Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Raccoon1010]

Well I have to say, while I dislike the arguing, I am learning a little about the history of the Protestant and Catholic churches.

 

[Taken]

Why can't we bury the hatchet and agree that "this rock" refers to both Peter and Jesus??? Why be a slave to conflict???

Where there is disagreement, disagreement exists.

God IS the ROCK Creator, Maker, Head, Foundation of ALL things.
Men ENJOINED with The ROCK, are NOT The ROCK, but rather acceptable to The ROCK, little stones enjoined WITH The ROCK.

Exalting the “enjoined” to the Position of The ROCK, IS the disagreement.

The created man IS NOT God.
God IS NOT a created man.

Expressing, exalting, implying, inferring, a man is equal WITH God, with or without intent is disturbing and disagreeable to some.

Deut 32:
[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deut 32:
[31] For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

Article; (catholic.com)
Title of Article;
Peter is the Rock upon which the (Catholic, my emphasis) Church is Founded.

How do you propose to “bury the hatchet” on such a Paramount Different Basic Belief?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Your opinion above is cute.
HOWEVER, I have some eminently-qualified PROTESTANT linguistic scholarship on the matter - and they ALL disagree with you . . .

Protestant Scholars on Matt. 16:16-19

You make clear you heavily rely on Philosophies of Catholic Scholars;
Your own Catholic Church teaches For Catholics to heavily rely on Philosophies of Catholic Scholars.

Then you (a Catholic) list multiply Protestant Scholars;

Why?

Scripture itself gives a forewarning to BEWARE of mens ability to spoil with vain deceit Through philosophies and traditions of men OF the world, rather than Christ.

Col 2:
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Phoneman777]

Why can't we bury the hatchet and agree that "this rock" refers to both Peter and Jesus?

Because "Peter" ("petros") means "a small pebble", while "Rock" ("Petra") means "giant stone of immense proportion". Making "Peter" equal to "Rock" is like making Taco Bell grade beef (which is one step above dog food) equal to filet mignon.

Peter is not the "Rock" upon which the church is built - it is Peter's confession aka "this Rock" which is "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" upon which it's built.

 

[Philip James]

Perhaps the conflict is over ...

Sufficient FOR WHAT?

To have eternal life!

You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf.

But you do not want to come to me to have life.

...

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

...

Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me."

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Pax et Bonum

 

[Taken]

I remember as if yesterday, telling the local priest that I had just received Jesus into my life and been saved. That was 45 years ago. He looked like he'd swallowed a sour grapefruit, didn't know what to say and turned away without a word. I wonder if any Catholic truly understands what it means to be born again, seeing their reliance is so heavily in favor of their infant baptism and Church membership.

I think there is a huge difference of “spiritual understanding”, between
Catholics and Protestants.....AS WELL...
A huge difference of “spiritual understanding” between and among;
Catholics and Catholics; AND Protestants and Protestants.

And THAT ^^^, is what I believe Scripture WARNED of when...
It says;

Col 2:
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

All the different Churches, (Catholic & Protestant) with their “doctrines, rules, requirements, traditions”....
Seriously overwhelming and convoluted with terms and rituals, way beyond what Christ taught.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Philip James]

Why don't ask you Jesus when you get to heaven where that criminal is who was crucified next to Jesus? He did not participate in communion. You will get to meet him and maybe have communion together.

Dear Ronald,

Perhaps I shall!

The Church is bound by Jesus not Jesus by the Church. He can bring to the eternal Feast whomsoever He wishes,

But why wait? You can participate now!

You too! Are invited to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[Taken]

To have eternal life!

You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf.

But you do not want to come to me to have life.

...

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

...

Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me."

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Pax et Bonum

Okay. No one is saying a BOOK of Scripture gives a person Eternal Life.

The Bible Alone, IS sufficient to LEARN HOW to obtain Eternal Life.

No, I do not search the scriptures in belief the scriptures give Eternal Life.

However I do Believe the Scriptures Alone are sufficient TEACH HOW TO obtain Eternal Life and do Believe the Scriptures Alone are sufficient TO Verify what IS taught out from the mouths of a man.

Jesus’ FLESH, IS the Word of God. Eat it up, that one may be filled with the True Word of God.
Jesus’ pure BLOOD, IS shed for the Forgiveness of Men. Trust His Blood is sufficient for Forgiveness, Because the Fact is:
The Life of all earthly men IS their own “impure” Blood.
The Life (Blood) of all earthly men SHALL DIE, God requires it.
A mans own Life’s impure BLOOD, is not sufficient to give to God to Receive Forgiveness.
A man ACCEPTING Jesus’ PURE BLOOD, is Expressly sufficient FOR that man, to Receive Forgiveness.....Forgiveness FOR all the days that man lived......NOT Believing IN the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Dear Ronald,

Perhaps I shall!

