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Yes, there's no doubt the receiving of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues is biblical.
Only the ignorant of Scripture will deny it!
Whether it is still in effect today is in question. Good arguments on both sides.
RLT63
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I believe you can receive it without speaking in tongues, that was a sign not a requirement.
There were a few times, one I'm sure of, where they received it and the Scripture didn't mention the speaking in tongues.
That doesn't mean they didn't speak in tongues but it could at the same time be a case where they didn't.
I don't know! You could be right. I know the Pentecostals made it a requirement.
But some of the Assembly of God, 4 Square, and Pentecostals no longer teach the receiving of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.
I was talking to a Pentecostal friend who was telling me about this, he said almost half now don't teach it. I didn't know that.
RLT63
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I didn't know that either. Church of God and Assemblies of God pushed that when I went to those Churches, but that was 30 years ago.
judaism, pharasee sadusee are all tradition of men
God established the mosaic covey for all twelve tribes not just the Jews those of the tribe of judah
The religion of Moses and Jesus is Judaism.
Christianity began as a sect of Judaism.
That’s right.
Moses is from the tribe of Levi. Jesus is from the tribe of Judah. Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin.
again Israelites we’re required to not Jews “all twelve tribes”
Its like saying only us citizens are Americans! That’s crazy!
defending the truth is not worship!
but Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
All Protestants, fundamentalists, rigorist are infected with pride and the vices!
Like Saul they thought they are doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!
but then comes the blinding light of Christ!
Protestant fundamentalism is based on pride, presumption, and arrogance!
The doctrine of demons has built in vices!
Jn 8:32 the truth shall make you free! So false doctrine shall hold you in bondage!
The only way to know the truth is to know church who’s is the truth!
Jn 14:6
This extends to his church the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Christ is the light of the world!
This extends to His church!
Matt 5:14
The nature of pride always says no I will not serve, like the father of pride! I decide truth for myself! Pride always protests and lives in a continuous state of rebellion!
The virtues of a Christian are those of Christ, humility, Mt 11:29 obedience, and submission to proper authority, acceptance holy church and all she proposes for belief! Matt 28:19
The Faithful! The obedient of God!
As opposed to the rebellion of spiritual anarchy!
Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!
They put themselves in the place of God!
God alone can determine truth and morals!
We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Context, exegesis are not found in the scripture! Instruction, and taught are found in scripture!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Even one word of God is still the eternal word of God!
In many verses of scripture there are out of the way or by the way comments that don’t have anything to do with the context or chapter they are found in!
Context cannot change doctrine!
There is no content or context of John 14 that can make Jesus Christ not to be the way, the truth, and the life!
How can context make a verse untrue? We actually believe scripture, all scripture! (Not just 66 books of the English Bible society)
One verse or even one word is still scripture and is worthy for instruction!
We cannot read scriptures and decide doctrine for ourselves according to scripture we must be “taught”!
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 4:1-2
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord;
1 thes 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth is immutable! Cannot change!
RLT63
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Is this the same Catholic Church that brought us the crusades and the inquisition? That imprisoned, strangled and burned people who translated the Bible into English? That sold indulgences? That Catholic Church?
The religion of all twelve tribes of Israel was Judaism. All twelve tribes were therefore Jewish. Judah was merely one of the twelve.
no way!
The rabies by the tradition of men created Babylonion Judaism
the religion has f the twelve tribes of Israel requires a temple
Ark of the covenant
Priesthood (rabies are only lay teachers)
Sacrifice
Altar
Censor and insence
sorry for spelling
again Israelites we’re required to not Jews “all twelve tribes”
Its like saying only us citizens are Americans! That’s crazy!
Way. Your theologians know this.
Rabbis.
[One of your fellow trinitarians identifies Rabbinical Judaism as the source of the Trinity / trinitarianism, not Christianity. That thread would be an appropriate place, a very good place, for your “No way!” reaction.]
Judaism existed long before the Babylonian captivity.
Amen brother,
The pivotal moment for myself was on my face...once I got up, it was Jesus all the way, do detours :)
Ephesians 1:3, "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ."
As an exception, not as a rule.
And speaking in biblical tongues (glossais) was totally different from modern tongues (glossolalia). In general, the gift of the Holy Spirit was given when a sinner heard the Gospel, repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. The church at Ephesus is a good example. Kindly notice the progression:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the Word of Truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:12-14)
So what do we see here?
1. The Gospel was preached.
2. It is called "the Word of Truth"
3. Salvation comes by believing the Gospel.
4. The Ephesians heard the Gospel and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.
5. As a result they received the Holy Spirit, which is an "earnest" or downpayment of eternal salvation.
6. Then the Holy Spirit "sealed" them by making them children of God, and the purchased possession of Christ.
7. That was a guarantee of their eternal inheritance in Heaven.
8. All of this was to the praise of the glory of God's grace.
IS THERE EVEN A HINT OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES?
RLT63
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