How to Walk in Righteousness

[Patrick1966]

Other than this gift. we could repent all we want. it would not get us anywhere

Why not, please?

 

[Episkopos]

That's interesting and I'm not sure I've heard that said. I'm going to Google it. :)

Please quote me correctly. Repentance is both a gift AND a responsibility. There are two levels to consider, The truth has a double edge.

Even the higher wisdom has a double edge.

The gift of repentance is through grace...allowing us to empty ourselves so as to be filled with the Spirit.

The responsibility of repentance is into righteousness. Taking a humble stance and turning from vainglory, pride and self-justification as an act of the will.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

(Copied from Google)

In Acts 11:18, we read that “to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.” And in 2 Timothy 2:25, Paul says that we must gently instruct those who oppose us in the hope that “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”

Another interesting verse speaks of those who oppose themselves

 

[Patrick1966]

I was on my face and only able to speak one word - holy, and I eventually begged for it to stop or I thought I would die. I’m not even sure how long I was immobilized on the floor…

Hence "stunnedbygrace"?

That's an AMAZING testimony! Thank you for sharing!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Both....In the OT nobody could look on God and live. No "ADAM" could do so. But in Christ we are no longer in Adam. However, God is so clothed in light..you can't make out features anyway. The light is too powerful. Meeting the Father...you are on your face.

I’m actually not sure you would make out features anyway…He is Spirit.

 

[Episkopos]

Look Epi are you purposely distancing yourself from the public audience and their support here? You are coming up with some whoppers lately..

Where are you getting all these wild claims that you keep making? For instance, as you said in this post, 'There are many here who would try to convince you that believing a certain religiously flavored gospel turns any sinfulness or unrighteousness magically into the very righteousness of God.'

This statement is so wildly ridiculous and unbelievable no one should believe you, and your credibility becomes questionable. Who practices this doctrine anyway? I've never heard of it before. This has to be a part of your view of sin and how you have to maintain your own way to perfection, to become sinless of sorts, with your works program to salvation I guess...who knows

You would have to pay attention to what people are saying here.

Do you believe...because of your belief about Jesus...that you are as righteous as God? Ask @Enoch111 and all who like his posts... ask those who claim to already be glorified...all from reading themselves into the bible...as they want.

Apak, you are not a spiritual person so you don't perceive religious spirits.

 

[Patrick1966]

Please quote me correctly. Repentance is both a gift AND a responsibility. There are two levels to consider, The truth has a double edge.

Even the higher wisdom has a double edge.

The gift of repentance is through grace...allowing us to empty ourselves so as to be filled with the Spirit.

The responsibility of repentance is into righteousness. Taking a humble stance and turning from vainglory, pride and self-justification.

Certainly. Sorry.

 

[Episkopos]

Certainly. Sorry.

No problem brother....it's just that a lot of people here only see one dimension to God...so they mess up all of God's ways...upholding neither.

it's very crucial to see the word as having a double edge....in both holiness AND righteousness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why not, please?

If Jesus did not pay for our sin we would be left dead in our sin with no hope..

So I could repent. and say God I acknowledge I am a sinner and I acknowledge I have no hope. But there would be no justification for me to have because they debt is left unpaid..

Does that make sense?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Look Epi are you purposely distancing yourself from the public audience and their support here?

Uhhh…he really isn’t looking for support from men. He’s just speaking what He’s been given to speak. I don’t see how he can help having men angry and perturbed at him. Every time God ever gave a man a message to speak, it angered men. It just did. That hasn’t changed any.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No problem brother....it's just that a lot of people here only see one dimension to God...so they mess up all of God's ways...upholding neither.

it's very crucial to see the word as having a double edge....in both holiness AND righteousness.

How many ways are there to God?

 

[Patrick1966]

If Jesus did not pay for our sin we would be left dead in our sin with no hope..

So I could repent. and say God I acknowledge I am a sinner and I acknowledge I have no hope. But there would be no justification for me to have because they debt is left unpaid..

Does that make sense?

Perfectly, thank you!

 

[Episkopos]

How many ways are there to God?

You need to go to the one Mediator...Jesus Christ...to take you to the Father. The Father will tolerate NO sin whatsoever...so you will need to repent of dead religion and enter INTO Christ by having your flesh CRUCIFIED....dead. So that you might be filled with His life.

Do it before its too late.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Maybe I'm being too literal but the verse says we cannot please God while in the flesh. My guess is we can try to be righteous but we will never be pleasing to God as long as we remain in the flesh. Where am I going wrong?

I see it as saying…walk according to the flesh, walking ruled by its dictates, walking being manipulated and controlled by the flesh.
And I don’t yet know being crucified but I have known being weaned from my flesh/calmed as when David said, my soul is like a weaned child within me.

 

[Episkopos]

If Jesus did not pay for our sin we would be left dead in our sin with no hope..

This is false. Unless Jesus be RAISED from the dead you are still dead in your sins...because you are still walking in your own power...religious as that might appear to be.

