Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Dropship]

Russia is right to oppress perverts, wrong in their methods. Ukraine is right to defend itself against a diabolic horde. If they didn't, Ukraine would be annihilated..

Help me understand something- Crimea voted to become part of Russia in 2014 because they didn't want to remain part of Ukraine, why was that?



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And the Donbas region wanted to leave Ukraine too, why was that?
Why did Ukraine then invade Donbas?


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[Illuminator]

Help me understand something- Crimea voted to become part of Russia in 2014 because they didn't want to remain part of Ukraine, why was that?

The KGB were successful in making you think they didn't want to remain part of Ukraine. Lots of Ukrainians have Russian roots and have been speaking Russian for centuries, and with a strong sense of cultural identity of who they are and where they came from. Ask a Russian speaking Ukrainian if they are Russian and what do you think would be the response? That's one reason this war is so absurd. If a Russian solder objects to senseless slaughtering of civilians and relatives, he goes to jail for disobeying orders. If he talks to the press he's put on a hit list. And you trust the same people who set up the Crimean vote??? Here is a history of the Ukrainian flag:

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[Brakelite]

@Illuminator @BreadOfLife and numerous others.
A concerning trend in science over the last 5 or so years, maybe more, is the worst development since the trial of Galileo and friends. That trend, particularly in the media and several left wing governments (such as in NZ where Jacinda Adern literally proclaimed her socialist government as the only source of truth), has become now the status quo. And not only in science and the media, (particularly in relation to climate change and coronavirus issues) I see it making a more common appearance on this forum, a few posts I above being prime examples, where ridicule has taken the place of refutation.
Oppose the status quo opinions on woke politics, climate change, and the insane responses worldwide to the Corona virus issue, and you open yourself up to all manner of ridicule, abuse, scoffing, and mocking. This despite the fact that one may be a highly qualified scientist, but one who sees things somewhat differently to the accepted propaganda. Yet science was built on debate, sometimes vociferous argument, and a healthy sense of scepticism, demanding sound reasoning and evidence, trial and error, before making conclusions. And even then, all matters were never settled. Unlike today, where we are continually bombarded with so called "experts" informing us that the science is settled. That is not science.
And the now common habit of ridiculing other members of this forum for having differing views on spiritual subjects, some subjects which have been under a cloud of controversy for 2000 years, is not Christian any more than demanding that government is the only source of truth, is science. The Vatican, for all your bluster, and claims of intellectual superiority over others, is NOT the only source of truth. God can, and has done so in the past, used donkeys to reveal truth, and He can use rocks if He so chooses. He does not have to limit Himself to your narrow dogmatic paradigm of alleged infallibility... Particularly when so many of those allegedly infallible prelates in the past got it so terribly wrong in so many matters having disastrous results for not only your own church, but for humanity in general. We need discussion. Open intelligent and transparent discussion. The posts above contribute nothing to the search for understanding and truth. I believe we can do better. I believe the subjects under discussion deserve better.

 

[Wrangler]

The twentieth century was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the sweet Christ on earth‌.

? Now the RCC equate the Pope as being Christ on Earth! Such blasphemy!

 

[Taken]

@Brakelite ~

Everything God Created and Made...
Began Good, Was Intended For Good, AND God LOVES.

The conundrum...
God LOVES His manKIND creations.
God DESIRES His manKIND creations TO reciprocate and LOVE Him.

IS it a TRUE LOVE...IF LOVE IS the ONLY OPTION? Uh no.
IF LOVE IS the ONLY OPTION...manKIND would have No individual Will, choice, election.

God EXPRESSLY reveals, His LOVE, IS Goodness.
Everything God reveals, Reflects His LOVE, His Goodness.
The conundrum...
Everything God reveals, THAT IS NOT received, used, FOR Goodness...
Becomes, by default, IN OPPOSITION OF Goodness.

Earth, (dry land), Water, (streams, seas), Sun, Moon, Stars, Plants, Animals, Gold, Silver, Ores, Minerals, Calculating, Medicines, Discovery, Uses, (Sciences)... etc. ALL created by God, ALL intended FOR Good. ALL taught to USE for Good.

By the flip side opposition...the very same things can be USED, for EVIL and WICKEDNESS.

Anciently, Historically...we are privy to the knowledge, of small communities, nations, peoples, managing their lives by, through, of Gods Good Provisions......AND GREEDY men sitting in Power positions, overtaking, stealing, forcing, killing, oppressing men...in their OWN Desires to “play God” and RULE over Everything and Everyone.

Currently, WE ARE in this day, OBSERVING, a (Roman) Historical Repeat Desire Of ONE Governing POWER, to RULE OVER, the WHOLE World.

The ancient historically “TACTIC” of:
* Sitting HEAD kings, emperors, etc. (Puppet),
* BIG armies (Sons at Large, expendable body’s)
* Wealthy BARON (Behind the scenes Puppet Masters)
....all still exist...with a WHOLE other Host of TACTICS..

Poison pharma, Propaganda, Junk science, False promises, Theft, Cheating, Lying, Murder, Fear mongering...on and on.

Fact is: the ONLY ones NOT on the Human “expendable” LIST, IS:
The SMALL handful of Puppet Masters.

