"All things are lawful..."

[VictoryinJesus]

I did address it, saying it's unreasonable to demand the verse refers to a specific ritual instead of a series of different idolatrous behaviors engaged separately at any given time. I also pointed out Isaiah didn't mention lambchops or any other clean meat: he mentioned pork.
Dual prophecies pertain to both the day of the prophet and the end of time - obviously, what you're referring to pertains to ancient history, just as Jeremiah's "the slain of the Lord shall be in THAT DAY shall be from one end of the Earth even to the other end of the Earth" doesn't pertain to ancient Israel, but to the end of time, right or wrong?
KJV says "swine's flesh" aka those who eat "pork".
While it's good to compare Scripture with Scripture when cases arise that lack clarity, is Isaiah clear about what he's saying?

Yes...he's saying those who willfully engage in unclean acts like idolatrous grove worship and eat unclean meat like pork and mice are going up in smoke, right or wrong?

I surrender and agree. Honestly I’m a picky eater anyways. I’m not a fan of pork to begin with so it doesn’t hurt me to be told I shouldn’t eat it. so if you think I’m fighting to eat my pork…you couldn’t be more wrong.

More and more I come to realize every one is going to have a different interpretation and think theirs is always the right one. I’m not sure how everyone can be right all the time. You asked several times above “right or wrong”? That is a question I ask myself every day so I don’t have an answer for you.

 

[Phoneman777]

Your level of patience, or lack of it, has nothing to do with me.
Listen, You dont trust Christ to keep you saved.

See, you read "Abide in Me" as optional, while the true Christian reads it as a choice we must make lest we fail to bear fruit, wither, and burn in the Fire.

So, your faith is null and void. Understand? You have broken faith, dead faith, that is not related to real Trust in Jesus, but is absolutely related to trying to stay saved, and trying not to lose your Salvation. And that is LEGALISM, that is disconnected from God's Grace.

Pretty sure "dead faith" is the kind you promote, friend - absent of works. James says living faith is shown by our works. OSAS claims that we may by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

THats a fact. If you actually trusted Christ, I would not be having a discussion with you that points out that you dont actually have real faith in Christ.
So, you have nothing you can offer me, not doctrinally, not theologically..... as you are not a student of Paul, which means you are not a true student of the NT.
Like many...You think you are a real student of the NT, and that is your problem...one of them.

If you weren't deceived by and promoting shamelessly the false doctrine of OSAS and its License to Sin, I wouldn't need to correct you, lest others fall into your deception.

 

[Phoneman777]

The biggest deceivers on this Forum, believe you can lose your salvation, and they obsess on commandment keeping, water baptism, self effort (works), and OSAS.
Every one of them, you included, have no understanding of the Grace of God, as a FREE GIFT.
Every one of you, believes you have to keep yourself saved by doing something or by not not doing something.
And THAT,= self saving.... fallen from Grace, theology, has no real faith in Christ.
See, its impossible to have real faith in Christ if you do not believe that CHRIST who is our Salvation, keeps you saved.
All who do not trust in Christ to keep you saved., obsess on OSAS, and live in James, Hebrews, and Matthew.

Only an immature, irresponsible child desires to escape right consequences for wrong choices, and that's exactly what the OSAS License to Sin does: allows the Licensed to escape the same punishment for doing the exact same things for which the Unlicensed will be punished. Your childlike reaction to the truth is no different than that of ancient Israel: a four year old in the grocery store:

Zechariah 7:11-12 KJV
[11] But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
[12] Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent..."

 

[Phoneman777]

Ezekiel 36:26

Can't pass the test? Study harder!

 

[Phoneman777]

The "ditch" is listening to your Theology.
Thats a fact.
There is no Cross in it.
There is no Christ in it.
But if you like you can try to fake it for a few posts before you return to your self saving, Grace denying, Legalistic status.

Now, Here is the thing.
Christ is the WAY to heaven, and there is no other... and because He is the Way who comes to join Himself with the spirit of the Born again, there is no end to this Eternal Union.
Eternal Security is Spiritual Union with God, through Christ.

Hello...Proverbs 4:18 KJV calls it the "Path of the Just" for a reason! It's a trail blazed by the glory of the Cross and tread by those who "should walk even as He walked".

You're not gonna make it to "that perfect day" of redemption if you remain fallen in the Left Ditch of License to Sin while wasting your time screaming across the road at the others who've fallen into the Right Ditch of Legalism.

 

[Behold]

We all assume that the 'wrong' theology will lead us down paths contrary to our interests, however my question is, can the 'right' theology take us down paths equally contrary to our interests?

Yes.

As a matter of fact, if you watch the heretics on this forum, you'll note that the right understanding of the Grace of God, runs contrary to their interest, as their interest is to deny it, and revise it.