The salvation of Christ is to walk in His resurrection life...not claim a religion based on beliefs about what Jesus did.

Please let no one listen to this false gospel....

Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. No one can claim that for themselves. Jesus is the Lamb of God...not the Lamb of religious people Quite the contrary.

So I could repent. and say God I acknowledge I am a sinner and I acknowledge I have no hope.

As you should. You need to repent from your dead religion onto the living God. Your hope lies in turning to the Lord in brokenness and humility.

But there would be no justification for me to have because they debt is left unpaid..

Does that make sense?

No sense at all....unless through a religious scheme that justifies the flesh. You are polluting my thread with your propaganda.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Thank you for the enlightenment. I missed the context. I love learning the truth. Thank you again!

Sometimes I still begin to think “in the flesh” means being in my physical body. But…my physical body is not good or bad. It’s just…my temporary tent.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Maybe I'm being too literal but the verse says we cannot please God while in the flesh. My guess is we can try to be righteous but we will never be pleasing to God as long as we remain in the flesh. Where am I going wrong?

To be righteous/doing what God sees as right, which is summed up by caring about others at least as much as we care about ourselves, is acceptable to God. It is humility and not judging and fearing God. God will accept and make a place for these men. They will be among the nations in the millennium.

To actually be IN Him, walking IN the Spirit rather than just being led by the Spirit, is to be walking in His very own holiness. That is more than acceptable to God. It is pleasing to God.

Abide in Me and I in you are two different things.

 

[APAK]

Jesus calls the Laodiceans to repent...or else... The Ninevites were also called to repentance...and by a lesser one than Jesus. They indeed repented.

You need to do a study on righteousness, my friend. Get yourself a Septuagint bible....and see how early believers saw righteousness.

Believers of today are mainly indoctrinated, brainwashed...into a scheme that denies BOTH levels of righteousness..or ALL righteousness as Jesus says.

Repentance is a gift....into the higher walk. But repentance is also a responsibility that brings life out of death. There is a righteousness that is OUR responsibility. Even a child is known by his ways.

You need a lot of instruction on this ....take your time.

You are characterizing what righteousness is and isn't. Because you only know your own situation doesn't mean that others are just like you...or what you've experienced.

So you understand a false righteousness. That makes you think you know what righteousness is???

To the pure, all is pure. But to the filthy all is filthy.

Gibberish again Epi. You speak a double talk at least, and keep altering your remarks on the same subject matter. And either you purposely will not be clear and transparent on this/these subject(s) or you just do not know your subject that well and you keep winging it along the way.

There are no TWO levels of righteousness, one for you and the rest for the other misguided ones, on a lower plane.

And there is NO Godly righteousness of human origin or works outside of living in the Spirit and in Christ that is worth anything to God.

He designed us for righteous works and how he decides to distribute it and accept it, not you.

Your works of your own power and own will, as you have admitted ,many times, then must be all filthy rags. So you can be responsible all you want with your human righteousness and your maintenance of sin and salvation. Not for me, I have righteousness and its works because of the Spirit of God and the faith I have in it with the spirit of Christ growing within me everyday. All true believers have this as part of their precious given grace of God to salvation and with complete perfection in the 'next' life.

And as for your obsession in your so-called 'higher walk,' this is an abomination to God, a prideful concept of yours. Have you no humility before God at all. You think you can play God and think you are on equal footing and have all his righteousness and goodness? No one can!

The best you can do as I in the flesh is to continue to walk or live in Christ and become more Christlike and finish the race with an abundance of faith and love to share and spare; and become more mature in our holy character in Christ and of constant and consistent righteousness that shows how we have walked in the Spirit under this power of the Spirit of God through faith...not by our own so-called 'free' will can we decide to go to the level of God and see his face, on his own highest plane.

As as for more instruction of yours that you think I need from you, it all originates out of the depths of evil and wickedness. Who do you think you are fooling here Epi?. I've read your types of false doctrines before from other people. They do not change their stripes for anyone, as they continue to strut their stuff, all puffed up in arrogance and full of pride....

 

[Episkopos]

To be righteous/doing what God sees as right, which is summed up by caring about others at least as much as we care about ourselves, is acceptable to God. It is humility and not judging and fearing God. God will accept and make a place for these men. They will be among the nations in the millennium.

To actually be IN Him, walking IN the Spirit rather than just being led by the Spirit, is to be walking in His very own holiness. That is more than acceptable to God. It is pleasing to God.

Abide in Me and I in you are two different things.

Excellent except the reference to the Millenium. The nations ALL rebel against the Lord and His saints. The righteous don't come back to life until the GWT...the judgment of the nations. The 2nd resurrection.

The nations of them that are saved is in the next age.

 

[APAK]

I pray that you two can come together in love as Jesus desires.

Pride comes before the fall my friend. I'm also an ex-Catholic as you, although since about 18 years old....I knew of Christ and even the scriptures although I never knew till afterwards I could know him personally, and walk as him by the Spirit of God.