The Church is bound by Jesus not Jesus by the Church. He can bring to the eternal Feast whomsoever He wishes,

But why wait? You can participate now!

You too! Are invited to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

Curious of your perspective...

BOL...also a Catholic, has stated, He received the Baptism Holy Spirit (unbeknownst to him), when he was water Baptized, at the request of his parents and baptism performed by a priest.

And thereafter, BOL is sketchy about ... being, having, receiving Salvation of his soul.

And thereafter BOL further claims...continual sin, he and others as well commit...and continual asking for forgiveness of sins committed is his taught protocol.

As yourself a Catholic, Are you in agreement with such perspectives?

Thanks,
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cassandra]

Rev. 1:13 – Jesus is clothed in heaven with a long robe and golden girdle like the Old Testament priests who offered animal sacrifices. See Exodus 28:4.

Yes He is our High Priest, who only had to be sacrificed ONCE
,Heb10:"
then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11" And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins."

No more need for the earthly priesthood. Cannot take away sins.

12 "But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."

 

[BreadOfLife]

As I proclaimed, ALL Priests, Bishops, Pastors, scholars err, both Catholic and Protestant. So you thought by using Protestants scholars, you would gain headway ... "I'll get him by referencing Protestants scholars!" I will use scripture only to refute this.

All through scripture, Jesus is referred to as the stone, the rock of our salvation. Mose, Isaiah, David spoke of the Messiah, the Lord as the rock.

“Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.” Isaiah 28:16

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.” Psalm 118:22

“And he said: ‘The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
The God of my strength, in whom I will trust;
My shield and the horn of my salvation,
My stronghold and my refuge;
My Savior, You save me from violence.’” 2 Samuel 22:2-3

“For I proclaim the name of the Lord:
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.” Deut. 32:3-4

Paul explains,

“Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,” Eph. 2:19-20

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.” 1 Cor.10:4

We believe in Christ, and He is our foundation, our rock! There is salvation in no other name, Jesus

“ He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock.” Luke 6:48

Peter himself clarifies Jesus is the rock, the living stone. It can be no other person, it is a spiritual building.

“ Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. 1 Peter 2:4-8

This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12

Jesus was referring to Himself:
"When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, (identifying him) and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16: 13-18

He started out with the question, they identified Him as the Christ, the Son of God and that on this rock (on this premise that He is the Christ, the Son of God), Jesus said, I will build My Church. The Father revealed this truth to them, as the Holy Spirit does now. It is a spiritual Church, not made by any man.

Amd, as I showed you in my LAST post - ABRAHAM is also called the "Rock" (Isa. 51:1-2) and so is PETER) Matt. 16:18). In case you didn't know - that's what "Peter" means. Hiss actual name was "Simon" bar Johnah.

Jesus is NOT the only "Rock" of Scripture - He's just the most IMPORTANT RoCk.
The holy city that comes out of Heaveb in Rev. 21 is built on WHAT? TWELVE foundations with the names of the TWELVE Apostles. That's TWELVE slabs of Rock.
1 Pst/ 2:5 says that ALL Christians are "living stones".

Jesus and His Apostles spoke Aramaic - not Greek.
What Jesus actually ssaid was: "And I say to you, yoiu are KEPHA and on this KEPHA, I will build my church . . ."

This is why Paul refers to him as "Cephas" in his letters, which is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, "KEpha", whoich means "ROCK".

Mayve you should actually stop and READ some of that Protestant scholarship I laid on you . . .

 

[Philip James]

Okay. No one is saying a BOOK of Scripture gives a person Eternal Life.

Hello Taken,

Are they not?

No, I do not search the scriptures in belief the scriptures give Eternal Life.

Jesus’ FLESH, IS the Word of God. Eat it up, that one may be filled with the True Word of God.

As Jesus said that those who eat His flesh and drink His blood have eternal life, these comments of yours seem contradictory, but i do not want to put words in your mouth so can you please clarify?

Pax et Bonum

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife,

Read my lips.... I say it again you are in ERROR!

First of all, let us make clear, that all these so called theologians or whoever you trust in ARE NOT INSPIRED!!! Let God be true and all men LIARS!

FYI, John 1:42 can be trusted as the word of God. Did you know that when God changes the name of a person, it means something??? For instance, God changed the name of Abram to Abraham and by interpretation means "the father of many nations.

