Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

[Michiah-Imla]

Modern day Pharisees who believe they are deserving! It turns my stomach!

Come to the place where sin turns your stomach and you will stop being under its dominion (Romans 6:14).

Because “saved” sinners definitely turn Christ’s stomach:

“So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What? Once you are converted (which is not AND, rather a conversion includes born again)..........you WHAT? EARN the fulfillment of your salvation ...
IN...enduring to the END...END OF WHAT?

Why do you react as if you completely ignored the scripture references I provided?

Come back with something coherent that includes scripture please.

Thank you in advance!

 

[Charlie24]

This is unbiblical, for the scripture says:

“Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise partook of the same…” (Hebrews 2:14)

“For we do not have a high priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted just as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

And the saying, “yet without sin”, signifies that sin was possible.



I know I can.

Because the new man that I have put on can:

“…put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” (Ephesians 4:24)

It seems that you have been sold a gospel that has an imaginary new man, not a real one.

It seems to me you don't know who you are! And you certainly don't understand the virgin birth or you wouldn't speak such nonsense.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It seems to me you don't know who you are! And you certainly don't understand the virgin birth or you wouldn't speak such nonsense.

Another scripturless rant…

Prove your doctrine out of the Holy Bible.

Thanks!

 

[Charlie24]

Another scripturless rant…

Prove your doctrine out of the Holy Bible.

Thanks!

What is there to prove? Christ was not born of the seed of man, hence the virgin birth!

He was flesh and blood just as we are, but not born of man with the fallen status as we are!

 

[robert derrick]

Who? @robert derrick, repeatedly in his posts.

Fair enough.

I say no man, while sinning, can be a born son of God, and not a child of the devil. No man, while sinning with the devil against God, is born of God.

What do you say.

 

[robert derrick]

NO, I have stated several times on these boards that I disagree with my Brothers and Sisters on OSAS! But I don't beat them to death while I disagree!

In one area of defense for the OSAS, Paul plainly said in reference to Grace not being a license to sin,

"what, shall we continue to sin that Grace may abound?"

You think that Grace is a license to sin for the OSAS believers. For some it is, they who are reprobates. But not those who know that sin is what nailed our Lord to that Cross.

You are pointing the finger at the wrong folks!

No man needs a license to sin, but men just do it.

You are a sinner. Correct?

You are a sinner of the devil? Correct?

When anyone is sinning with the devil, they are a child of the devil, correct?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What is there to prove? Christ was not born of the seed of man, hence the virgin birth!

I am not denying the virgin birth, nor was I making this a point of debate. But regarding your claim that Christ was not a seed of man:

“…the fathers… of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came” (Romans 9:5)

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel” (2 Timothy 2:8)

God can do anything. Even make a seed of man without an actual man.

He was flesh and blood just as we are, but not born of man with the fallen status as we are!

I was not debating anything about Christ being in a “fallen” status. I was merely pointing out the scripture that implied that Christ was capable of sin (Hebrews 4:15).

 

[robert derrick]

Why do you react as if you completely ignored the scripture references I provided?

Come back with something coherent that includes scripture please.

Thank you in advance!

I like this. I am training myself to no longer argue with OSAS proselytes, who care nothing for what is written on paper of Scripture, but only their own minds.

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

A heretic is not just someone we have a current dispute with, but is someone who plainly cares nothing for what is written, and so will ignore it, corrupt it, and change it to fit their own vain imaginations.

It is every bit as foolish to bother with such heretics, as it would be for a mathematician trying to correct someone declaring 2 + 2 = 5, because they say so.

In these last days of OSAS, they have plainly declared that no ink on paper matters to them anymore.

(P.s. if you mistakenly said ignore rather than ignorant, then it is a divine faux paux. They are not ignorant of Scripture, but only ignore it.)

 

[Charlie24]

I am not denying the virgin birth, nor was I making this a point of debate. But regarding your claim that Christ was not a seed of man:

“…the fathers… of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came” (Romans 9:5)

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel” (2 Timothy 2:8)

God can do anything. Even make a seed of man without an actual man.



I was not debating anything about Christ being in a “fallen” status. I was merely pointing out the scripture that implied that Christ was capable of sin (Hebrews 4:15).

Of course it was possible for Christ to sin. "He was tempted as we are yet without sin."

You can rest assured that Satan would not have wasted his time tempting Christ if he knew it was impossible for Him to do so. Satan is not as dumb as some think he is, he is deceived not dumb to scripture. He knows more about the scripture than man will ever know in this life!

Back to our debate. Christ was the seed of David through Joseph and Mary, who both are in the lineage of David. The scripture says that He was "made of Mary."

But not actually from the seed from man (the virgin birth). He is the spiritual seed of David, born of the Spirit, but supposed by man to be of the natural seed of David.

 

[Charlie24]

No man needs a license to sin, but men just do it.

You are a sinner. Correct?

You are a sinner of the devil? Correct?

When anyone is sinning with the devil, they are a child of the devil, correct?

Every born-again believer sins at one time of another! If you think not, you are deceiving yourself.

This is why Grace is given to man for salvation, and not by his works.

Man can backslide into sin, "the sin that so easily besets us" as Hebrews says. If born-again man continues in that sin, then comes the chastening of the Lord. Heb. 12:6-8

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

rd, did you notice "every son?" Ulnless you be a bastard (an illegitimate son)"

What does that tell you, rd?

 

[Taken]

But once you’re converted and born again you do earn the fulfillment of your salvation in enduring to the end:

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

Why do you react as if you completely ignored the scripture references I provided?

1) Your statement, ONCE YOU’RE CONVERTED....
2) Your scriptural Reference...SHALL BE SAVED...

