The One Baptism

[theefaith]

It’s not a prerequisite of kings that their mothers be queens.

In the line of David the king
All kings mothers are the “queen mother” of the king

So even by your standard, Jesus is a Jew.

Yes

So even by your standard, the tribe of Judah - present at the giving of the law at Mount Sinai - were Jews.

Yes but not the other 11

“11” curious why does acts 2:14 say Peter stood up with the eleven? Is not Judas dead? Or is Mathias the eleventh?

 

[theefaith]

See above.



They all had the same father. They didn’t all have the same mother.

P.S.

I’m sorry @farouk. I mistakenly thought theefaith’s post was addressed to me. I wouldn’t have responded to it until after you had if I hadn’t erred.

its all good?

4 different mother huh?
So the brothers of Jesus are not necessarily the children of Mary?

 

[Matthias]

Yes but not the other 11

They all came out of Egypt together. They were all gathered together at Mount Sinai. It wasn’t the tribe of Judah alone which was Jewish.

“11” curious why does acts 2:14 say Peter stood up with the eleven? Is not Judas dead? Or is Mathias the eleventh?

Matthias replaced Judas Isacariot, restoring the number to twelve.

 

[Matthias]

its all good?

That’s not my philosophy.

“That’s all bridge under the water now” is more along my line of thinking.

4 different mother huh?
So the brothers of Jesus are not necessarily the children of Mary?

We were talking about the children of Israel; his twelve sons.

Jesus had an unspecified number of brothers and sisters in his immediate family. All of them were children of Mary.

 

[theefaith]

They all came out of Egypt together. They were all gathered together at Mount Sinai. It wasn’t the tribe of Judah alone which was Jewish.



Matthias replaced Judas Isacariot, restoring the number to twelve.

coming out of Egypt and being at Mount Sinai makes you Jewish?
Israelite and Hebrew yes Jewish no!

 

[theefaith]

That’s not my philosophy.

“That’s all bridge under the water now” is more along my line of thinking.



We were talking about the children of Israel; his twelve sons.

Jesus had an unspecified number of brothers and sisters in his immediate family. All of them were children of Mary.

then if can you have 12 brothers with four mothers you can also have Jesus brothers not the children of mary

 

[Matthias]

coming out of Egypt and being at Mount Sinai makes you Jewish?

It made them, all of them, Jewish.

Israelite and Hebrew yes Jewish no!

They remained Israelite and Hebrew.

 

[Matthias]

then if can you have 12 brothers with four mothers you can also have Jesus brothers not the children of mary

Jesus is my brother.

 

[RLT63]

You might find the linked article interesting - “Was Abraham Jewish? - from a Jewish source.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2013020/jewish/Was-Abraham-Jewish.htm

I had a polka tune (Lawrence Welk?) running through my mind as I read it. :)

Interesting, God casting lots though?

 

[RLT63]

Jesus is my brother.

Mat 1:24

¶
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Joseph knew Mary after the birth of Jesus.

 

[Matthias]

Interesting, God casting lots though?

We get what we get from Rabbinical Judaism. It can be very colorful and imaginative at times.

God casting lots is something I would not suggest, nor do I believe it to be the case.

In a word, speculation.

 

[farouk]

Mat 1:24

¶
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Joseph knew Mary after the birth of Jesus.

@RLT63 The 'perpetual virginity' is really a myth...

 

[Matthias]

Mat 1:24

¶
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Joseph knew Mary after the birth of Jesus.

Yes. I also stress after in my conversations.

 

[Wrangler]

Show me in Scripture where it says DON'T baptize infants

The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim. Scripture ONLY shows examples of baptizing adults.

IF you want to follow Christ, keep in mind he was ~30 years old when he was baptized.

 

[Matthias]

The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim. Scripture ONLY shows examples of baptizing adults.

IF you want to follow Christ, keep in mind he was ~30 years old when he was baptized.

Baptized by a fellow Jew, and not in the Roman Catholic Church.

I’m told by @theefaith that the only real Christians are Roman Catholics.

I’m also told by theefaith that Jesus himself was Roman Catholic. (Maybe he thinks John the Baptist was also Roman Catholic?) I’m not sure exactly how that works but it’s historically inaccurate. I take it that it’s a purely theologically driven position.

 

[RLT63]

Baptized by a fellow Jew, and not in the Roman Catholic Church.

I’m told by @theefaith that the only real Christians are Roman Catholics.

I’m also told by theefaith that Jesus himself was Roman Catholic. (Maybe he thinks John the Baptist was also Roman Catholic?) I’m not sure exactly how that works but it’s historically inaccurate. I take it that it’s a purely theologically driven position.

I'm reminded of people who say Jacobean English was the original language before the Tower of Babel incident

 

[Matthias]

I'm reminded of people who say Jacobean English was the original language before the Tower of Babel incident

That’s an eyebrow raiser.

I’ve often heard it said that Hebrew was, or might have been, the universal language before the Tower of Babel. Maybe it was, but I doubt it. Scripture doesn’t elaborate on it or make an issue out of it.

 

[RLT63]

That’s an eyebrow raiser.

I’ve often heard it said that Hebrew was, or might have been, the universal language before the Tower of Babel. Maybe it was, but I doubt it. Scripture doesn’t elaborate on it or make an issue out of it.

Brigham Young claimed he spoke the Adamic language when he was speaking in tongues

 

[Matthias]

Brigham Young claimed he spoke the Adamic language when he was speaking in tongues

One of my best friends is a Mormon. I remember him telling me that.

A case can be made for Hebrew but I don’t find it particularly strong. It strikes me as a sentimental argument. Abraham is the key figure, it seems to me, in that conversation. What was his native tongue? Akkadian? Aramaic? Hebrew? Some other Semitic dialect?

Maybe Jesus is the key figure. What was his native tongue? Aramaic. Would it have been the universal language prior to the Tower of Babylon? I don’t know. Was he multi-lingual? I believe so but I really don’t think it has any bearing on the question. He spoke the language(s) of the multi-culture he lived in.

It’s interesting to think about but I don’t think it’s anywhere near being a salvation issue.

P.S.

I wonder if @theefaith might think the universal language prior to the Tower of Babylon was Latin - the official language of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[RLT63]

One of my best friends is a Mormon. I remember him telling me that.

A case can be made for Hebrew but I don’t find it particularly strong. It strikes me as a sentimental argument. Abraham is the key figure, it seems to me, in that conversation. What was his native tongue? Akkadian? Aramaic? Hebrew? Some other Semitic dialect?

Maybe Jesus is the key figure. What was his native tongue? Aramaic. Would it have been the universal language prior to the Tower of Babylon? I don’t know. Was he multi-lingual? I believe so but I really don’t think it has any bearing on the question. He spoke the language(s) of the multi-culture he lived in.

It’s interesting to think about but I don’t think it’s anywhere near being a salvation issue.

I always just assumed it was Hebrew. It seemed fitting. Yes he would probably say Latin.