesh, Israel regarded as a nation, was, in virtue of that fact, in fellowship with God, apart from his partaking of the sacrifices. Possibly, also, to suggest the external character of the Jewish worship in contrast with the spiritual worship of Christians. Philo calls the Jewish priest κοινωνὸς τοῦ βώμου partaker of the altar.
Vincent

3) "Partakers of the altar?” (koinonoi tou thusiasteriou eisin) "Common sharers, consorters, of the altar sacrifices?" or do not those regularly identified with sacrifice eating, sharers or partakers of the worship. This is a question of rhetoric nature affirming that the altar-sacrifice worshiper by a common continual eating thus endorses the sacrifices of false worship, a thing God abhors, Exo_32:1-10.

Now we have a better understanding re "Partakers-kononoi-of the altar"

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1Co 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
1Co 10:19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

It was good of God to separate him from that old body of flesh, so he could become the first of a new body, the head even.

 

[Waiting on him]

A chapter Epi have problems with--

Dead to Sin, Alive to God
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

--and until then, you are going against a brick wall.

Shalom to you and family.
J.

It appears that the sin being served was their service to this national system of religions practice they were under the yoke of.

 

[Waiting on him]

Maybe Epi is thinking along these lines?

1) "For whosoever will save his. life shall lose it," (hos gar ean thele ten psuchen autou sosai) "For anyone who strongly wills to save his soul-life," (apolesei auten) "will (surely) lose it,'' living for carnal life-purposes alone; Remember Lot's wife. Luk_17:22; Luk_17:33; Joh_12:24-26; Ro 6 1-7.

2) "But whosoever shall lose his life," (hos d' an apolesei ten psuchen autou) "But anyone (whosoever) will release his soul-life," for the good and help of others, as the grain loses its life for another grain, Joh_12:24-26; Php_3:7-10.

3) "For my sake and the gospel's," (heneken emou kai tou euangehou) "For my sake, and the sake of the gospel,'' the good news of redemption, Mar_10:29-30; Rom_1:16; 1Co_15:1-4; Act_14:22; Gal_5:25.

4) "The same shall save it." (sosei auten) "That one shall save it,'' with rejoicing in the day of revealing, and gathering of the sheaves, Psa_126:5-6; Ecc_11:1-6; Gal_2:16; Gal_6:14.
J.

All of their lives were encapsulated in Judaism practice.

 

[Waiting on him]

Judaism from the beginning was a corrupt body of sin. Praise God the truth and light entered the world with Jesus. The law was given by Moses.

 

[Waiting on him]

I was born under a corrupt religion, born into the practice of Luther religion. It’s only taken God 55 years to separate me from that body. For decades this was my flesh!

 

[amigo de christo]

I hear what you are saying and agree in principle, but to be precise according to the scripture we seek to die and not save our life/psuche, in order to be saved! Like Jesus...for the joy that is set before us. Truth is we have been crucified with Christ already......it's already done in heaven if we know Christ.....but now we need to allow that to come to fruition on earth, ie, in our vessels of clay...bringing fruit to perfection. His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

That same man dont even believe its necessary to BELIEVE in CHRIST .
Never forget that . Many can come in and teach the principles of certain truths , But so too can satan himself .
All the while satan says , ALAS you CAN DO IT , there is NO NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
Satan knows what he is doing . This lamb wont budge from the one and only original life saving and life changing gospel
OF JESUS CHRIST , OF GOD HIMSELF . They do this to the other religoins too .
They come in as a muslim to lead them to all inclusivity , they do this to all my dear sister .
As for me , I am sticking to CHRIST JESUS and the total truth of the gospel which saves and not the other go spell
which graves . As in is death and leadeth to the second death .

 

[amigo de christo]

A chapter Epi have problems with--

Dead to Sin, Alive to God
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

--and until then, you are going against a brick wall.

Shalom to you and family.
J.

The simple problem i see with Epi , is he believeth the lie . He believes anyone can pick up their cross
no matter what religion they follow . THE DIRE NEED OF CHRIST has been omitted .
yeah , i keep it real simple . The devil can quoate scrips too , but rest assured HE WONT POINT TO FAITH IN CHRIST .
HE WONT POINT to YE MUST BELIEVE IN CHRIST .

 

[ChristisGod]

That same man dont even believe its necessary to BELIEVE in CHRIST .
Never forget that . Many can come in and teach the principles of certain truths , But so too can satan himself .
All the while satan says , ALAS you CAN DO IT , there is NO NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
Satan knows what he is doing . This lamb wont budge from the one and only original life saving and life changing gospel
OF JESUS CHRIST , OF GOD HIMSELF . They do this to the other religoins too .
They come in as a muslim to lead them to all inclusivity , they do this to all my dear sister .
As for me , I am sticking to CHRIST JESUS and the total truth of the gospel which saves and not the other go spell
which graves . As in is death and leadeth to the second death .

95% truth mixed with 5% leaven leaven’s the whole lump . It’s what the cults do specializing in truth mixed with lies and deception the tactic of the devil himself all wrapped up in religious / spiritual language to make it sound palatable.