Elaborate....Are you saying a Convert-ED man IS NOT SAVED?
Because your Scripture reference IS to a man WHO IS NOT SAVED.
And my question was...TO THE END...OF WHAT?

 

[Behold]

.Reader...Let me show you a classic CULT teaching.

"Jesus only paid for the sins you committed up to your day of Salvation, but not any after".

So, why is this a lie?
Its because The "one time , ONE TIME>..... ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"......is not a partial payment.
Salvation is JESUS.....and never is it anything you try to do later.
So, if are you are in this type of Cross denying CULT, that has lied to you, and said....>"you are a dirty a sinner, the day after you are saved, unless you spend all your time trying to confess your sin, trying to keep yourself saved"...... See that?
If you in one of these Cross Denying Cults, that try to put the burden of Salvation on you and your works and your behavior, then you are dealing with a group of self righteous devils who are playing you for the Devil's fool.....and thats a fact.

See, its the DEVIL, its SATAN who wants you to believe that your salvation is not based on JESUS, or the BLOOD of CHRIST or the DEATH of The Savior, but instead they want you to be deceived with the idea that YOU have the responsibility of your own Salvation.
You do not.
GOD has the responsibilty, as He is the one who PROVEDED Your SALVATiON on THE CROSS, as a GIFT, and its not TEMPORARY, once you are born again.

So, when you are told THE LIE that your salvation is only as good as your are, then you are dealing with a liar of liars.
Believe it.

Listen... Salvation is not by works, its not by confessing sin, its not by water baptism, and its not by you trying to imitate Jesus.
Salvaiton is GOD's BLood and GOD's Death, that has occurred on the CROSS, proven to be true by the RESURRECTiON OF Jesus The Lord.
And If you have reveived God's Salvation BY FAITH, then you are a part of God, joined to Christ, you are become "the righteousness of GOD in Christ" and will go to Heaven... when you die or in the Rapture.
Never let a cross rejecting DARK LIGHT, rob you of God's Amazing Grace, as they are HELL BENT to live on Forums, to try to rob you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

.Reader...Let me show you a classic CULT teaching.

"Jesus only paid for the sins you committed up to your day of Salvation, but not any after".

How bizarre how you post a biblical teaching and then proceed to label it a CULT teaching.

“…he was purged from his old sins… brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure…” (2 Peter 1:9-10)

if are you are in this type of Cross denying CULT

This biblical teaching does not deny the Cross at all. You have a counterfeit cross.
The cross in the Bible is freely given to all unconverted sinners for the purpose of getting converted. It’s ONE cross. If he fails to carry it (Matthew 16:24) by laying it aside and continuing in sin, He has trodden under foot the Son of God (Hebrews 10:29).

If you in one of these Cross Denying Cults, that try to put the burden of Salvation on you and your works and your behavior, then you are dealing with a group of self righteous devils

This is absolutely absurd! The entire New Testament puts a burden on us to live holy! This is so unbiblical that it’s quite offensive to the senses!

See, its the DEVIL, its SATAN who wants you to believe that your salvation is not based on JESUS, or the BLOOD of CHRIST or the DEATH of The Savior

Another misrepresentation. No one has said that it wasn’t based on Jesus, or the BLOOD of CHRIST or the DEATH of The Savior!

instead they want you to be deceived with the idea that YOU have the responsibility of your own Salvation.

After you have been converted you sure are responsible for your own salvation!

“…work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12)

Let me get this straight:

Saying to stop sinning is of Satan.

But saying you will keep sinning is of God?

Do you really believe this?

 

[Taken]

Fair enough.

I say no man, while sinning, can be a born son of God, and not a child of the devil. No man, while sinning with the devil against God, is born of God.

What do you say.

~ past ~

I am Forgiven my sins,
freed from sin,
bodily crucified with Jesus,
soul saved,
sanctified,
circumcised old heart,
new heart,
spirit quickened, born of Gods Seed,
occupying and perfected in Christ Jesus risen body,
Spirit of God in me,
covered,
with the Lord God forever,
can sin no more,
justified to be risen glorified,

~ present ~
on going having a mind like Christ

~ future ~
not appointed to Gods Tribulation
not appointed to Wrath
shall be raptured to clouds, 7 years,
shall return to Earth with Christ Jesus,
shall reside in Christ Jesus Kingdom, 1,000 years,
shall be called to judgement,
shall be sentenced,
shall receive consequences,
shall occupy new Earth.

Any of that apply to you?

 

[Taken]

Because “saved” sinners definitely turn Christ’s stomach:

You know not what you say.
There is no such thing as a “saved” sinner.

 

[Taken]

“So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

THAT is not a “saved” man.
THAT is a man, kind of believes, sometimes believes, sometimes does not believe........NEVER confesses....—-> against God...spit, spit.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Are you saying a Convert-ED man IS NOT SAVED?

A man who is saved from his old ignorant sins will not be saved from his new sins having enlightenment of the truth. He must continue in the faith as instructed by word of God:

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:22-23)

“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” (2 Peter 2:20-21)

 

[Charlie24]

[QUOTE="Michiah-Imla, post: 1376889, member: 9352
This biblical teaching does not deny the Cross at all. You have a counterfeit cross.
The cross in the Bible is freely given to all unconverted sinners for the purpose of getting converted. It’s ONE cross. If he fails to carry it (Matthew 16:24) by laying it aside and continuing in sin, He has trodden under foot the Son of God (Hebrews 10:29).[/QUOTE]

Behold is absolutely correct, it is a Cross denying cult!

You have denied the Grace found through the Cross by demanding that man must live up to (by works) the standard of Christ.

You are denying the Cross by denying the Grace given through the Cross, and have replaced it with works!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You know not what you say.
There is no such thing as a “saved” sinner.

I know exactly what I say.

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)