Born Again = Not a Sinner

[Behold]

This is absurd!

I:hmm: tell you about the sign warning you about sharks in the water

Your'e the shark who has no understanding of God's Grace.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your'e the shark who has no understanding of God's Grace.

 

[Behold]

Explain how the "Gift of Salvation", that is the "Gift of Righteousness", is the reason that Roman's 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again?

Explain why heretics teach that you are supposed to be confessing sin, when 2 Corinthians 5:19, says that God was in Christ in the world not charging sin to us... and that is regarding only the BORN AGAIN.

Now, ichiah-Imla, ...you can't even begin to understand my questions, or those verses, so, trying to answer them, will make you seem to the readers here, even more foolish and deceived....if that is even possible at this point.

Here is the thing..
If you can come to the understanding that Christ is Salvation, and your works and self effort have no part to play in it, then you will taken your first step into real FAITH.

I hope that day finds you soon.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Explain how the "Gift of Salvation", that is the "Gift of Righteousness", is the reason that Roman's 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again?

This is speaking of the repentant sinner when he first believes the gospel. This sinners’ past trespasses are no longer imputed to him anymore.

“…joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.” (Luke 15:7)

Explain why heretics teach that you are supposed to be confessing sin, when 2 Corinthians 5:19, says that God was in Christ in the world not charging sin to us...

I don’t teach that saints should confess their sins. This was already done when you first believed and got born again.
But any new sins will have severe consequences without remedy.

you can't even begin to understand my questions, or those verses, so, trying to answer them, will make you seem to the readers here, even more foolish and deceived....if that is even possible at this point.

Man, what a provocative post.

You are so full of your self. But as you can see I understand the scriptures and have answered your questions. But you’ll just ignore and insult…

Here is the thing..
If you can come to the understanding that Christ is Salvation

I understand salvation perfectly.

your works and self effort have no part to play in it…

This is the case only for the repentant sinner upon first believing the gospel.

This is where your error begins.

You might be able to fool the people at the store to keep getting the first time buyer specials, but you cannot fool God.

Once you are saved, sin will disqualify you from the kingdom of God.

Sin no longer has dominion over a born again person, so any sin committed afterwards will be wilfull sin.

“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:14)

So beware:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[Behold]

I understand salvation perfectly.

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If you understood Salvation perfectly, you would not believe you can Lose it.

Also, your verse says......."if you/we sin willfully".

Yet, all your sinning is done willfully......You did it on purpose.
So, according to your posted verse, you are that person, and you are in trouble.

Now, if you say that you dont sin willfully, but all your sins are accidents, then you have willfully lied.
So, now you are again your verse.

Do you want to try for more?
You probably will.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yet, all your sinning is done willfully......You did it on purpose.
So, according to your posted verse, you are that person, and you are in trouble.

Divination is evil.

Especially when it’s faked.

Now, if you say that you dont sin willfully, but all your sins are accidents, then you have willfully lied.

I am born of God and obey the scriptures to fulfill this word:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

 

[Behold]

Divination is evil.
Especially when it’s faked.
I am born of God and obey the scriptures to fulfill this word:
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

Yet you posted a verse, that you AIMED at Believers, that say they can "sin willfully."
You posted this to ME... you pointed it at me.

Result? You are not honest, and that is problem.
I dont mind dealing with confused believer,s but i hate to have to try to help a religious faker who is only looking to create STRIFE.
I would rather deal with a Christ hating Atheist, any day all day.

So, because you posted that BELIEVERS can "sin Willfully".......is why i posted that you do.
That's not a ""divination"", that is a reaction to your post.

Seems you like to preach on a Christian forum that BELIEVERS can "sin willfully", while out of the other side of your dishonest mouth you state that you dont.
Or will you now agree with your own post that says you do?

Michiah-Imla, when you try to play both end against the middle you get cut off in the end.
So.....Its an evil game you continue to play on my Threads and on this forum.
But, that is your only reason to be here., and doesn't the Devil know it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yet you posted a verse, that you AIMED at Believers

All of the Bible is aimed at us!

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16)

You are not honest, and that is problem.

Posting scripture you don’t like is “dishonest”, yeah. Whatever!

a religious faker who is only looking to create STRIFE.

Posting scripture that contradicts sectarians gets them mad. Your a good specimen.

I would rather deal with a Christ hating Atheist, any day all day.

Yes, I’m sure! He would be unskillful in the word to rebuke you. You’d have a field day with them!

you like to preach on a Christian forum that BELIEVERS can "sin willfully"

What do you call this:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[Behold]

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

As i said.
When YOU SIN.......YOU..........its always willfully, or will you now come and say that you dont sin, or that all your sins are accidents.

See how it is to be caught in your dishonesty, again?

You bring that on yourself, because you want to be perceived as a Teacher. You need approvel.
And this type of person, has no foundation, and that is why you change your words.

So, as you can see, I was not using "divination", i was using your own post to highlight you again.
And i'll do it again.
=Watch and see.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

will you now come and say that you dont sin, or that all your sins are accidents.

I’m born of God.

I obey the scriptures.

“…to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness…” (Romans 6:16)

Hence:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

I do not obey sin unto death.

Why can’t you hear these scriptures?

 

[Phoneman777]

That would be false.
God has no memory of SIN He has forgiven.

True...however I'm talking about the OSAS believer who trusts in his License to Sin, not in the Divine Amnesia with which God forgives the truly repentant sinner. The latter can expect mercy, but the former by his actions of habitual, deliberate, willful sin proves he is an impenitent sinner who asks not and therefore receives not of God's forgiveness.

What...another anti-Secured Salvation?

