The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

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No anger towards anyone here. Just preaching the truth of what the Word says.
But believers can be angry at every false way, though (See: Psalms 119:104).

 

[farouk]

Yes and sometimes we can be so blind.
Like @BloodBought 1953 showed me his very witty sense of humour which I like.

Are we AFRAID to be real here ?
Surely we are NOT all as negative and angry as we write. If we are, I'll pray but it's good not to engage with these sorts.

@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d I love Psalm 27.1, about the light that the Lord brings.......

 

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@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d I love Psalm 27.1, about the light that the Lord brings.......

Psalms 27:1 is in view of not fearing anyone but God.
There are plenty of verses that talk about the fear of God or the fear of the Lord being a good thing. But in the OSAS or Belief Alone-ism camp, they do not think fear is fear (When it just so happens to be talking about the fear of God).

 

[farouk]

Psalms 27:1 is in view of not fearing anyone but God.
There are plenty of verses that talk about the fear of God or the fear of the Lord being a good thing. But in the OSAS or Belief Alone-ism camp, they do not think fear is fear (When it just so happens to be talking about the fear of God).

I don't think we are going to agree.

 

[Behold]

Oh, and Jesus did not say that the born again will never perish. .

Yes He does.
So, that is now 3 times you have denied Christ's words.

"Jesus said that all that believe in Him, shall never perish, and that HE gives unto them eternal life"

Its only the born again who are the true believers.

 

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Ecclesiastes 12:13
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

 

[Behold]

Right, which contradicts your how to stop sinning point made in post #756.

Is you dont understand something i post, that isn't a "contradiction".

 

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Yes He does.
So, that is now 3 times you have denied Christ's words.

"Jesus said that all that believe in Him, shall never perish, and that HE gives unto them eternal life"

Its only the born again who are the true believers.

Believing in Jesus is believing in Him as your Lord. For Jesus says His mother, brother, and sister are the ones who does the will of His father (Matthew 12:50). In other words: To be a part of the family of God is to do what He says.

 

[Behold]

According to you: Born again (to be converted) means one is forever saved.

Being born again, creates the believer to exist as "One with God".
That's as eternal as it gets.

 

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Is you dont understand something i post, that isn't a "contradiction".

No, you said we are sinners (present tense) and then you said we can stop sinning at another point.
That’s a contradiction.

 

[Behold]

The crown of righteousness is a part of life (i.e. eternal life).

The crown of righteousness is a reward.
He'll receive it at the Judgement seat of Christ.
All believers will find rewards, at the Judgment seat of Christ.
His is a specific one, and to get that one, you have to do exactly what He did.
Paul advises the believers to do this... Paul says..>"be tho a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".

 

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Being born again, creates the believer to exist as "One with God".
That's as eternal as it gets.

Eternal life is not a super power or magical wish granted to you by a genie. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ. For Jesus alone has immorality (1 Timothy 6:16). This is why you need to abide in Christ in order to have life (1 John 5:12). The way you can have an assurance that you know Jesus is if you find that you are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). For the person who says they know the Lord and they don’t keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).

 

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The crown of righteousness is a reward.
He'll receive it at the Judgement seat of Christ.
All believers will find rewards, at the Judgment seat of Christ.
His is a specific one, and to get that one, you have to do exactly what He did.
Paul advises the believers to do this... Paul says..>"be tho a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".

The whole loss of rewards because of sin (but not salvation) teaching is solely a Protestant invention and it is not found in the Bible.
I know. You think 1 Corinthians 3 says that, but it doesn’t. Paul is using the parable of speaking of how HE will be saved through the fire on account of his work (the Corinthians) being burned up like wood and hay (in the Lake of Fire) on account that they justified the sins of strife and envy.

 

[Behold]

Sin keeps one out of the kingdom.

Only one sin keeps a person out of the KOG.

1.) Christ Rejection.

You die having never been born again (Christ Rejection) and you are judged DAMNED.
Eternal Damnation is not based on your behavior on earth, its ONLY based on this. John 3:36

 

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“And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” .

"well doing" is Discipleship.
Its the deeds you do.

 

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For to not trust what Jesus said or taught, means one is not really trusting or believing in Jesus.

And Jesus "taught" this..>"All that believe in me, i give unto you/them eternal life, and you shall never perish".

So, you have denied this at least 3 times in 3 or more posts..., while now writing another post about trusting in Christ as believing what He said.

 

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Ecclesiastes 12:13
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

The New Covenant states that "Christ is the end of the Law".

The NT Believer's DUTY is to "work out your salvation", and that means to learn how to exist in it by revelation knowledge that is to understand what it means to become a "new Creation in Christ".

 

[Behold]

Believing in Jesus is believing in Him as your Lord. For Jesus says His mother, brother, and sister are the ones who does the will of His father (Matthew 12:50). In other words: To be a part of the family of God is to do what He says.

Discipleship is what you are talking about.

Salvation is not Discipleship.

Also, Jesus is LORD of ALL, ....period. and """"EVERY Tongue shall confess this, and every KNEE shall bow to the Lordship of Jesus.""""
Not just the born again.

 

[Behold]

No, you said we are sinners (present tense) and then you said we can stop sinning at another point.
That’s a contradiction.

You didnt understand what i wrote.

Let me explain it..
AS SINNERS< we come to Christ. as "all have sinned".
There is no righteousness in us.

What God does, is redeem a SINNER......He "Justifies the UNGODLY"......by giving them His Righteousness.
They, we, you, never have any righteousness of our own.
Its only because God gives us "the gift of Righteousness" that believers attain His.

Salvation, is God making the believer's born again SPIRIT, "the righteousness of God in Christ".
This is to be : born again.

 

[Behold]

The whole loss of rewards because of sin (but not salvation) teaching is solely a Protestant invention and it is not found in the Bible.

Paul never teaches that He is "saved by his work".
If he taught that then he would be denying the Cross of Christ and the Grace of God.
Paul is not a Legalist or a fool.

Paul teaches about the Judgment Seat of Christ in a few places in the NT, including 2 Corinthians 5.
The believers will meet Jesus there and be judged ....evaluated by Christ, regarding what the born again have done "in His body".
Jesus will evaluate every work a child of God has ever performed for God/Christ, ...
The evaluation is not based on the work. Its based on the MOTIVE.. The HEART MOTIVE that the believer had that caused them to do the good work.