Fact is: the ONLY ones WHO “are” ON Gods Saving Grace List;
ARE: any men IN Christ.
ARE: any Faithful to God ISRAEL (people, tribesmen).

AND YES...agree, From the Standing view-point, of men IN Christ, IS not mysterious, IS easy to quickly ascertain WHO is NOT, and Being string Controlled by a puppet master.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Help me understand something- Crimea voted to become part of Russia in 2014 because they didn't want to remain part of Ukraine, why was that?

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And the Donbas region wanted to leave Ukraine too, why was that?
Why did Ukraine then invade Donbas?

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Voting “corruption” on a large scale recently Observed in the US...and “supposedly” a new phenomena...
IS nothing new. Cheat Voting, has occurred Historically and Modernly.

The Phenomena is NOT the Vote Cheating, but rather the Vote Cheating IS being openly promoted as a BADGE of PRIDE!

Russia, (as the whole present name), historically has expanded, claimed desolate lands, claimed occupied lands, Annexation, etc. Historically Russia has granted territorial Nations, (but kept influence in some respects), and throughout Leadership changes, has attempted, (and succeeded in some instances), to reclaim previously granted territorial Nations.

It’s akin to the eastern seaboard of the present US, declaring independence from Great Britain...and Great Britain at first, ignoring the declaration, and saying with Military power, oh no you won’t...
War ensued. Lives were lost. And the matter settled. The Declaration Acknowledge, and Standing.
Under subsequent Leadership Great Britain Could have Re-Opened, the claim via Great Britain to Re-Taken the present day US Eastern Seaboard...and as we SEE, the happening Between Russian & Ukraine...
Would be the same Case, Between the UK and US.....with that little issue of the WIDE Expansive Atlantic Ocean! (That Russia does not have that issue to contend with).

 

[Dropship]

..Here is a history of the Ukrainian flag:

Yes it's a beautiful flag representing the sky and the wheatfields..:)
Incidentally Putin and the Russian army are looking very bad because their invasion of Ukraine has been a military disaster, very sloppy and badly planned.
And I think most of the decent Russian soldiers didn't want to invade, so full credit to them.

 

[Dropship]

Voting “corruption” on a large scale recently Observed in the US...and “supposedly” a new phenomena...IS nothing new. Cheat Voting, has occurred Historically and Modernly...

But the Crimean people seem quite happy with being part of Russia..:)

 

[Taken]

But the Crimean people seem quite happy with being part of Russia..:)

It’s a mix, like anywhere. Sometimes it’s an advantage, sometimes a disadvantage, and depends on who is on which end of the stick, changes from day to day, who agrees with whom.
One day you can agree with your own governing authorities and the next day swear they are satan’s possessed Foot-soldiers.

 

[Illuminator]

But the Crimean people seem quite happy with being part of Russia..:)

Then who made Crimea such a beautiful place to visit? The Russians? The whole world sees the annexation as illegal, do you?

 

[Illuminator]

? Now the RCC equate the Pope as being Christ on Earth! Such blasphemy!

You throw a rock and then hide your hand.

Debate: The Anti-Catholic “Pope as God” Argument [1-1-99]
*
Popes Claimed to be God? / Pope as Antichrist (vs. Calvin #23) [6-30-09]
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What Year Did Popes Become Antichrist? (vs. John Calvin) [3-11-10]
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Pope St. Pius V Claimed to be God (Say Anti-Catholics) [2-11-11]
Did a Bishop Say Pope St. John Paul II was God? [2-11-11]

“Pope is God”? Similar Rhetoric from Luther & Bullinger [2-24-11]

If you are unwilling to honestly examine a defense of your gross misrepresentation, I will not waste my time.

 

[Wrangler]

If you are unwilling to honestly examine a defense of your gross misrepresentation

The twentieth century was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the sweet Christ on earth‌.

You were saying something about gross misrepresentation?

 

[Phoneman777]

"We hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty." - Pope Leo XIII

How people can be so gullible as to believe the teachings of Roman Catholicism like this is beyond me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

As suspected even common sense eluded you.
The Point was Spiritual Understanding according to God, not the Greeks!



LOL, your wishful thinking has once again, failed you.

Living in complete denial of the pain truth of Matt. 16:18 only bring you more confusion.

This confusion is painfully-evident in the creation of the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering man-made factions that have sprouted since the 16th century.

THANK GOD that cooler, more educated minds understand and can more fully explain the text of this verse than an angry, ignorant anti-Catholic.

Peter is the “Rock” of Matt. 16:18 – just as Abraham is the “Rock” of Isaiah 51:1-2 and Jesus is the “Rock” of 1 Cor. 10:4 and Eph. 2:20 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Didn't say everybody is a liar, only those who are not faithful to the word of God, as He has taught me!!! Once a heretic will always be a heretic that delights to wrest in God's word.



You mean "Good Luck" yes? Secret......that term is NOT in my vocabulary. Every good gift and perfect gift is from above.... James 1:17. Lol

To God Be The Glory

No – YOU R problem, as is the case with MOST anti-Catholics is that you are guilty of spiritual pride.