 

[Behold]

Can't pass the test? Study harder!

Its not a test, its a verse.
If you have a question, give it a shot.

 

[Behold]

Hello...Proverbs 4:18 KJV calls it the "Path of the Just" for a reason! It's a trail blazed by the glory of the Cross

You're a Cross denier, Phonemann777.

You deny that Jesus on the Cross, who is God's redemption, is able to keep you saved.
As you do believe you can lose your salvation.
Remember?
So, that deception, that you would teach to real believers, is Anti-Cross, Grace denying, Legalism.
And you'll do it again as all dark lights, Luke 11:35 .. have a dynamic compulsion to endlessly deny the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

 

[Phoneman777]

Tell us the name of the deceiver who told you to teach that 2 Peter 10-11, says that the Saints are collected.
There is no mention of Saints, in the verse.
And your Revelation verse, that you decided is connected to 2nd Peter that has no "saints" in it...., is a symbolic verse, that speaks of garments and nakedness.

You didn't answer my question: How can there still be 7 more years of tribulation after Jesus comes as a thief to collect the saints in a "secret rapture" if the Earth won't sustain life for 7 more minutes when He comes?

 

[Behold]

You didn't answer my question: How can there still be 7 more years of tribulation after Jesus comes as a thief to collect the saints in a "secret rapture" if the Earth won't sustain life for 7 more minutes when He comes?

I did answer it.
I told you that there are no "saints" in your verse.
So, when you twist a verse, and are shown that you have done this, and then you just keep doing it... then there is your answer.
If you need it again, try me again.

 

[Phoneman777]

yes, yes....I'm not concerned Phoneman......but maybe you could answer the question anyway :)

Yes, you are concerned or you wouldn't have asked.

Jesus kept the commandments perfectly and they accused Him of being a fraud...did He argue with them or did He point them to the Scriptures and allow them to speak in His defense?

 

[Behold]

See, you read "Abide in Me" as optional,

Being "IN Christ" and "ONE with God", proves you are IN THEM, = how you abide.

 

[Phoneman777]

I surrender and agree. Honestly I’m a picky eater anyways. I’m not a fan of pork to begin with so it doesn’t hurt me to be told I shouldn’t eat it. so if you think I’m fighting to eat my pork…you couldn’t be more wrong.

More and more I come to realize every one is going to have a different interpretation and think theirs is always the right one. I’m not sure how everyone can be right all the time. You asked several times above “right or wrong”? That is a question I ask myself every day so I don’t have an answer for you.

While everyone can have different opinions, we can't have our own truth, especially since we're told the last days will be swirling with deception, so much so that even we who konw the truth need to be on our guard.

 

[Behold]

Only an immature, irresponsible child desires to escape right consequences for wrong choices, and that's exactly what the OSAS License to Sin does."

No real believer teaches that you can sin without consequence.
You teach the false idea, the demonic lie, that there are believers who teach that God's Grace is permission to sin.
Paul does not teach this, and you can't post a statement by a Pastor who said that sinning is permitted now that you are born again.
People like you, who are in the OSAS Cult state that this happens, but it does not.
Its just a lie.

Let me show you more of the reality.
The Grace of God, does not give you a license to sin, it gives you "The Righteousness of God, in Christ"

 

[Phoneman777]

Its not a test, its a verse.
If you have a question, give it a shot.

People can't refuse to take the test and then tell Jesus "I didn't know" when they hear Him say "depart" - take the test!!!

 

[Phoneman777]

You're a Cross denier, Phonemann777.

You deny that Jesus on the Cross, who is God's redemption, is able to keep you saved.
As you do believe you can lose your salvation.
Remember?
So, that deception, that you would teach to real believers, is Anti-Cross, Grace denying, Legalism.
And you'll do it again as all dark lights, Luke 11:35 .. have a dynamic compulsion to endlessly deny the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

Your OSAS License to Sin will not deliver anyone in the Judgment.

 

[Behold]

You're not gonna make it to "that perfect day" of redemption .

The born again are redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb the instant God accepts their faith in Christ.
They instantly become "the temple of the Holy Spirit< "Made Righteous", "having eternal life".

 

[Phoneman777]

I did answer it.
I told you that there are no "saints" in your verse.
So, when you twist a verse, and are shown that you have done this, and then you just keep doing it... then there is your answer.
If you need it again, try me again.

Sorry, you didn't answer....because you know there isn't one.

 

[Behold]

People can't refuse to take the test and then tell Jesus "I didn't know" when they hear Him say "depart" - take the test!!!

There is no test to take.
Its just a verse.
Do you have something legit to offer?
Still waiting.

 

[Behold]

Sorry, you didn't answer....because you know there isn't one.

You lied about the verse.
Did you want to do it again, or do you just feel the fool's errand need to keep Trolling real believers on this forum?