Not anti-security, I'm anti-FALSE security which is what the OSAS License to Sin offers: a License to escape the same punishment for doing the exact same thing for which the Unlicensed will be punished.

Two hunters stand in a blind before a game warden - the Unlicensed is fined, while the Licensed goes free.
Two anglers stand in a river before a game warden - the Unlicensed is fined while the Licensed goes free.
Two drivers stand on the shoulder before a cop - the Unlicensed is fined while the Licensed goes free.

Two sinners stand before God - the Unlicensed goes to hell but the Licensed goes free. Sorry, not Biblical.

 

[Taken]

True...however I'm talking about the OSAS believer who trusts in his License to Sin, not in the Divine Amnesia with which God forgives the truly repentant sinner. The latter can expect mercy, but the former by his actions of habitual, deliberate, willful sin proves he is an impenitent sinner who asks not and therefore receives not of God's forgiveness.
Not anti-security, I'm anti-FALSE security which is what the OSAS License to Sin offers: a License to escape the same punishment for doing the exact same thing for which the Unlicensed will be punished.

... the OSAS believer who trusts in his License to Sin by his actions of habitual, deliberate, willful sin proves he is an impenitent sinner who asks not and therefore receives not of God's forgiveness.

Do not know what you mean.
* Who is saying....they ARE “OSAS” SAVED, and CONTINUE to Sin?
* What IS the habitual, deliberate, willful Sin...THE SIN they say they CONTINUE to commit?
* Who is saying...THEY HAVE “a license” TO continually Sin?
* WHAT is this “supposed license” ?

 

[Taken]

This is speaking of the repentant sinner when he first believes the gospel. This sinners’ past trespasses are no longer imputed to him anymore.

This person Believes AND Repents And His PAST TRESPASSES are Forgiven?

Trespasses against WHOM?
And What about His SIN against God? Is that not forgiven?

I don’t teach that saints should confess their sins. This was already done when you first believed and got born again.
But any new sins will have severe consequences without remedy.

This person is a saint...
repented For Having HAD DISBELIEF IN the Lord God...
confessed belief IN the Lord God...
became Converted, (crucified body, soul saved, spirit quickened)
called a saint (IN Christ, WITH the Lord God)

** THIS Converted saint Person.....CAN NOW SIN?
...Like what SINS are you talking about...Examples?

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

^ That is NOT a Converted, Saved, saint person...
^ That IS a person who has RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE...
not forgiveness, not s saved soul, not quickened born again spirit, not the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Behold]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

You've now posted that the born again do not sin, yet you also posted that "if we sin willfully".
So, you are a confused mess, theologically.
I have tried to help you.
See, i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
THat's on you, Michiah-Imla

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

^ That is NOT a Converted, Saved, saint person...

Yes it is!

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You've now posted that the born again do not sin, yet you also posted that "if we sin willfully".

The inspired writer of “Hebrews” said that!

So, you are a confused mess, theologically.

Is the inspired writer “a confused mess” as well smarty pants?

Learn to discern what the scriptures are teaching and let go of the sectarian stuff.

Sin has no more dominion over a believer (Romans 6:14) so if he sins it’s a willful action (Hebrews 10:26) mocking God (Galatians 6:7) and treading over Christ (Hebrews 10:29)!

 

[Behold]

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The inspired writer of “Hebrews” said that!

You are the confused mess.

In one post of yours you posted where John said you can't sin.
The next post you posted the only Hebrews verse you've ever read.... = you can willfully sin.,

Listen double minded deceiver.

It can't be both.

Pick one when you understand what you've shown us about your Theology.

 

[Behold]

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“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

Heretics always totally obsess on trying to prove they can go to hell.
You find this warped thinking on every Christian forum, worldwide.


So..As i have explained to you, over 5x Michiah-Imla,.... If you read Acts 28, you find that Paul is again preaching to the same Hebrews, and they are the same you find in Hebrews 10.. and they WILL NOT HEAR THE GOSPEL... as they wont hear it in Hebrews 10.

verse 10:26 is the key to understanding that this is only talking to and about the unsaved, unbelievers.

It says if you sin willfully. "after you have received the knowledge of the Truth".

Its does not say... after you are a born again Christian.

Listen..

When i preach to an UNBELIEVER i am giving them the Knowledge of the Truth...... that JESUS IS Their Savior, and they need forgiveness of their sin.

So, they have RECEIVED the Truth that Sanctifies. = "THE KNOWLEDGE" of it.
I JUST TOLD THEM. As Paul told those Christ Rejecting HEBREWS.
If they willfully will not have it, will not hear it, they are "crucifying Christ Afresh".

What is that? That is "Christ Rejection"....

Here is the verse that explains what that is all about... John 3:36

""He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him""""

 

[Michiah-Imla]

In one post of yours you posted where John said you can't sin.

The next post you posted the only Hebrews verse you've ever read.... = you can willfully sin.,

It can't be both.

Yet both are scripture that I posted, not my own words.

I already explained to you how both scriptures (that contradict only in your narrow mind) marry.

But you are not interested in letting go of you sectarian theological bias.

So be it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

As i have explained to you, over 5x.... If you read Acts 28, you find that Paul is again preaching to the same Hebrews

And I refuted you over x5!!!

Those being addressed in Hebrews 10:26-29 are BELIEVERS!!!

The Jews who didn’t believe in Acts 28 are UNBELIEVERS!!!

It says if you sin willfully. "after you have received the knowledge of the Truth".

Its does not say... after you are a born again Christian.

FOR THE LOVE OF SANITY!!

It says THERE WERE SANCTIFIED BY THE BLOOD!!! THEY WERE BORN AGAIN!!

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)