Doesn’t matter HOW many linguistic experts prove you wrong – THEY are ALL wrong because YOUR being wrong us “unthinkable”.

This is the SAME problem that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for (Mark 3:28–30).

 

[BreadOfLife]

As I said already, 2 Chronicles 17:27 KJV says when God blesses something (unconditionally) it's "blessed forever" and doesn't require a booster shot ever, not at Sinai, not at Calvary, not at all, ever.

Therefore, when God tells you He "blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it", He's talking about when He blessed the 7th day back in Genesis 2...in Eden...before sin entered the world when there were no spiritual shadows...all was light.

Understand? It's just silly to argue the Sabbath rest wasn't created until Exodus when God plainly tells us the 7th day is the day upon which He rested, blessed, and hallowed it.

Once again – WHY do you think God “Loved” the Sabbath?
WHY do you think God “Blessed” the Sabbath?
Because it points to CHRIST, who is LORD of the Sabbath
Mark 2:27-28
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

God made and blessed the Sabbath for MAN – just as He sent His Son to SAVE man.

You guys are STILL stuck in the SHADOW of the promise of Christ.
WE are IN Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the difference varies..

Some are prety much just like them (minus the pope)

others have a less varied version of them (less sacraments or works)

and some are complete opposite (salvation is by GRACE through faith)

 

[Illuminator]

"We hold upon this Earth the place of God almighty." - Pope Leo XIII

How people can be so gullible as to believe the teachings of Roman Catholicism like this is beyond me.

How people can be so gullible as to ignore post #211, throw another rock with no source given, and post more garbage like this is beyond me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do you have an Imprimatur stamped document attesting to this? The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification says the RCC and Protestant churches agree we are saved "by grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work..." Thought that sounds very close to what the Bible teaches, it's not at all what it teaches. We're not saved "by grace alone" - we're saved "by grace through faith" alone - colossal difference.

WRONG.

The ONLY place in ALL of Scripture where we see the term, “Faith Alone”, is in James 2:24, where it CLEARLY states:
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

The one says we're saved by grace if we believe in the "saving works" of Jesus, which refers to His meritorious good works which fill the bottomless barrel of merit, not by His blood. Incidentally, the Catholic church teaches Mary's works are more efficacious to produce merit than are Jesus' works, which I find supersonically blasphemous. I know you'll argue that's not the position of the Catholic church, yet I don't find the Catholic church censoring/excommunicating what you might characterized as "rogue" teachers.

You see, Phoney – when you vomit out LIES like this – you fall off the tracks.

I OPENLY CHALLENGE you to show me the official teaching from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that says Mary’s works are “MORE efficacious” and produce “MORE merit” than those of Christ.

So – either produce that document – or APOLOGIZE for lying.
This is how GOD deals with LIARS . . .
Rev. 21:18
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[BreadOfLife]

@Illuminator @BreadOfLife and numerous others.

A concerning trend in science over the last 5 or so years, maybe more, is the worst development since the trial of Galileo and friends. That trend, particularly in the media and several left wing governments (such as in NZ where Jacinda Adern literally proclaimed her socialist government as the only source of truth), has become now the status quo. And not only in science and the media, (particularly in relation to climate change and coronavirus issues) I see it making a more common appearance on this forum, a few posts I above being prime examples,where ridicule has taken the place of refutation.

Oppose the status quo opinions on woke politics, climate change, and the insane responses worldwide to the Corona virus issue, and you open yourself up to all manner of ridicule, abuse, scoffing, and mocking. This despite the fact that one may be a highly qualified scientist, but one who sees things somewhat differently to the accepted propaganda. Yet science was built on debate, sometimes vociferous argument, and a healthy sense of scepticism, demanding sound reasoning and evidence, trial and error, before making conclusions. And even then, all matters were never settled. Unlike today, where we are continually bombarded with so called "experts" informing us that the science is settled. That is not science.

And the now common habit of ridiculing other members of this forum for having differing views on spiritual subjects, some subjects which have been under a cloud of controversy for 2000 years, is not Christian any more than demanding that government is the only source of truth, is science. The Vatican, for all your bluster, and claims of intellectual superiority over others, is NOT the only source of truth. God can, and has done so in the past, used donkeys to reveal truth, and He can use rocks if He so chooses. He does not have to limit Himself to your narrow dogmatic paradigm of alleged infallibility... Particularly when so many of those allegedly infallible prelates in the pastgot it so terribly wrong in so many matters having disastrous results for not only your own church, but for humanity in general. We need discussion. Open intelligent and transparent discussion. The posts above contribute nothing to the search for understanding and truth. I believe we can do better. I believe the subjects under discussion deserve better.

That was quite a diatribe.

As for your objections to MY posts – I am ONLY here to stamp out LIES.
If you have a problem with ME – then you need to tell your fellow anti-Catholic posters to stop lying and to keep it HONEST.

I don’t care how much you hate the Catholic Church – but then you guys perpetuate these filthy lies about what we believe and teach or what we practice – then you deserve everything I post that exposes you.

For the record – I would RATHER discuss these matters charitably and peacefully – but this CANNOT happen as long as this dishonesty continues.