Likewise, when Peter was brought by Simon, his brother which said, "We have found the Messias, which is interpreted, the Christ.

The very next verse when Jesus saw Peter (Simon), He said, "You are Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, "A stone."

There are many, many passages like the above in the Bible. Now if you rather believe these writers than God, you are free to do so of course, but to your peril!

To God Be The Glory

I get it.
ALL of those Protestant scholars are "LIARS" - but YOU and @Ronald David Bruno are NOT??
So, of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that mat disagree with you - YOU guys are correct - and everybody else is a "LIAR".

Goo lucK trying to sellTHAT to Jesus at yoyur judgement . . .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Dear Ronald,

Perhaps I shall!

The Church is bound by Jesus not Jesus by the Church. He can bring to the eternal Feast whomsoever He wishes,

But why wait? You can participate now!

You too! Are invited to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

Why thank you for the invitation, but I have already been invited ... been written in the Book! I have oil for my lamp too. See ya.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Amd, as I showed you in my LAST post - ABRAHAM is also called the "Rock" (Isa. 51:1-2) and so is PETER) Matt. 16:18). In case you didn't know - that's what "Peter" means. Hiss actual name was "Simon" bar Johnah.

Jesus is NOT the only "Rock" of Scripture - He's just the most IMPORTANT RoCk.
The holy city that comes out of Heaveb in Rev. 21 is built on WHAT? TWELVE foundations with the names of the TWELVE Apostles. That's TWELVE slabs of Rock.
1 Pst/ 2:5 says that ALL Christians are "living stones".

Jesus and His Apostles spoke Aramaic - not Greek.
What Jesus actually ssaid was: "And I say to you, yoiu are KEPHA and on this KEPHA, I will build my church . . ."

This is why Paul refers to him as "Cephas" in his letters, which is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, "KEpha", whoich means "ROCK".

Mayve you should actually stop and READ some of that Protestant scholarship I laid on you . . .

Well, at this time I would have say that I choose not to rock around the clock anymore. It's a futile argument you know! God Bless.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I get it.
ALL of those Protestant scholars are "LIARS" - but YOU and @Ronald David Bruno are NOT??
So, of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that mat disagree with you - YOU guys are correct - and everybody else is a "LIAR".

Goo lucK trying to sellTHAT to Jesus at yoyur judgement . . .

A liar is someone who knows the truth and purposely hides it, distorts it or makes up an entirely different story. A person, even a group of scholars who are in agreement can be wrong. It doesn't mean they are liars..
Post #130 was practically 85 % scripture. The Bible identifies Jesus as the Rock. Scripture supports and is tested by scripture not commentary of traditions of men. It just depends on how you interpret that scripture.

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken,

As Jesus said that those who eat His flesh and drink His blood have eternal life, these comments of yours seem contradictory, but i do not want to put words in your mouth so can you please clarify?

Pax et Bonum

Gods Preparation and Gift Sent into the World;

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


Jesus’ Body—-> Word, Shape, Take, Bread —->Eat
Jesus’ Blood—> Holy, Forgiveness, Receive, Wine —->Drink

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

A liar is someone who knows the truth and purposely hides it, distorts it or makes up an entirely different story. A person, even a group of scholars who are in agreement can be wrong. It doesn't mean they are liars..
Post #130 was practically 85 % scripture. The Bible identifies Jesus as the Rock. Scripture supports and is tested by scripture not commentary of traditions of men. It just depends on how you interpret that scripture.

Agree the Lord God....IS....the Rock.
The big picture IS for men to become “LIKE”...the Rock.
Becoming “LIKE” the Rock, even called a rock, IS NOT one BECOMING, The Rock.

Men do NOT Become the Creator.
The Creator does NOT become the Created.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

1st, truth is not subject to majority rule.

2nd, proof the Catholic take on the rock upon which Jesus builds his church is seen in the fact that the religion is NOT called Peterinity.

Says the guy that virtually EVERY respected libuist DISAGREES with.

 

[Dropship]

Ukraine is a predominately Catholic country. Next to Poland, it is the second most devout country in the world. Putin and his hordes fire missiles seeking to destroy it. You fire missiles of words seeking to destroy our faith..

Nah mate, I'm not a Protestant, I'm non-denominational and am therefore strictly neutral and can discuss all religions and criticise them if I think they need straightening out..:)
As for Ukraine, they're not all sweetness and light as our western media would have us believe, for example I hear Ukraine is tolerant of LGBT perverts, is that right?
And Ukrainian jets blew the legs off this woman in the Donbas several years ago-